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intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
October 29 2011 18:25 GMT
#481
learn how to take some criticism, christ
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Rkie
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1278 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 18:27:03
October 29 2011 18:25 GMT
#482
Although it is unfortunate this came to pass, I just wanted to say one thing. I was at MLG Orlando, and saw Milkis running around, everywhere. He was always busy translating something, helping players get to where they needed to be on time, pretty much anything. From personal experience, translating even an article can be difficult because of various idioms or phrases that cannot be directly translated. Add on to that translating on the run, for several people, and always looking out for them as well as yourself has to be exhausting. I found what Milkis had to do was amazing and although no translation can ever be absolutely perfect, I think he showed everybody in the "esports" world the dedication it requires in order to make all of this something bigger and better than it ever was.

If you do end up following through with this, best of wishes towards what you decide to do with your life.

Edit: Some people disgust me.

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On October 30 2011 03:22 cDgRazoray wrote:
QQ More. GTFO. Someone give him a diaper on the way out.


Really dude?
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
October 29 2011 18:25 GMT
#483
Good luck in whatever you pursue~
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Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
October 29 2011 18:25 GMT
#484
On October 30 2011 03:23 rotinegg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 03:18 jenzebubble wrote:
On October 30 2011 03:14 Baptista wrote:
Are you pleased you little, internet fucks!? Look at what you have done to one of the most passionate people inside e-sports community! From a person I was inspired by, from a person who showed me what you can do for others, from THE ONE who brought MKP to MLG and made us all proud of what can be done, he became someone who under all this shit you have made lost his love. I don't want to live on this world anymore.
Milkis I wish there was better world in which you could be yourself. If it isn't Starcraft community for you, please do make a change. In this day I feel shame for our community.
Hope to hear from you again. Love you.


You've obviously never spoken to Milkis. He complained about almost everything he did. I don't think he's enjoyed being a part of this community for the last couple of months.

who would when our favorite game is fading away, and the TL community is being (has already been) replaced by a bunch of immature SC2 blockheads who have no regard for the history of its predecessor


Then why did he decide to get into the spotlight of the SC2 scene? He didn't have to, no one forced him. If you don't like it - that's fine. But dont do it (when you dont have to) and then later complain about how much it sucks.
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
October 29 2011 18:25 GMT
#485
I don't know much about you Milkis. But I do know one thing, you provide goddamn good and informative translations! Please don't go.... D:
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
October 29 2011 18:26 GMT
#486
On October 30 2011 01:00 Milkis wrote:
I'm Done.

It's kind of a hard decision to make, to cut it all off and just leave. But I've spent thinking about it over the night and honestly I can't think of what would ever motivate me to do anything within this sphere of "eSports" anymore.

I'll be honest. I never expected people to agree with my opinion on what makes something an eSport or not. I've been quite honest about how my opinion is elitist, and I fully expected disagreement over the definition. Of course, looking at some of the reactions did make me realize that yes, I should have been more careful about how I phrased it. I obviously didn't mean to "shit" on other games as a competitive game, but I could see why people would see it in that way.

But does all this mean that any of you have the right to call me retarded? an idiot? I couldn't care less about what you considered my opinion. What I care about is the comments that suddenly popped up. Apparently, suddenly, I'm a terrible translator. Everything is a fluke. There are suddenly no place in eSports for people like me.

You know, let me tell you this. I never wanted to do live translation to begin with. Deciding to help out at MLG Columbus took a pretty big decision because live translation was absolutely the last thing I wanted to do. And yet MLG looked like they needed someone so I jumped on board. I asked Lee if I absolutely had to and he said it was expected for me to. So I did it.

Call me "nervous" whenever I go on stage but it's more exhaustion than anything else considering I'm terrible at taking care of myself at MLGs because I always run around so much and I have trouble putting myself before other things that need to be done. One of the reasons why I decided not to go to Providence (and apparently, it was the correct decision) was because I looked at myself in a mirror during the event at Orlando and I looked pretty much dead. I look nervous? No, I'm fucking exhausted.

It's kind of shitty when people start criticizing you over shit like this. "OH HES SUCH A BAD TRANSLATOR HE IS ALWAYS SO NERVOUS". Or someone to say "My KR friend says X" or "X is better". Right.

And then comes the criticism of my written work. Suddenly, everything I do is shit. Everything I've done is absolute shit. And people start agreeing with it because you disagree with my opinion?

You want to know why I bothered doing anything for the community? Because I always thought the community deserved more. I never wanted to be popular nor did I want attention (although I guess I did enjoy it, but it's not something I ever wanted). It's the last thing I wanted. All I wanted to do was bring you guys good content, and I always just wanted the means to do so. I wanted to do a lot of nice things for the community because I was capable of doing it and seeing you guys appreciate the content was always good enough. Why else would I take on any of these extra works, or brainstorm a ton of new things I could do for the community? Sadly, none of these will come to fruition anymore but I guess it doesn't even matter.

I've never been so absolutely demotivated in my life. It's kind of hilarious how people can be. All over a single opinion. A single opinion that no one even bothered reading because everyone started putting words in my mouth and then attacking me personally. And then giving me lectures.

I'm done. I guess it's good riddance for all of you.


NO.


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NoGardE
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9 Posts
October 29 2011 18:26 GMT
#487
Please don't go, Milkis. You're awesome for the community, and the b****es over at Reddit don't seem to remember how awesome you are. Hell, you got their hero MKP to MLG Orlando, and he proceeded to kick ass.

I can't pretend to know how good your live translation, but I've never heard a player complain about your translation, and that's great in my book. You're a good man, and if you can rise above petty people crying that you don't think SC2 has risen to SC:BW's level yet, and keep up the great work you're doing, I can guarantee at least my nerd-love.
"I can beat IdrA in a real game... without real units." -HuK
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
October 29 2011 18:26 GMT
#488
Plexa inspired post?

You'll be back.
sWs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States409 Posts
October 29 2011 18:26 GMT
#489
You would think people who moonlight on the internet would have super thick skin -____-

is this really all over djWHEAT insulting him, or did something else happen?
@swsc2
pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 18:28:57
October 29 2011 18:27 GMT
#490
On October 30 2011 03:21 SillyPrincess wrote:
what happened? Milkis writes a non-factual article on reddit bashing every non-bw pro gamer and gets called out by djWheat. Now he does the coward thing of crying and running away. Nothing special, we don't need people this weak to begin with.

I always thought Milkis was weird when he almost started crying when EGAlex just asked a question.


He didn't say other esports were BS, he just told that BW was bigger than every other esports, and by his oppinion it was the only one fulfilling his conditions being an esport (meaning it gets as close to sport as possible).

Can you argue with it? Is there an other game people don't play but watch it on TV? Is there an other game where huge companies invest so much money that some players get more than 200000$ per years? Is there an other game that has or had as much crowd watching it live?

You may not agree to his conditions, but you can't disagree that bw has accomplished much more than any other game yet.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
October 29 2011 18:27 GMT
#491
yea i hope this isn't forever but just a break

i for one actually never heard anybody badmouth your performance as a live translator, mostly it was like "hey look it's milkis! cool he's doing translation for mlg now with smix and other people". i have no idea who said that you didn't do well 'cause i never saw anyone say it myself.

always appreciated your work and will appreciate any future work you might do
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alexhard
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden317 Posts
October 29 2011 18:27 GMT
#492
On October 30 2011 03:11 Ikonn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 03:09 alexhard wrote:
On October 30 2011 03:02 Woony wrote:
On October 30 2011 02:59 Talin wrote:
On October 30 2011 02:54 alexhard wrote:
On October 30 2011 02:48 Dakota wrote:
I'm pretty sure everyone that is even somewhat-famous in the e-sports scene gets the same bad criticism from the same shitty people. I know its hard, but just try to ignore them, and know that the vast majority of people in the community respect and love what you do for SC2.


The top reply on reddit is by djwheat. Is he one of the "the same shitty people" you're talking about? Because his criticism was right on the spot and, unlike the original troll post, well articulated and inoffensive.


Are we talking about this post?

I love how you are so passionate and intimate about the BW scene and what is stands for. But your ongoing attacks towards any non-BW related eSports is quite frankly fucking bullshit. You disrespect every gamer who has participated in eSports for the past 13 years.
You act as if no one else ever even cared about another game. That other gamers didn't put blood, sweat, and tears into their game of choice.
You claim that BW is the only eSport, but I think eSports is the thousands of gamers (whether they play CS, Carom 3D, BW, WC3, Street Fighter, etc) who have a level of passion for the game that transcends what's normal. The same gamers who compete on the highest tier of their level.
You just said fuck you to Justin Wong and Daigo.
You just said fuck you to Zero4 and Tox1c.
You just said fuck you to cArn and Frod.
How can you say fuck you to the legends who have put just as much of an effort into their game as someone like Flash or Jaedong?


It's pretty much a direct attack, it has nothing to do with anything Milkis wrote in his post and Milkis' post didn't imply any of that at all.

His post was straight up inflammatory and an invitation to the lynch mob to go to work.


Yes, it was somewhat inflammatory, but what do you except when you make a such a controversial post at a place that doesnt share your opinion? As I said, it's like making a post on TL about how Starcraft is inferior to Counterstrike.


But Milkis' post didn't simply say that all other games are inferior to BW (such an opinion I could actually understand). What he said was that the professionals who play any game other than BW are not actually sportsmen/women, and that those activities are not esports. Because the composition of the audience is different.


That's not actually what he said but the audience part is still a fair point


"many of these games such as Counter Strike or Quake do have a large competitive scene, to call it a "sport", that is, to give those games all the implications behind such a word is a bit too far fetched."

"Brood War is the only true eSports."

That is exactly what he said.
Cheeseburgered
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States716 Posts
October 29 2011 18:27 GMT
#493
Why?

Don't let the trolls do this to you
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PhoenixDark
Profile Joined March 2011
United States286 Posts
October 29 2011 18:27 GMT
#494
Why are people still begging him to stay? It's clear he's not coming back, and he's unwilling to defend his argument, which is built on a series of bad points. Maybe he'll join the BW scene in some capacity, since it's the only esport apparently.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=435469
Joestar
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden87 Posts
October 29 2011 18:28 GMT
#495
I never really saw anything this guy did but it feels like another fistfull of shit thrown in the BW/SC2 storm...

"It's a bizarre SC2 adventure"
Shewklad
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden482 Posts
October 29 2011 18:28 GMT
#496
So it has begun...
Bomber || Thorzain || Startale >< No gods, no masters.
Darclite
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1021 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 18:32:22
October 29 2011 18:28 GMT
#497
I remember watching some small tourney with a female caster (she was a decent caster), and here's what people said about her (It wasn't Kelly btw):
"Dumb bitches should stay out of this game"
"Get back in the kitchen"
"Get a real caster so you can make him a sandwich"
"Fucking dumb bitch but I'd fuck her"
"I hope she dies"
I said "I don't think she's that bad honestly"
Here's what people said about me:
"lol fag"
"Stop white knighting bitch"
"lol stupid virgin"
"No place in the world for bitches like you two"
"I hope you die"
"I hope your mother gets cancer you stupid virgin white knight loser"

Here's the point: a lot of people fucking suck. But they are simply idiots at their computer with nothing better to do. Everyone who does anything ever, particularly in front of large groups including the internet, deals with them. That sums up all of the excessively harsh posts. Not really a big deal.

For those who disagreed on your reddit post without being harsh (such as DjWheat), you took a pretty polarizing position on the issue of BW vs. all other games, and people inevitably disagreed with you. Hell, I think BW is the best game ever and I thought your point was a bit unfair.

But honestly, you are a respected figure who is recognized for doing something in the sc2 community, which is something I'd love to be in a few years (as well as many other people on here I'm sure), you really shouldn't be quitting over anything like this.
They're fools. You should eat them.
mAgixWTF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany103 Posts
October 29 2011 18:29 GMT
#498
On October 30 2011 03:22 Gharst wrote:
So Milkis is allowed to have an opinion because he provided some shitty translations others could have done better for the same cost?


Hes allowed to have an opinion, just because.
Toriko
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada60 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 18:31:06
October 29 2011 18:29 GMT
#499
First off, just want to say that I enjoyed all the work that Milkis provided (mainly translation work), as for me he was the communication link between foreigners and Koreans.

However, it is hard for me to sympathize with him, especially after reading such a bitter post. But let me say this, and I hope you read this Milkis: you need to grow thicker skin. You're not a kid anymore, and you should know by now that in the world, there will always be haters. Not everyone is going to tell you that you're greatest guy in the world. If you want to leave the community forever, fine go ahead, but you should have taken the high road when you posted this. You're not a victim and nobody will feel sorry for you. The more defensive you get, the more people will shit on you (e.g. INcontroL).

Trust me, if you simply disregard what the trolls/haters say, you will have a much happier life, and that applies to everything (family life, internet, professional life, school, etc). You have absolutely no control over what somebody else says/does. What you control is how YOU react to that. And this time, you blew it. Because leaving the community and deleting your twitter and reddit account means you acknowledge what the trolls say about you and you are simply running away.

Think about it though, at the end of the day, why should trolls/haters have an influence on what you do in life? You said it yourself that you do enjoy providing content for the community, isn't that motivation enough to continue doing so? How did all the supportive comments you received made you feel? think about how much us foreigners enjoyed reading you translations (especially your blog). Why should the hater comments outweigh all the love/support you receive from the community?

Anyways just my 2 cents. Felt the need to post this and hope Milkis reads this because even if he is deadset on not coming back, I won't be surprised if he reacts the same way he just did to other things in life. I just hope he changes for the better. Hope you know that I'm not attacking you with this post and I did enjoy all the content you provided us. Good luck in your future endeavours
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
October 29 2011 18:29 GMT
#500
On October 30 2011 03:23 rotinegg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 03:18 jenzebubble wrote:
On October 30 2011 03:14 Baptista wrote:
Are you pleased you little, internet fucks!? Look at what you have done to one of the most passionate people inside e-sports community! From a person I was inspired by, from a person who showed me what you can do for others, from THE ONE who brought MKP to MLG and made us all proud of what can be done, he became someone who under all this shit you have made lost his love. I don't want to live on this world anymore.
Milkis I wish there was better world in which you could be yourself. If it isn't Starcraft community for you, please do make a change. In this day I feel shame for our community.
Hope to hear from you again. Love you.


You've obviously never spoken to Milkis. He complained about almost everything he did. I don't think he's enjoyed being a part of this community for the last couple of months.

who would when our favorite game is fading away, and the TL community is being (has already been) replaced by a bunch of immature SC2 blockheads who have no regard for the history of its predecessor

Uh oh, I detect a Broodwar vs SC2 argument coming up.
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