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SCXpunk
Profile Joined January 2008
United States5 Posts
November 06 2011 02:12 GMT
#621
Been a long time since I played dota so this info is actually pretty helpful. I'm really excited for dota 2 and would love to get in on the beta. Hope I win a key!
TheQuixotic
Profile Joined June 2011
36 Posts
November 06 2011 02:19 GMT
#622
I didn't learn anything from this guide (I've played DotA for years), but I read the whole thing and will link it to some friends of mine who are going to give Dota 2 a try when it comes out. Very well-written, clear, and concise guide! Thanks a lot.
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2539 Posts
November 06 2011 02:32 GMT
#623
Team Park wants Dota 2 beta keys!

Must pubstomp with Tiny~~
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
November 06 2011 02:33 GMT
#624
Great guide.

In my opinion though, i kinda dislike players who excessively stack and pull camps. Nowadays when the opponent see the creep waves disappear, it's cue for them that they can most definitely get a free tower kill especially if they have chen/enc/furion/enigma. Like most teams never ever pull creeps against Navi because doing that means instant loss of T1 tower.

Creep pulling is good but don't do it excessively because the heroes in your lane might not be able to hang on into the towers which is very important as well.
nitdkim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1264 Posts
November 06 2011 02:35 GMT
#625
Great guide Keep it up.
PM me if you want random korean images translated.
exezelot
Profile Joined May 2010
United States26 Posts
November 06 2011 02:36 GMT
#626
Man i want a key.. T_T
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
November 06 2011 02:37 GMT
#627
I enjoyed this a lot and learned some details, despite having read a couple of guides already. Big thanks!
Hope you don't mind me pointing out some parts that made me wonder, or were perhaps just minor typing mistakes.
On November 06 2011 00:09 Bumblebee wrote:
Lanes
There are three lanes on DotA and there are more than one way to go about the lanes.
I think it should be "there is".
Middle lane is sort of even between the two sides
Does that mean it's not really perfectly even? Interesting.
scenario where you have to solo lanes.
"two"
so you need to be able to recover without compromising other heroes or your job as a support (which is wards, ganking and making sure the others in your team are having the time they want to be having).
This sentence ends abruptly - "your job as a support"... is something? ("will be unsuccessful", perhaps)
If you manage to kill of Roshan three times in a single game, he will start dropping more than just the Aegis.
Does the 3 counter include both teams, or is there a separate counter for each team? ("kill off", by the way)
Rax & Towers
If you want to break down the main purpose of the game, it's all about eliminating your enemies throne.
"your enemy's Ancient Fortress" ("throne" is from Dota 1, but they changed it for Dota 2, as it's too WarCrafty )

Basics that I thought could be briefly added: Ability, Level, Experience, Last-hit, Deny (particularly Denying towers)
All in all, awesome introduction, thank you for posting it!
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
November 06 2011 02:39 GMT
#628
On November 06 2011 07:12 Bumblebee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2011 07:02 Jitsu wrote:
On November 06 2011 06:43 gullberg wrote:
On November 06 2011 06:40 Jitsu wrote:
Hey Bumble, I also had a question. I saw that you had said your favorite support was OmniKnight. My build with him differed what I was facing, but I found that, even at max level, I would leave only two points in Repel. Because my heal couldn't go through my own shield, I felt that having it's duration last 10 seconds instead of 20 could be a lot more beneficial than the 20 seconds of Repel without healing. Thoughts?

Why would you do that? The fact that you can give anyone a 20 second BKB is your best asset lategame, considering that your heal is not very useful lategame either.


I always felt that that additional 10 seconds sometimes did more harm than good.

The 2nd spell on OmniKnight is not an extra 10 seconds. It's 6, 8, 10, 12 seconds. The cooldown is 14 seconds.


Really? I thought it was 5/10/15/20. Sorry than man. Ignore that post. ^.^
Zerg Player in CheckMate Gaming - http://checkmategaming.webs.com/
kabuto202
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4 Posts
November 06 2011 02:42 GMT
#629
Will perform anatomical impossibilities for a beta key.
Match Making makes me want to punch babies.
klogg
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden800 Posts
November 06 2011 02:43 GMT
#630
On November 06 2011 09:15 Bumblebee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2011 08:54 theSAiNT wrote:
On November 06 2011 08:39 Bumblebee wrote:
Bottle autograbs the runes in DotA2 no matter if the bottle is full or not.


So if you stand near the rune the bottle just grabs it? That might not be necessarily good right? What if you're waiting to give it to someone on your team?

No you need to click on it. But it doesnt matter if the bottle is empty or full.

This seems like an unnecessary change to years old core mechanics, I don't get it..

Great introduction guide to DotA for new players.
http://fiddle.se/ - @klogglol
Tempnaut
Profile Joined November 2011
1 Post
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 03:47:23
November 06 2011 02:44 GMT
#631
I feel bad commenting just for the chance of a key, but I'm going to do it anyway.

By the way, the tier 3 tower & rax screenshot seems to be broken.
FruitGG
Profile Joined August 2010
United States73 Posts
November 06 2011 02:49 GMT
#632
#@#@#$@# i hope i get a key
Armaz
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia29 Posts
November 06 2011 02:50 GMT
#633
I want a key.
dezoth
Profile Joined October 2011
United States3 Posts
November 06 2011 03:10 GMT
#634
Very nice guide. Really enjoying all of your guides, as they help to explain stuff to someone with no experience.
Midgetman101
Profile Joined February 2011
United States825 Posts
November 06 2011 03:12 GMT
#635
Good guide should really help out a noob like me :D
~Terran For Life~
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 03:19:46
November 06 2011 03:15 GMT
#636
You're amazing and I love your blogs!! Thank you for giving out keys to TL community <3

-crosses fingers for key-
Resent
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia938 Posts
November 06 2011 03:24 GMT
#637
On November 06 2011 11:43 klogg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2011 09:15 Bumblebee wrote:
On November 06 2011 08:54 theSAiNT wrote:
On November 06 2011 08:39 Bumblebee wrote:
Bottle autograbs the runes in DotA2 no matter if the bottle is full or not.


So if you stand near the rune the bottle just grabs it? That might not be necessarily good right? What if you're waiting to give it to someone on your team?

No you need to click on it. But it doesnt matter if the bottle is empty or full.

This seems like an unnecessary change to years old core mechanics, I don't get it..

Great introduction guide to DotA for new players.

Seems like a pretty good change, having to empty your bottle was hardly an interesting mechanic...and judging by it being changed, wasn't intended either!
Exonis
Profile Joined November 2011
1 Post
November 06 2011 03:26 GMT
#638
Loving the guide! Funny how easy it is to overlook the basics

Well done!
GimbleB
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Scotland178 Posts
November 06 2011 03:38 GMT
#639
On November 06 2011 10:23 aevealon wrote:
Wow nice coverage of all the basic mechanics. Did you already talk about last hitting and denying?


Looked through his old blogs, couldn't find anything. One thing I'm curious about is, does last hitting in dota2 use the 66% exp denied against ranged and 33% denied against melee heroes?
"What's the point of it all, when you're building a wall and in front of your eyes it disappears." -pigwiththefaceofaboy
Darkchylde
Profile Joined January 2010
United States473 Posts
November 06 2011 03:43 GMT
#640
I've never played DotA, but started playing LoL last year. Great guide for a beginner like me and hopefully I can win a key too
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