EPTI may vehemently disagree with the recent opinions you've stated but the vitriol being thrown your way is a bit ridiculous in most cases. Beyond dealing with the hate your definition of esports brought you've written a lot recently that your passion seemed to be fading along with your health. So I wish you luck in finding happiness and good health in a career more suited to your desires and dreams.
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ladyumbra
Canada1699 Posts
I may vehemently disagree with the recent opinions you've stated but the vitriol being thrown your way is a bit ridiculous in most cases. Beyond dealing with the hate your definition of esports brought you've written a lot recently that your passion seemed to be fading along with your health. So I wish you luck in finding happiness and good health in a career more suited to your desires and dreams. | ||
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Vindicate
United States169 Posts
We both worked for the NASL the first season. We weren't paid, and we weren't major players by any means, just doing stuff like writing articles, doing reddit posts, and lugging equipment during the finals. What we both realized during that period was that the sc2 community largely consists of immature, entitled brats. The NASL had its problems, and still does. It lacked the production value of an IPL, GSL, MLG, or other major sc2 events. That said it was still possible to watch the entire thing for free, it had great players, and ran for an extended period of time.. and people complained? All we ever heard was how shitty it was, how we all did awful jobs, and how much better the sc2 community would be without it. I understand that there are great people in the community, and that a large portion of what we hear are the loud (and ignorant) people, rather the silent and appreciate type. I understand that people like Day9 and djWheat give us superb content day in and day out, at a higher quality and with more direct sc2 wisdom and fervor. They are terrific people who deserve as much love and respect as we can possibly give them, but I don't think that gives the community the right to go apeshit over every flaw in other content. The people at the NASL worked their asses off that entire time and all they got was criticism for it. This is an awful mentality to take for the expansion of a great game. We need to be constructive, not whiny and immature. The truth is that the community has little regard for anyone except their pre-designated idols. Everyone else is apparently fair game for mindless rebukes and foul language. It would be one thing if it was constructive criticism, but it's not. No one gives suggestions on how to improve, they just scream in capslock and use absurd language that angers people. The starcraft 2 community has potential, but until a massive portion of it grows up and the community as a whole turns supportive instead of being destructive/petulant little bitches, its going to be a depressing road. EDIT: I'm sorry, I didn't address Milkis' departure. Milkis, you have done great work for the scene and you deserve a lot of respect. If you aren't happy, then go do something that does bring you joy. People will support you in your new endeavor just as there are people who still support you here. Opinions differ among the majority of people and just because people may disagree with you vocally doesn't mean they should demean you as a person. I personally don't agree with you but you still did fine work. Best of luck wherever you go. | ||
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Phenny
Australia1435 Posts
You do a lot for us and I don't think we show our appreciation enough, thanks for everything you've given us, and if the second part of the above is where your decision comes from I hope you will reconsider. | ||
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Ikonn
Netherlands1958 Posts
On October 30 2011 03:34 alexhard wrote: "One of the first reasons I say that is this. [talks about how the composition of the audience is different]". I can keep going, you obviously haven't bothered actually reading the thing. Other esports have been televised, have had salaries comparable to bw, etc. The only thing that actually sets them apart is the composition of the audience, and that is what Milkis highlights in his post. Alright, point taken. the second part of your post here is bullshit though. Tell me which other 'esports' can compare to BW in Korea when it comes to salaries and being televised. | ||
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CsBiggles
Ireland16 Posts
Is it right for the community to bash everything you do? No. Is it likely to happen after you make unpopular remarks? Of course. "I never wanted to be popular nor did I want attention" If you didn't want attention, you could have left quietly and said your goodbyes to close friends and colleagues. Posting a long rant on TL screams of attention seeking. I posted something quite similar to TB during his recent controversy, it's disgusting to see community figures who claim to want only good for the community, acting like such absolute children once things go against them. tl;dr: Willing to bet he's back in less than 2 weeks. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11075 Posts
On October 30 2011 03:21 SillyPrincess wrote: what happened? Milkis writes a non-factual article on reddit bashing every non-bw pro gamer and gets called out by djWheat. Now he does the coward thing of crying and running away. Nothing special, we don't need people this weak to begin with. I always thought Milkis was weird when he started crying on a phone interview when EGAlex warned Milkis not to take the question he was going to ask personal. Yeah this is a trend. He was extremely er nationalistic about the EGAlex affair in how he presented it. His opinion was very pro-korean and he had a problem that people disagreed with his opinion. Now he posts something controversial (not necessarily something I disagree with) and people state very vocally that they disagree. The insults seem like an excuse to cover up a strong dislike for contradictory opinions. Thanks for MKP, thanks for all the BW articles. and now all the translated tweets. The rationale and execution of your decision to leave seem off. Your legacy will be appreciated. | ||
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Zahki
Australia61 Posts
It's absolutely possible to remove shit posts and shit posters. This isn't about having negative opinions or any other kind of opinions. This is about coming into this thread and literally calling Milkis a "crybaby", "drama queen" or an equivalent, which is a post Milkis should NEVER EVER have to read on TL of all places. . Can I ask why he shouldn't have to read it? It's valid criticism. In fact valid criticism is why he's rage quitting everything. Is there a reason he should be coddled and even if he posts really dumb things people should have to try and make sure he doesn't get offended and coddle him? Forums are a place where people exchange opinions, some people are going to disagree, not everyone is going to tiptoe around your feelings to make sure you don't get hurt, people are going to be frank, they're going to be direct and they're going to make posts that will sometimes be offensive. Thats life, you reply, or you ignore it and move on. You don't explode in a puff of rage and quit everything. This blog is exactly what it looks like, a cry for attention, it's fishing for people to come in and say "Oh no Milkis don't quit" and give him the validation he wants. It's not rude to call a spade a spade, he'll grow up and learn to deal with it eventually. | ||
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Deleted User 47542
1484 Posts
Just to make sure I don't look like a BW hater: I'm Korean, I followed BW for years, and I believe no other game will ever compare in terms of the amount of skill needed and the entertainment it provided. However, BW did absolutely nothing for the global scene, NOTHING at all. Foreigners had a 0% chance at winning an international event and tournaments outside of Korea were scarce. Games like CS, SC2, SF were played at a high level around the world. That is what an ESPORT is. They may not have as much sponsorship or infrastructure as BW but these are the types of game that further ESPORTS, not BroodWar. BW had unforgettable moments such as Boxer/Oov, Bisu/Savior, Flash/Jaedong, at the same time you have coL.CS in 2006, Daigo mounting the craziest comeback vs jwong, and recently MMA/MVP at Blizzcon. Difference is that one occurred in a small(but fucking awesome) country, and the others occurred on a global stage. Also why is Milkis' opinion even important? Him getting famous was a total fluke, that he himself will probably agree with. He is not a good live translator(he just doesn't seem to have the charisma for it, which he'd also agree with), but the stuff he does outside of live is great and helpful. He doesn't know anything outside of BW and SC2 and like he said, is very biased. His opinions on anything not BW related shouldn't even be considered imo. The thing he has is passion and somethings that's all you need  . This may sound harsh but I guarantee that he himself would agree with all my criticisms of him, so yeah shots fired.As DjWheat put it, this guy basically took a huge shit on everything outside of broodwar. Him getting famous was indeed a fluke, but he took the opportunity and went with it passionately which is a good thing. Although he isn't the greatest at live translation(speaking skills, looking at the camera, stage presence, confidence, etc, something that 95% of people would have trouble with), he does a shitload of work for the community outside of that. Milkis if you read this you need to have thicker skin, saying goodbye doesn't do anything for you, just work harder at what you do, improve your physical/mental strength, and prove haters wrong. Posting a thread like this is just pathetic. | ||
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
Thanks for all the past articles, I don't have any problems with them and could care less about the shitty little pricks that criticizes your work, you shouldn't either because they are irrelevant. Enjoy the thanks and ignore the haters, one day someone is gonna shit on them irl for something they put all their effort into. Gotta remember that 90% of the negative stuff is just trolling, and also don't do stuff for free unless you are enjoying it. There's no reason to not take a break and come back one day if you feel like it, but don't expect to make threads like this and not feed the trolls. | ||
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HivemindedOne
United States8 Posts
If you're serious then all I can say is "bye", and hope you regret this decision for the rest of your life. | ||
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Archaeo
United States397 Posts
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LiGhtoftheSwaRm
United States39 Posts
People say "The Toxic Starcraft 2 community" and I hate them for it. First of all, this is the internet. The internet is simply a toxic place in general due to anonymity. Second, whenever you speak very lopsidedly about a subject that many people have passionate opinions about (check djWheat) than you will undoubtedly receive not only criticism, but a fair amount of hate as well. This happens everywhere. In "real" sports internet communities the only writer that doesn't receive a certain amount of hate for his work is Joe Posnanski and that man's a genius so he doesn't count. It happens with TV shows, we even laugh at our own celebrities so for people to so callously to call the Starcraft 2 community "Toxic" because they're not afraid to get up in your face when you get up in theirs is childish. Should people be that way? No. Do we have to live on? Yea. I sadly assume you have no brothers Milkis, or if you do it is only one. I grew up with six. The things we've all said to each other in the past have been pretty terrible at times, but as you grow up you learn to let those moment strengthen not only you but your resolve and actually allow those moments to strengthen your bonds with those individuals. The internet is clearly a different animal, but the point is all these people are anonymous and the things they say mean absolutely nothing. It'd be like a fortune telling machine that only spits out bad fortunes, you don't have to listen to them. As I wrote in your fan club yesterday predicting this would happen, I think you're a nice guy, I really do.. but you both think yourself someone that doesn't deserve this and wasn't asking for any of this in the first place. No, you do deserve to have your opinions criticized and you were asking for all of this as you grew your figure in the public eye since Columbus. The real answer is how you decide to handle these criticisms and "hate." As posted by quite a few Redditors, TB has continually been trying to conquer his issue with this and finally seems to be prevailing and he's better off for it. Husky (and even TB) received hate from both the community AND it's pros. Same with many other eSports figures, and if you're saying you didn't ask for that, you did the moment you entered the public sphere of it and to think otherwise is simply naieve. I hate to see anyone "quit" anything like this, but after making such a big deal about every little terrible thing that happened to you either via Twitter, Reddit, or Teamliquid blog posts.. in your own words: "Good Riddance." | ||
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Zilir_
United Kingdom9 Posts
Seriously, Man up and stop being the bitch of esports. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
Still hope you'll come back again. | ||
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Scribble
2077 Posts
On October 30 2011 03:23 rotinegg wrote: who would when our favorite game is fading away, and the TL community is being (has already been) replaced by a bunch of immature SC2 blockheads who have no regard for the history of its predecessor Breeding further animosity between two overlapping communities by making sweeping generalizations about how shitty one community is compared to the angels of the other certainly elevates you above those 'immature blockheads.' Have fun in your glass house. Also, BW is hardly fading away. A period of decline isn't the same thing as dying. | ||
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Snorkle
United States1648 Posts
If you were really leaving you wouldn't write a blog about it so people can grovel for you to come back. Thanks for the translations I guess. | ||
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Xahhk
Canada540 Posts
Isn't he just stating a fact? It's not like he's saying BW is the only competitive game that ever existed. | ||
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
I honestly don't understand how you could expect any other reactions than the ones you got after posting that article, i'm not saying it was a bad article but you had to have known that some people were going to give you shit for it. | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On October 30 2011 03:42 Scribble wrote: Breeding further animosity between two overlapping communities by making sweeping generalizations about how shitty one community is compared to the angels of the other certainly elevates you above those 'immature blockheads.' Have fun in your glass house. Also, BW is hardly fading away. A period of decline isn't the same thing as dying. Just compare the LR threads of both games and you can see it isn't entirely inaccurate to say the SC2 community (maybe just by virtue of being large) is less mature. | ||
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zawk9
United States427 Posts
On October 30 2011 03:43 Xahhk wrote: Milkis makes his claim that the only espot is BW, but then he takes the time to clarify what he means with several more paragraphs. He clearly means, he sees 'esport' as something that can lure people in without any prior knowledge.. people just enjoying the spectacle of it. Isn't he just stating a fact? It's not like he's saying BW is the only competitive game that ever existed. No. He's defining a word in a way most people don't use it and then making a statement based on that definition. | ||
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