• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:46
CEST 14:46
KST 21:46
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 1 - Final Week2[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall10HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0
Community News
Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation14$25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced6Weekly Cups (June 30 - July 6): Classic Doubles6[BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China9Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL67
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Season 1 - Final Week Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation TL Team Map Contest #4: Winners Weekly Cups (June 30 - July 6): Classic Doubles
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL [G] Progamer Settings ASL20 Preliminary Maps
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China [BSL20] Grand Finals - Sunday 20:00 CET CSL Xiamen International Invitational
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Positive Thoughts on Setting Up a Dual-Caliber FX
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Summer Games Done Quick 2025! Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Men Take Risks, Women Win Ga…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 655 users

Good Bye. - Page 71

Blogs > Milkis
Post a Reply
Prev 1 69 70 71 72 73 75 Next
reneg
Profile Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
October 30 2011 17:18 GMT
#1401
On October 30 2011 23:19 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 22:32 Jibba wrote:
On October 30 2011 21:23 Talin wrote:
On October 30 2011 21:21 zdfgucker wrote:
Wheat was really nice considering his esports background and how Milkies basically trashed all of it. That whole definition argument is too stupid to really discuss it, sorry. And regarding BW elitism see my first post, I edited it. BW elitism has always been annoying even for me as a BW player.


Except he DIDN'T trash all of it. You're making things up again. This did not happen.

If you're going to hate somebody, at least hate him based on what he says, not what you want him to say so that you can hate him.

Facts are not elitism.

No, his post was like the Champion's League director telling the Wimbledon director that his sport is laughable. On top of that, Milkis is quite ignorant of the other ESPORTS scenes and was ignorant of the BW scene until 2010. Wheat was involved in BW long before Milkis was.

And he knew exactly what he was getting into. He outright said he posted it on reddit instead of TL to stir the pot more. It's just another pity party with an invitation of one.

[22:16] <Milkis___> i've unleashed a nest full of wasps
[22:16] <Milkis___> :D

why did you post that in reddit and not on TL?
[22:18] <Milkis___> because reddit would be
[22:18] <Milkis___> far more amusing

Oh that's just plain pathetic then


Well. I must say, i went from someone who wished he'd man up & realized what he was doing, feeling a teensy bit bad for him, to someone who honestly doesn't care about him at all.

I'm glad he's leaving. To say things like that, where he clearly demonstrates he understands what'll happen just makes everything he said seem even more conceited.

Oh well, Esports'll keep on, keeping on
moose...indian
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 17:43:56
October 30 2011 17:24 GMT
#1402
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 17:43:45
October 30 2011 17:31 GMT
#1403
On October 31 2011 02:24 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 02:14 HawaiianPig wrote:
On October 30 2011 22:32 Jibba wrote:
On October 30 2011 21:23 Talin wrote:
On October 30 2011 21:21 zdfgucker wrote:
Wheat was really nice considering his esports background and how Milkies basically trashed all of it. That whole definition argument is too stupid to really discuss it, sorry. And regarding BW elitism see my first post, I edited it. BW elitism has always been annoying even for me as a BW player.


Except he DIDN'T trash all of it. You're making things up again. This did not happen.

If you're going to hate somebody, at least hate him based on what he says, not what you want him to say so that you can hate him.

Facts are not elitism.

No, his post was like the Champion's League director telling the Wimbledon director that his sport is laughable. On top of that, Milkis is quite ignorant of the other ESPORTS scenes and was ignorant of the BW scene until 2010. Wheat was involved in BW long before Milkis was.

And he knew exactly what he was getting into. He outright said he posted it on reddit instead of TL to stir the pot more. It's just another pity party with an invitation of one.

[22:16] <Milkis___> i've unleashed a nest full of wasps
[22:16] <Milkis___> :D

why did you post that in reddit and not on TL?
[22:18] <Milkis___> because reddit would be
[22:18] <Milkis___> far more amusing


Ehhhh those IRC lines lack context and shouldn't have been posted. You know better than most the Milkis covers up his rage at first with smilies and deflection. When we all started chastising him jokingly for "betraying brood war" a few months back he did the same thing shortly before exploding in IRC, threatening to quit and posting some drama we had to close into oblivion.

The guy is not some master troll; he's an extremely thin-skinned dude who put himself out there for the same reasons you and I contribute to TL.


For what purpose? I'm guessing you're too nice to just outright say attention and pity. How long do you give before he comes back?
Theeakoz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1114 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 17:40:41
October 30 2011 17:33 GMT
#1404
Well, we have had the pleasure of watching several amazing translators do their best. Milkis seemed like a nice guy, but honestly, and I dont like saying this but its the truth, milkis wasn't the best at what he did. We saw several MLG's where he translated and the amount of improvement he had at translating during the time span of those MLG's was not as much as it should have been. He could have worked harder.
But What I'm trying to say here is that, we brought him up, gave him much love and support, because we thought he needed when we saw him nervous on the MLG stage. from there, we didn't stop... although there were many more translators around doing a better job but getting much less attention.
We should be very careful when we just continuesly support someone because we felt bad for him once.
Please change the luck dependancy of spawning locations on rotationally symmetric maps.
lostyourpassion
Profile Joined October 2011
1 Post
October 30 2011 17:35 GMT
#1405
--- Nuked ---
Smix *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States4549 Posts
October 30 2011 17:36 GMT
#1406
Sigh, this is just really unfortunate. All controversy aside no one can deny that Milkis was a really valuable member of this community who significantly bridged the gap between us/koreans - everyone who says he's "replaceable" is kidding themselves.

I guess there's nothing more to be said that hasn't been said - I wish you the best.
TranslatorBe an Optimist Prime, Not a Negatron // twitter @smixity
HawaiianPig
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada5155 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 19:55:09
October 30 2011 17:43 GMT
#1407
AdministratorNot actually Hawaiian.
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 17:52:19
October 30 2011 17:52 GMT
#1408
On October 31 2011 02:43 HawaiianPig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 02:24 Jibba wrote:
On October 31 2011 02:14 HawaiianPig wrote:
On October 30 2011 22:32 Jibba wrote:
On October 30 2011 21:23 Talin wrote:
On October 30 2011 21:21 zdfgucker wrote:
Wheat was really nice considering his esports background and how Milkies basically trashed all of it. That whole definition argument is too stupid to really discuss it, sorry. And regarding BW elitism see my first post, I edited it. BW elitism has always been annoying even for me as a BW player.


Except he DIDN'T trash all of it. You're making things up again. This did not happen.

If you're going to hate somebody, at least hate him based on what he says, not what you want him to say so that you can hate him.

Facts are not elitism.

No, his post was like the Champion's League director telling the Wimbledon director that his sport is laughable. On top of that, Milkis is quite ignorant of the other ESPORTS scenes and was ignorant of the BW scene until 2010. Wheat was involved in BW long before Milkis was.

And he knew exactly what he was getting into. He outright said he posted it on reddit instead of TL to stir the pot more. It's just another pity party with an invitation of one.

[22:16] <Milkis___> i've unleashed a nest full of wasps
[22:16] <Milkis___> :D

why did you post that in reddit and not on TL?
[22:18] <Milkis___> because reddit would be
[22:18] <Milkis___> far more amusing


Ehhhh those IRC lines lack context and shouldn't have been posted. You know better than most the Milkis covers up his rage at first with smilies and deflection. When we all started chastising him jokingly for "betraying brood war" a few months back he did the same thing shortly before exploding in IRC, threatening to quit and posting some drama we had to close into oblivion.

The guy is not some master troll; he's an extremely thin-skinned dude who put himself out there for the same reasons you and I contribute to TL.
There isn't much other context besides that, and none that'll make it seem better. He said the last part was sarcasm, earlier today, but I don't believe him. He knows exactly what reddit and the SC2 community can and will do, he's seen it and he's talked about it before. As a former moderator himself, he had to have known what would happen on an unmoderated forum, especially after what's happened to other people in the community.

I think it is a master troll to some extent, or at least a game. The first two or three times something similar happened, I was sympathetic and tried to help him through it. But this keeps happening and I do think it's about attention and praise. If you're genuinely just tired, you walk away quietly. He wants everyone to know that he's walking away. For what purpose, I don't know.


The context comes from knowing how he's acted in these situations before. No doubt there's a want for attention; that's why he posted. But I get the sense that he's looking for nothing but positive responses as opposed to trolling for negative responses. I base this on the fact that even the smallest, even joking, negative comment gets him all emo and "tired" and whathaveyou.


But isn't that what Jibba pretty much said, that he's doing it for praise and attention? Which is pretty sad really and i fear for his self-esteem levels.

At the end of the day, i think he knew what he was letting himself in for, to what extent exactly. Who knows. But it clearly didn't go how he planned and instead of just putting his hands up and saying he is wrong or justifying his stance. He decided to walk away.

It might be a good thing for him in the long run, and it might be terrible. Hopefully during his time away he can learn and try to be happy because he's way too negative and that's not a good way to live your life regardless of what you do.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 30 2011 17:54 GMT
#1409
I'm glad Milkis did what he could while he was part of community, his blogs of his trips at MLG's were great, and I was very happy for the translations he did. However that post on reddit really irked me the wrong way.
liftlift > tsm
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 30 2011 18:07 GMT
#1410
All this because Kwark went to a tournament in London this weekend. Disaster could have been prevented! Damn you Kwark!!!
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Taku
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada2036 Posts
October 30 2011 18:30 GMT
#1411
On October 30 2011 22:32 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 21:23 Talin wrote:
On October 30 2011 21:21 zdfgucker wrote:
Wheat was really nice considering his esports background and how Milkies basically trashed all of it. That whole definition argument is too stupid to really discuss it, sorry. And regarding BW elitism see my first post, I edited it. BW elitism has always been annoying even for me as a BW player.


Except he DIDN'T trash all of it. You're making things up again. This did not happen.

If you're going to hate somebody, at least hate him based on what he says, not what you want him to say so that you can hate him.

Facts are not elitism.

No, his post was like the Champion's League director telling the Wimbledon director that his sport is laughable. On top of that, Milkis is quite ignorant of the other ESPORTS scenes and was ignorant of the BW scene until 2010. Wheat was involved in BW long before Milkis was.

And he knew exactly what he was getting into. He outright said he posted it on reddit instead of TL to stir the pot more. It's just another pity party with an invitation of one.

[22:16] <Milkis___> i've unleashed a nest full of wasps
[22:16] <Milkis___> :D

why did you post that in reddit and not on TL?
[22:18] <Milkis___> because reddit would be
[22:18] <Milkis___> far more amusing

It's because screddit's population of users is a lot more...provokable and probably much less mature than TL's imo. That and the moderation.
When SC2 came for BW, I cried. Now LoL/Dota2 comes for SC2, and I laugh. \o/
alks
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada24 Posts
October 30 2011 18:34 GMT
#1412
@Milkis: I guess good riddance, I thought your contributions were significant but you're just being immature.

Here's a tip: Type your opinion into a texteditor and let it sit for a while. Read it again and then if you're still happy with what you wrote submit it...
hai
JungHyun
Profile Joined January 2011
United States47 Posts
October 30 2011 18:41 GMT
#1413
MIlkis, are you serious? Like really, I know it can be exhausting going to a Live MLG and translating and STILL have people shit on you for it, but really? If people disagree with your opinion, let them be, who gives a fuck? Oh right, you do. You're strong enough to run around during MLG's but not strong enough to see that people disagree with your opinion, even though even you said it was elitist. There you go, you voiced an elitist opinion and now people will view you as shit, but you quit anyway. You deserve all the criticism you get now, you could have taken this whole wave to get yourself places, but nope, you take the opinions of the internet to heart like a fool.

Keep in mind that this is a really foolish decision you've made, as if you change your mind and try to get back into the scene that no one will NOT be hesitant to take you. Especially if you can't take a little flak from people that disagree with you. Do you have any idea how much shit INControL, KellyMILKIES, or Moletrap gets? Let's say you think, oh, but i'm not casting for the GSL, who cares? You were a very essential member of the community, essentially helping us bridge the gap between "foreigners and Koreans", but if you can't take some criticism or being called a "retard", maybe this is for the greater good that you quit. Think about how much INControL gets shit on but he takes it as humor and carries on, KellyMILKIES, and Moletrap too.

This is me disagreeing with you, have a great life.
'
Age is only a number.
Cyrox
Profile Joined October 2007
Sweden147 Posts
October 30 2011 19:01 GMT
#1414
God damn, this is some gay ass shit.


If you want to quit, do it.
If you like what you do, and want to continue, do it.

Who cares what some fanboy say.

Even though it's true, saying only BW is real esports is retarded.
Only SC2 isnt real esports, because that game is retarded!

Do what you want!
Peace!
theteam
Profile Joined January 2011
United States515 Posts
October 30 2011 19:15 GMT
#1415
so he basically F10 N the internet? quitting his twitter and other stuff?
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
October 30 2011 19:19 GMT
#1416
On October 31 2011 04:15 theteam wrote:
so he basically F10 N the internet? quitting his twitter and other stuff?


He deleted his Twitter, Reddit account, that blogging site account etc.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
giX
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States185 Posts
October 30 2011 19:32 GMT
#1417
don't let the haters get to you. there will always be haters when you've reached a degree of success. this is especially true on the internet because there is no face to face interaction, which allows everyone to voice their opinions as rudely as they please. try not to take any of it too personally.

that being said, there are plenty of people that appreciate what you do for Esports. it is completely understandable to be nervous when there are hundreds of thousands of people watching. Most of the people bashing you would not be able to stammer out a sentence under that kind of pressure.

stay healthy and positive man. E-sports can take a hell of a lot out of you if you let it.
twitter.com/gixDotA
Alaz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
108 Posts
October 30 2011 19:46 GMT
#1418
On October 31 2011 02:36 Smix wrote:
Sigh, this is just really unfortunate. All controversy aside no one can deny that Milkis was a really valuable member of this community who significantly bridged the gap between us/koreans - everyone who says he's "replaceable" is kidding themselves.

I guess there's nothing more to be said that hasn't been said - I wish you the best.


The good thing about this...hopefully we see more of you. Nothing against Milkis but you're much kinder on my eyes.
kagemucha
Profile Joined August 2010
United States326 Posts
October 30 2011 20:09 GMT
#1419
This thread is way too long, can someone post the link where milkis "trashed" other e-sports? Can't seem to find it.
Manimal_pro
Profile Joined June 2010
Romania991 Posts
October 30 2011 20:18 GMT
#1420
even when you have the best intentions you will receive hate, that's just how the world is.
And especially on the internet you shouldn't give a damn what some random dude on reddit thinks about you. you fell victim to the trolls and now they are rubbing their hands for making you feel bad.

btw this whole drama with i'm leaving, oh cruel world is very childish
If you like brood war, please go play brood war and stop whining about SC2
Prev 1 69 70 71 72 73 75 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 14m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Tasteless 987
IndyStarCraft 176
Lowko173
Rex 133
SC2Nice 2
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 27683
Sea 24321
Rain 7140
Bisu 3201
Jaedong 1644
Hyuk 796
Light 680
Pusan 655
firebathero 488
Mini 477
[ Show more ]
actioN 336
Stork 296
EffOrt 275
Zeus 274
Backho 157
Hyun 151
ToSsGirL 129
Soulkey 106
Snow 78
Mind 64
hero 53
Shinee 48
JYJ42
sas.Sziky 40
JulyZerg 31
Sea.KH 30
sSak 30
Aegong 29
Rush 29
Icarus 19
Sharp 19
Sacsri 15
yabsab 13
sorry 12
Noble 12
Movie 11
Free 11
ajuk12(nOOB) 11
IntoTheRainbow 10
ivOry 7
SilentControl 7
Hm[arnc] 4
Dota 2
Gorgc8482
XaKoH 462
XcaliburYe293
syndereN135
League of Legends
singsing1891
Counter-Strike
x6flipin611
flusha336
allub299
markeloff62
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor162
Other Games
tarik_tv25536
B2W.Neo1413
shahzam656
crisheroes612
DeMusliM559
Fuzer 286
Liquid`RaSZi162
RotterdaM155
Pyrionflax151
QueenE28
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick29967
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 11
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1245
League of Legends
• Nemesis3325
• Stunt546
Upcoming Events
OSC
14m
Replay Cast
11h 14m
RSL Revival
21h 14m
Classic vs Cure
FEL
1d 3h
OSC
1d 7h
RSL Revival
1d 21h
SHIN vs Clem
FEL
1d 23h
FEL
2 days
CSO Cup
2 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
2 days
Bonyth vs QiaoGege
Dewalt vs Fengzi
Hawk vs Zhanhun
Sziky vs Mihu
Mihu vs QiaoGege
Zhanhun vs Sziky
Fengzi vs Hawk
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
FEL
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3 days
Bonyth vs Dewalt
QiaoGege vs Dewalt
Hawk vs Bonyth
Sziky vs Fengzi
Mihu vs Zhanhun
QiaoGege vs Zhanhun
Fengzi vs Mihu
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-07-07
HSC XXVII
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025

Upcoming

2025 ACS Season 2: Qualifier
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSL Xiamen Invitational
CSL Xiamen Invitational: ShowMatche
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
Underdog Cup #2
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.