• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:28
CET 17:28
KST 01:28
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Evil Geniuses - shutting down14ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier5Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League73Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.167
StarCraft 2
General
How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? REPORT: StarCraft 2: Remastered In Development Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Evil Geniuses - shutting down
Tourneys
ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands
External Content
Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 548 Shining Bright Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror
Brood War
General
Recent recommended BW games Oceanic Brood War - Join and chat! Sagi.gg Launcher Released Bot on ladder Do we even care about balance?
Tourneys
[ASL22] Grand Finals [$1250] International ShieldBattery League [BSL23] RO24 Group C Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) 50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Armies of Exigo - YesYes? General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9499 users

[DotA] Back to Basics - Page 32

Blogs > Bumblebee
Post a Reply
Prev 1 30 31 32 33 34 40 Next All
SCXpunk
Profile Joined January 2008
United States5 Posts
November 06 2011 02:12 GMT
#621
Been a long time since I played dota so this info is actually pretty helpful. I'm really excited for dota 2 and would love to get in on the beta. Hope I win a key!
TheQuixotic
Profile Joined June 2011
36 Posts
November 06 2011 02:19 GMT
#622
I didn't learn anything from this guide (I've played DotA for years), but I read the whole thing and will link it to some friends of mine who are going to give Dota 2 a try when it comes out. Very well-written, clear, and concise guide! Thanks a lot.
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2585 Posts
November 06 2011 02:32 GMT
#623
Team Park wants Dota 2 beta keys!

Must pubstomp with Tiny~~
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
November 06 2011 02:33 GMT
#624
Great guide.

In my opinion though, i kinda dislike players who excessively stack and pull camps. Nowadays when the opponent see the creep waves disappear, it's cue for them that they can most definitely get a free tower kill especially if they have chen/enc/furion/enigma. Like most teams never ever pull creeps against Navi because doing that means instant loss of T1 tower.

Creep pulling is good but don't do it excessively because the heroes in your lane might not be able to hang on into the towers which is very important as well.
nitdkim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1264 Posts
November 06 2011 02:35 GMT
#625
Great guide Keep it up.
PM me if you want random korean images translated.
exezelot
Profile Joined May 2010
United States26 Posts
November 06 2011 02:36 GMT
#626
Man i want a key.. T_T
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
November 06 2011 02:37 GMT
#627
I enjoyed this a lot and learned some details, despite having read a couple of guides already. Big thanks!
Hope you don't mind me pointing out some parts that made me wonder, or were perhaps just minor typing mistakes.
On November 06 2011 00:09 Bumblebee wrote:
Lanes
There are three lanes on DotA and there are more than one way to go about the lanes.
I think it should be "there is".
Middle lane is sort of even between the two sides
Does that mean it's not really perfectly even? Interesting.
scenario where you have to solo lanes.
"two"
so you need to be able to recover without compromising other heroes or your job as a support (which is wards, ganking and making sure the others in your team are having the time they want to be having).
This sentence ends abruptly - "your job as a support"... is something? ("will be unsuccessful", perhaps)
If you manage to kill of Roshan three times in a single game, he will start dropping more than just the Aegis.
Does the 3 counter include both teams, or is there a separate counter for each team? ("kill off", by the way)
Rax & Towers
If you want to break down the main purpose of the game, it's all about eliminating your enemies throne.
"your enemy's Ancient Fortress" ("throne" is from Dota 1, but they changed it for Dota 2, as it's too WarCrafty )

Basics that I thought could be briefly added: Ability, Level, Experience, Last-hit, Deny (particularly Denying towers)
All in all, awesome introduction, thank you for posting it!
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
November 06 2011 02:39 GMT
#628
On November 06 2011 07:12 Bumblebee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2011 07:02 Jitsu wrote:
On November 06 2011 06:43 gullberg wrote:
On November 06 2011 06:40 Jitsu wrote:
Hey Bumble, I also had a question. I saw that you had said your favorite support was OmniKnight. My build with him differed what I was facing, but I found that, even at max level, I would leave only two points in Repel. Because my heal couldn't go through my own shield, I felt that having it's duration last 10 seconds instead of 20 could be a lot more beneficial than the 20 seconds of Repel without healing. Thoughts?

Why would you do that? The fact that you can give anyone a 20 second BKB is your best asset lategame, considering that your heal is not very useful lategame either.


I always felt that that additional 10 seconds sometimes did more harm than good.

The 2nd spell on OmniKnight is not an extra 10 seconds. It's 6, 8, 10, 12 seconds. The cooldown is 14 seconds.


Really? I thought it was 5/10/15/20. Sorry than man. Ignore that post. ^.^
Zerg Player in CheckMate Gaming - http://checkmategaming.webs.com/
kabuto202
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4 Posts
November 06 2011 02:42 GMT
#629
Will perform anatomical impossibilities for a beta key.
Match Making makes me want to punch babies.
klogg
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden800 Posts
November 06 2011 02:43 GMT
#630
On November 06 2011 09:15 Bumblebee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2011 08:54 theSAiNT wrote:
On November 06 2011 08:39 Bumblebee wrote:
Bottle autograbs the runes in DotA2 no matter if the bottle is full or not.


So if you stand near the rune the bottle just grabs it? That might not be necessarily good right? What if you're waiting to give it to someone on your team?

No you need to click on it. But it doesnt matter if the bottle is empty or full.

This seems like an unnecessary change to years old core mechanics, I don't get it..

Great introduction guide to DotA for new players.
http://fiddle.se/ - @klogglol
Tempnaut
Profile Joined November 2011
1 Post
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 03:47:23
November 06 2011 02:44 GMT
#631
I feel bad commenting just for the chance of a key, but I'm going to do it anyway.

By the way, the tier 3 tower & rax screenshot seems to be broken.
FruitGG
Profile Joined August 2010
United States73 Posts
November 06 2011 02:49 GMT
#632
#@#@#$@# i hope i get a key
Armaz
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia29 Posts
November 06 2011 02:50 GMT
#633
I want a key.
dezoth
Profile Joined October 2011
United States3 Posts
November 06 2011 03:10 GMT
#634
Very nice guide. Really enjoying all of your guides, as they help to explain stuff to someone with no experience.
Midgetman101
Profile Joined February 2011
United States825 Posts
November 06 2011 03:12 GMT
#635
Good guide should really help out a noob like me :D
~Terran For Life~
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 03:19:46
November 06 2011 03:15 GMT
#636
You're amazing and I love your blogs!! Thank you for giving out keys to TL community <3

-crosses fingers for key-
Resent
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia938 Posts
November 06 2011 03:24 GMT
#637
On November 06 2011 11:43 klogg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2011 09:15 Bumblebee wrote:
On November 06 2011 08:54 theSAiNT wrote:
On November 06 2011 08:39 Bumblebee wrote:
Bottle autograbs the runes in DotA2 no matter if the bottle is full or not.


So if you stand near the rune the bottle just grabs it? That might not be necessarily good right? What if you're waiting to give it to someone on your team?

No you need to click on it. But it doesnt matter if the bottle is empty or full.

This seems like an unnecessary change to years old core mechanics, I don't get it..

Great introduction guide to DotA for new players.

Seems like a pretty good change, having to empty your bottle was hardly an interesting mechanic...and judging by it being changed, wasn't intended either!
Exonis
Profile Joined November 2011
1 Post
November 06 2011 03:26 GMT
#638
Loving the guide! Funny how easy it is to overlook the basics

Well done!
GimbleB
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Scotland178 Posts
November 06 2011 03:38 GMT
#639
On November 06 2011 10:23 aevealon wrote:
Wow nice coverage of all the basic mechanics. Did you already talk about last hitting and denying?


Looked through his old blogs, couldn't find anything. One thing I'm curious about is, does last hitting in dota2 use the 66% exp denied against ranged and 33% denied against melee heroes?
"What's the point of it all, when you're building a wall and in front of your eyes it disappears." -pigwiththefaceofaboy
Darkchylde
Profile Joined January 2010
United States473 Posts
November 06 2011 03:43 GMT
#640
I've never played DotA, but started playing LoL last year. Great guide for a beginner like me and hopefully I can win a key too
Prev 1 30 31 32 33 34 40 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Weekly
21:00
WardiTV Mondays #110
IntoTheiNu 1110
WardiTV1007
IndyStarCraft 285
Rex122
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko453
IndyStarCraft 275
Rex 122
UpATreeSC 48
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 3389
Horang2 774
EffOrt 726
BeSt 704
Shuttle 678
Mini 481
Soma 358
Hyuk 313
Larva 277
Snow 247
[ Show more ]
actioN 204
ggaemo 182
Dewaltoss 133
ZerO 111
Soulkey 102
Zeus 89
Mind 81
Sharp 66
Mong 61
Barracks 49
Shinee 39
Terrorterran 35
JYJ 29
Hm[arnc] 25
Trap 25
Aegong 23
ToSsGirL 22
Bishop 19
Shine 19
Sacsri 15
Killer 15
Movie 13
Sexy 12
sorry 11
yabsab 9
Dota 2
Gorgc12919
qojqva2311
syndereN440
BananaSlamJamma201
Fuzer 28
Counter-Strike
byalli553
dupreeh538
edward29
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor168
Trikslyr121
Other Games
singsing2090
Liquid`RaSZi1556
hiko1113
Beastyqt611
Mlord356
FrodaN351
Hui .167
XaKoH 149
Liquid`VortiX146
RotterdaM103
QueenE38
ZerO(Twitch)9
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL40135
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 16
• Michael_bg 6
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis1991
• Jankos1893
• TFBlade279
Other Games
• Shiphtur583
Upcoming Events
IntoTheTV X SOOP
18h 32m
ByuN vs Lambo
MaxPax vs Bunny
PiGosaur Cup
1d 7h
The PondCast
1d 17h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 18h
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
SHIN vs GuMiho
Clem vs Classic
OSC
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
GSL
3 days
Epic.LAN
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Epic.LAN
4 days
Yamato Cup
5 days
Map Test Tournament
6 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #5 - GSC
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
ShieldBattery League 1
BSL Season 23
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2026-27
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.