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TheHansBecker
Profile Joined February 2011
United States117 Posts
October 29 2011 19:08 GMT
#601
--- Nuked ---
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
October 29 2011 19:09 GMT
#602
Milkis, you have every right to choose what you want to do. If you feel like you don't want to work with the SC2 Community here, that's your choice.

It's unfortunate that it's had to turn out this way. It's unfortunate that a series of events turned out this way. It's unfortunate that sometimes a part of the community isn't how we want it to be.

Don't let this kill your love for E-Sports. If you don't want to contribute this way any more because you can't take it, then don't. I quit LR. I don't regret it. But I still love E-Sport.

Don't lose that love. Just enjoy it the way you want to. Not the way people tell you to.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
October 29 2011 19:09 GMT
#603
On October 30 2011 04:06 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 04:05 grobo wrote:
On October 30 2011 04:04 ArvickHero wrote:
lol wow BW community never treated you like that :\


To be fair, he never shat on the BW community either


He never shat on anything.


Saying the only legit eSport is BW is effectively shitting on every other gaming community out there.
We make signature, then defense it.
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
October 29 2011 19:09 GMT
#604
On October 30 2011 04:01 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 03:53 zawk9 wrote:
On October 30 2011 03:49 babylon wrote:
On October 30 2011 03:45 zawk9 wrote:
On October 30 2011 03:43 Xahhk wrote:
Milkis makes his claim that the only espot is BW, but then he takes the time to clarify what he means with several more paragraphs. He clearly means, he sees 'esport' as something that can lure people in without any prior knowledge.. people just enjoying the spectacle of it.

Isn't he just stating a fact? It's not like he's saying BW is the only competitive game that ever existed.



No. He's defining a word in a way most people don't use it and then making a statement based on that definition.

That was the entire problem. His definition of "eSports" is basically my (and a lot of other people's) definition of "spectator sport." I mean, just talking about regular ol' sports, there are a shit ton of sports out there that aren't very popular to spectate unless you're actually involved or a relative of someone who's involved. Just take something like kendo, for instance.



Exactly. Its like making a post where we define Cats as Elephants and then ending with the conclusion "so it turns out a lot of people have pet elephants." A lot of people got disproportionately offended by this though.

It's because throughout that entire post, he basically implied that every other competitive gaming scene out there is somehow not as legit. That's why people were offended. Not only that, but it seems as if he simply didn't know about any scene except Starcraft. I mean, he may not have intended to hurt other people, but when you post something as controversial as this, you have got to do your research and you've got to be delicate about it.

He should've gotten a second opinion on that post before writing it. Or at least he should've reread it twenty times before posting it and asked himself, "Could I possibly be hurting anyone here with my words?"

He easily could've just said: "BW is the best spectator sport and here is why." And he wouldn't have gotten as much backlash for it, because it's a damn good spectator sport, and I don't think anyone can argue with that.


One problem with his argument is that unlike a cat or elephant the term "e-sport" doesn't have an exact definition and it can mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people. Perhaps Milkis' view of e-sports is something that can be considered culturally significant. If that is his view his entire post wouldn't be wrong because it is true that BW is the only game to have reached that level of acceptance.

DJwheat meanwhile believes that "e-sport" is just another way to define competitive gaming, which can mean anything. Does that mean as long as a game is competitive a game is an e-sport? In my opinion it doesn't.

While Milkis' message was overly harsh and viewed as negative to a lot of people I don't believe his opinion is wrong in anyway.
kyarisan
Profile Joined May 2010
United States347 Posts
October 29 2011 19:09 GMT
#605
I obviously don't know Milkis personally but it really seems like he has some self-esteem issues. An emotionally healthy person wouldn't react this way, especially not overnight; which is unfortunate because he's a great guy, and a person that is willing and able to travel across the country and translate for tens of thousands of people is hard to come by.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
October 29 2011 19:10 GMT
#606
On October 30 2011 04:06 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 04:05 grobo wrote:
On October 30 2011 04:04 ArvickHero wrote:
lol wow BW community never treated you like that :\


To be fair, he never shat on the BW community either


He never shat on anything.

Yes he did. The fact that there are so many people out there who are offended is proof of this.

Intention means nothing when you've hurt people. It doesn't give you a clean slate, it doesn't somehow make the "offense" any less of an offense. He made an ill-informed post and is paying for it.
ArsTriclinius
Profile Joined January 2011
New Zealand1 Post
October 29 2011 19:10 GMT
#607
Someone has gotten hold of your account or you've gotten a few too many beverages in you. Sleep it off and you will remember that what people say on the internet is as about important as someone else's opinion on politics i.e. so much gas to the wind. By the way you'll never be as hot a translator as anyone female but that is something you will need to come to terms with by yourself
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
October 29 2011 19:10 GMT
#608
It's kind of hilarious how people can be. All over a single opinion.

It's kind of hilarious how people can be. All over a single opinion.

It's kind of hilarious how people can be. All over a single opinion.


This is one thing in your blog that is very true. Absolutely hilarious. Except change 'single opinion' to 'the opinion of a bunch of trolling online faggots.'
why so 진지해?
Pietro
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland103 Posts
October 29 2011 19:11 GMT
#609
This thread broke my heart </3

Milkis works hard and wants the best for our so called 'community' and yet people shit on him and his work. If what he says is true, i will miss him - but i completely agree with every single word in the original post.
Trazati
Profile Joined August 2011
52 Posts
October 29 2011 19:11 GMT
#610
Just think where Incontrol would be right now if he acted like this when a little criticism came his way.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 19:12:45
October 29 2011 19:12 GMT
#611
Way to go guys, let's kick him when he's down. This is exactly what we need.
o choro é livre
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
October 29 2011 19:13 GMT
#612
On October 30 2011 04:09 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 04:01 babylon wrote:
On October 30 2011 03:53 zawk9 wrote:
On October 30 2011 03:49 babylon wrote:
On October 30 2011 03:45 zawk9 wrote:
On October 30 2011 03:43 Xahhk wrote:
Milkis makes his claim that the only espot is BW, but then he takes the time to clarify what he means with several more paragraphs. He clearly means, he sees 'esport' as something that can lure people in without any prior knowledge.. people just enjoying the spectacle of it.

Isn't he just stating a fact? It's not like he's saying BW is the only competitive game that ever existed.



No. He's defining a word in a way most people don't use it and then making a statement based on that definition.

That was the entire problem. His definition of "eSports" is basically my (and a lot of other people's) definition of "spectator sport." I mean, just talking about regular ol' sports, there are a shit ton of sports out there that aren't very popular to spectate unless you're actually involved or a relative of someone who's involved. Just take something like kendo, for instance.



Exactly. Its like making a post where we define Cats as Elephants and then ending with the conclusion "so it turns out a lot of people have pet elephants." A lot of people got disproportionately offended by this though.

It's because throughout that entire post, he basically implied that every other competitive gaming scene out there is somehow not as legit. That's why people were offended. Not only that, but it seems as if he simply didn't know about any scene except Starcraft. I mean, he may not have intended to hurt other people, but when you post something as controversial as this, you have got to do your research and you've got to be delicate about it.

He should've gotten a second opinion on that post before writing it. Or at least he should've reread it twenty times before posting it and asked himself, "Could I possibly be hurting anyone here with my words?"

He easily could've just said: "BW is the best spectator sport and here is why." And he wouldn't have gotten as much backlash for it, because it's a damn good spectator sport, and I don't think anyone can argue with that.


One problem with his argument is that unlike a cat or elephant the term "e-sport" doesn't have an exact definition and it can mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people. Perhaps Milkis' view of e-sports is something that can be considered culturally significant. If that is his view his entire post wouldn't be wrong because it is true that BW is the only game to have reached that level of acceptance.

DJwheat meanwhile believes that "e-sport" is just another way to define competitive gaming, which can mean anything. Does that mean as long as a game is competitive a game is an e-sport? In my opinion it doesn't.

While Milkis' message was overly harsh and viewed as negative to a lot of people I don't believe his opinion is wrong in anyway.

But regardless, if you are going to say something with a vague air of authority on a very contentious topic, you are going to have to expect criticism. Isn't this the crux of the matter? It doesn't even matter if he's right or wrong. He did ask for it, and he responded to the inevitable criticisms in a really bad way. I dunno what he was thinking.
Kuni
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Austria765 Posts
October 29 2011 19:13 GMT
#613
Appreciated the work you did. Nothing else to add. The show will go on without you. But I guess this is kind of an attention-pls-thread is it? Don't fully understand that. We're not in Kindergarden anymore.
bonus vir semper tiro
spacek
Profile Joined June 2010
United States213 Posts
October 29 2011 19:13 GMT
#614
waltz on over to http://esea.net and tell them BW is the only esport

i changed my mind, don't come back
yaya
stevarius
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1394 Posts
October 29 2011 19:13 GMT
#615
On October 30 2011 04:12 Al Bundy wrote:
Way to go guys, let's kick him when he's down. This is exactly what we need.


The way he wrote his first post, I'm not sure he can take a kick while standing. He seems to suffer from a lack of spine.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Mothra
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1448 Posts
October 29 2011 19:14 GMT
#616
[–]Justice1206 2 points 1 hour ago

It's easy to shrug off comments on the internet when your identity is hidden behind a username. For Milkis, his true identity is being revealed, and thus his pride as well. To insult him online is the same as insulting him in person. Continue to hide behind your username and say how easy it is to shrug off insults that are directed to your alternate self.


Something to think about.
quirinus
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Croatia2489 Posts
October 29 2011 19:14 GMT
#617
Nooooooo!

We love you! <3 :D

You even have a fan club. Whenever you're feeling down, just take a look at it. If you're being weary of the idiots who are complaining, tell us and we'll make you feel better.

Don't listen to those few people. You do so much, I'm really grateful. Live translations, helping players, having players interact with us in one or the other way, translating korean reactions etc. and being a boss.

People that haven't been to live events (multi-day ones even more so) don't know how tiring it is, especially when you have things to do.

Cheers.
All candles lit within him, and there was purity. | First auto-promoted BW LP editor.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 19:18:08
October 29 2011 19:15 GMT
#618
On October 30 2011 04:09 grobo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 04:06 Talin wrote:
On October 30 2011 04:05 grobo wrote:
On October 30 2011 04:04 ArvickHero wrote:
lol wow BW community never treated you like that :\


To be fair, he never shat on the BW community either


He never shat on anything.


Saying the only legit eSport is BW is effectively shitting on every other gaming community out there.


He was saying very specific things about what makes e-sport a "sport". He wasn't saying "you're not an e-sport, fuck off".

Until other games pack stadiums for 10 years with players' mothers in the front row being photographed by journalists and all of that being shown on national TV, his SPECIFIC arguments in that post fucking stand and there's not a single person in the world that can rationally challenge them.

People can be hated, but facts really can't. Which is why in this case it's Milkis who's irrationally hated for it. Simple as that.

On October 30 2011 04:10 babylon wrote:
He made an ill-informed post and is paying for it.


There was nothing ill-informed about it.
Invex
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom6 Posts
October 29 2011 19:16 GMT
#619
That's a real shame dude, I personally always loved your translating and tweeting from MLG's.

Best of luck though, I'll just hope that you can overcome the haters and get back on board.
kytten
Profile Joined December 2010
United States163 Posts
October 29 2011 19:16 GMT
#620
i was so confused yesterday when i went into a thread on Reddit about Milkis playing amnesia and 90% of it was people just shitting all over Him. It really shows you how fast people will turn on you. It's kind of scary.

You do what you gotta do, M, some of us don't give a fuck about the bad shit. Good luck in the future.
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." ~Friedrich Nietzsche
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