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On October 27 2011 21:26 maggy0 wrote:
shitty blog. Protoss is the easiest race by far. Zerg requires strategic thinking and good mechanics. Zergs whine because 90% (at least for myself) of the games that they lose, it is because of some stupid timing/rush/allin and not a "real" macro game where real skills are shown.
1 star for hyprocitic opinions and double standards.
Because not taking into account the possibility of early game aggression is apparently superior play, the glorification of late game macro-management scenarios is really getting out of hand. I also like how you imply that the others race don't require so called "strategic thinking" and "good mechanics".
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On October 27 2011 21:29 Angra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 21:26 maggy0 wrote:
shitty blog. Protoss is the easiest race by far. Zerg requires strategic thinking and good mechanics. Zergs whine because 90% (at least for myself) of the games that they lose, it is because of some stupid timing/rush/allin and not a "real" macro game where real skills are shown.
1 star for hyprocitic opinions and double standards. I think you kind of proved his point lol.
Oh I play both zerg and protoss.
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On October 27 2011 21:29 Alur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 21:26 maggy0 wrote:
shitty blog. Protoss is the easiest race by far. Zerg requires strategic thinking and good mechanics. Zergs whine because 90% (at least for myself) of the games that they lose, it is because of some stupid timing/rush/allin and not a "real" macro game where real skills are shown.
1 star for hyprocitic opinions and double standards. Because not taking into account the possibility of early game aggression is apparently superior play, the glorification of late game macro-management scenarios is really getting out of hand. I also like how you imply that the others race don't require so called "strategic thinking" and "good mechanics".
They do.. They do. But not as much, because other things are more important for the other races.
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On October 27 2011 21:26 maggy0 wrote:
shitty blog. Protoss is the easiest race by far. Zerg requires strategic thinking and good mechanics. Zergs whine because 90% (at least for myself) of the games that they lose, it is because of some stupid timing/rush/allin and not a "real" macro game where real skills are shown.
1 star for hyprocitic opinions and double standards.
There's a lot of zergs like this guy who think that macro games are the only games that take skill even though zerg mechanics inherently make it much easier for zergs to take bases and max out faster.
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On October 27 2011 21:26 maggy0 wrote:
shitty blog. Protoss is the easiest race by far. Zerg requires strategic thinking and good mechanics. Zergs whine because 90% (at least for myself) of the games that they lose, it is because of some stupid timing/rush/allin and not a "real" macro game where real skills are shown.
1 star for hyprocitic opinions and double standards.
Every game is a real game no matter how you look at it, this ranges from cannon rushing to 1hour long turtle games...
Also I just wanted to throw this out here. With all the whining about balance going on, atleast in my opinion no one below Masters league has ever lost a game soley due to the state of the game balance wise. Just out of curiosity is there anyone who agrees with me, or am i just a terran fool?
I know this is a bold statement but I'm almost tempted to even say below GM as well, but this might be too bold :p
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On October 27 2011 21:44 enslaved[t] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 21:26 maggy0 wrote:
shitty blog. Protoss is the easiest race by far. Zerg requires strategic thinking and good mechanics. Zergs whine because 90% (at least for myself) of the games that they lose, it is because of some stupid timing/rush/allin and not a "real" macro game where real skills are shown.
1 star for hyprocitic opinions and double standards. Every game is a real game no matter how you look at it, this ranges from cannon rushing to 1hour long turtle games... Also I just wanted to throw this out here. With all the whining about balance going on, atleast in my opinion no one below Masters league has ever lost a game soley due to the state of the game balance wise. Just out of curiosity is there anyone who agrees with me, or am i just a terran fool? I know this is a bold statement but I'm almost tempted to even say below GM as well, but this might be too bold :p
I completely agree with you.
Even in lower masters, I only lose because I suck. That's the only reason.
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On October 27 2011 21:18 Bd.Snake wrote:
Your whining about the whiners don't you see how much of a hypocrite that makes you
And part of the reason people whine about it in the lr threads so much isnt because of the race its because of the players
Point is stop whining about whiners when that just makes you a whiny bitch.
You've got a point, problem is that there is a difference in goals.
when playing a game of starcraft, the sole goal is to win. Crying about how that win is achieved is stupid, as long as the win was achieved within the rules of the game.
However, when debating atmosphere, there is no clear goal like winning.
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I only don't like Zerg because of how much we get punished for mistakes, where Terran really don't, and Protoss have void rays (Lol jk, I only hate Terran). 4 hellions come up, roast all zerglings, roast ful mineral lines, out micro queens, do splash aoe to light, and can make you lose the game if you don't catch them ASAP. If you do, they're only down 400 minerals. Not a big deal. Zerg and Protoss have no equivalent, besides banelings (which cost gas, and morph from zerglings, and are slower, and blow up when they attack, and can't out micro things (queens and such). Protoss have no great harrass, but terran get flying healing dropships. I really don't like terran, but ZvP is one of my favorite matchups, along with ZvZ, ZvT is just a pain in the ass.
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The only thing I absolutely HATE about playing Zerg is ZvZ, that thing will make me whine to no end, it is so a random matchup, everybody seems to flood me with lings, hell from now on everytime I see another zerg I'm 6pooling him...
I never really understood all the whining about Terran or Protoss though, Zerg has been the race that has been trying to figure out stuff since the start, trying to beat the deathball and what not, now after a little more than a year Zergs are starting to wreck everything. Protoss on the other hand finds itself stuck in the situation Zerg was some months ago, trying to figure out ways to beat 1/1/1 etc etc...
I can't really tell for Terran though, it doesn't feel like if there's a strat that you could do against them that will bring positive results 100% of the time if executed correctly.
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On October 27 2011 21:26 maggy0 wrote:
shitty blog. Protoss is the easiest race by far. Zerg requires strategic thinking and good mechanics. Zergs whine because 90% (at least for myself) of the games that they lose, it is because of some stupid timing/rush/allin and not a "real" macro game where real skills are shown.
1 star for hyprocitic opinions and double standards.
Such a hypocrite saying he finds his race easy. How DARE HE not struggle like other Zerg players!
Truly he is an abomination, he enjoys playing zerg and doesn't whine about "inbalance" truly he is intentionally hurting the zerg race by not endlessly QQing in the hope that Bliz will nerf everyone else. Instead he is having fun with a game. What a traitor, lynch him IMO.
<3 Palmar, I agree, it feels like every Zerg just enjoys complaining, even when they are doing fine. Its refreshing to hear that not every zerg thinks banelings should be free and marines should cost 200/200 and be built out of a starport. ^_^
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I switched from zerg to protoss and found out that all the 'herp derp protoss 1a move' crap that certain zerg players like to spout is complete BS. It's not easy to always have to switch screens when you want to build units in the middle of a fight and worry about whether your forward pylons are going to get found and sniped. Just getting your nexus down at your natural can be a huge trial if the zerg has good speedling micro, as well as trying to defend all the different parts of your bases against mass mutas and roach ling all-ins can be a bitch to stop. And that's only PvZ- trying to stop a marine/tank/banshee all-in in PvT is one of the most difficult things in the game.
I wish every player would be forced to play random so that they could actually appreciate the difficulties of other races.
Terran is the race I've played the least but I've gained respect for terran players when I realized what a slugfest TvT is, with so much positional play- I pretty much couldn't stand it. Probably the most challenging mirror match up in terms of complexity.
So yeah, if you're one of those zerg players who have never played toss and think it's easy, educate yourself- give it a fair trial over a season and see if you still think it's that easy when you come back.
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On October 27 2011 21:56 Ko1tz wrote:
The only thing I absolutely HATE about playing Zerg is ZvZ, that thing will make me whine to no end, it is so a random matchup, everybody seems to flood me with lings, hell from now on everytime I see another zerg I'm 6pooling him...
While I agree that the matchup is boring and not as enjoyable as the other matchups I really dont understand this impression that zvz is random. I would say the very opposite as it is very easy to scout early and mid game with overlords. And it often doesn't go beyond that.  It could be that the game is determined by micro rather than macro in a larger extent than zvp or zvt, but that doesn't make it random, only depending on different skills.
I would even go as far as saying that if you are bad at zvz compared to zvt and zvp, then you are probably better at many-base macro-mechanics, multitasking and mind-guessing (or meta-game if you want). If you are better at zvz then you are probably better at reacting to (solid) scouting information and micro.
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You mean you blame yourself when you lose and not your race?
This so does not seem like the internet.
Hey, you are welcome to join me in barbecuing Zerglings and making sad Zealot cry.
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On October 27 2011 21:56 Ko1tz wrote:
The only thing I absolutely HATE about playing Zerg is ZvZ, that thing will make me whine to no end, it is so a random matchup, everybody seems to flood me with lings, hell from now on everytime I see another zerg I'm 6pooling him...
I never really understood all the whining about Terran or Protoss though, Zerg has been the race that has been trying to figure out stuff since the start, trying to beat the deathball and what not, now after a little more than a year Zergs are starting to wreck everything. Protoss on the other hand finds itself stuck in the situation Zerg was some months ago, trying to figure out ways to beat 1/1/1 etc etc...
I can't really tell for Terran though, it doesn't feel like if there's a strat that you could do against them that will bring positive results 100% of the time if executed correctly.
I've never understood why people say ZvZ is random, it's probably the least random matchup. It's unforgiving yes, but not random.
Because Zergies don't wall-in, you can scout as much as you want in the matchup, and as long as you open 14gas/14pool (replace 14 with 13 on tiny maps) you're not going to lose straight up due to a build order loss.
If they have a lot of lings, why don't you build a lot of lings too? Or banelings?
You don't even need to see his lingball to know he has a lot of lings, just keep an overlord behind his mineral line(s) and count the drones, that's how you know how much larvae is being spent on units. And it's not like scouting a lingball is hard. You do it with lings.
And ling/bling wars aren't random, they're unforgiving, stressful and ridiculously hard, but they're equally so for both players and thus definitely not random. Never does skill shine more through than in such an intense situation.
You shouldn't hatch-first on the ladder. That's a calculated risk pros take because the chances of their opponent 10 pool spine crawler rushing or 7 pooling or something similar are significantly lower than on the ladder. But you can't be greedy.
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give lings a research ability to jump over force fields (and only forcefields) automagically(nice word) 
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On October 27 2011 22:26 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 21:56 Ko1tz wrote:
The only thing I absolutely HATE about playing Zerg is ZvZ, that thing will make me whine to no end, it is so a random matchup, everybody seems to flood me with lings, hell from now on everytime I see another zerg I'm 6pooling him...
I never really understood all the whining about Terran or Protoss though, Zerg has been the race that has been trying to figure out stuff since the start, trying to beat the deathball and what not, now after a little more than a year Zergs are starting to wreck everything. Protoss on the other hand finds itself stuck in the situation Zerg was some months ago, trying to figure out ways to beat 1/1/1 etc etc...
I can't really tell for Terran though, it doesn't feel like if there's a strat that you could do against them that will bring positive results 100% of the time if executed correctly.
I've never understood why people say ZvZ is random, it's probably the least random matchup. It's unforgiving yes, but not random. Because Zergies don't wall-in, you can scout as much as you want in the matchup, and as long as you open 14gas/14pool (replace 14 with 13 on tiny maps) you're not going to lose straight up due to a build order loss. If they have a lot of lings, why don't you build a lot of lings too? Or banelings? You don't even need to see his lingball to know he has a lot of lings, just keep an overlord behind his mineral line(s) and count the drones, that's how you know how much larvae is being spent on units. And it's not like scouting a lingball is hard. You do it with lings. And ling/bling wars aren't random, they're unforgiving, stressful and ridiculously hard, but they're equally so for both players and thus definitely not random. Never does skill shine more through than in such an intense situation. You shouldn't hatch-first on the ladder. That's a calculated risk pros take because the chances of their opponent 10 pool spine crawler rushing or 7 pooling or something similar are significantly lower than on the ladder. But you can't be greedy.
Recently I've been doing that, going full-ling/baneling myself but I will ALWAYS have less than the other guy, but hell this is mostly my mistake and me not spending properly my larva.
What I dislike is mostly the early game for zvz, if I somehow manage to get past the 8min mark I actually enjoy the Roach wars.
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On October 27 2011 21:56 Frostfire wrote:
I only don't like Zerg because of how much we get punished for mistakes, where Terran really don't, and Protoss have void rays (Lol jk, I only hate Terran). 4 hellions come up, roast all zerglings, roast ful mineral lines, out micro queens, do splash aoe to light, and can make you lose the game if you don't catch them ASAP. If you do, they're only down 400 minerals. Not a big deal. Zerg and Protoss have no equivalent, besides banelings (which cost gas, and morph from zerglings, and are slower, and blow up when they attack, and can't out micro things (queens and such). Protoss have no great harrass, but terran get flying healing dropships. I really don't like terran, but ZvP is one of my favorite matchups, along with ZvZ, ZvT is just a pain in the ass.
I have no issues with hellions in ZvT unless the opponent massively outplays me. Generally all it takes is to scout if they go gas after rax with your initial drone, and if they do start considering roaches. Send a ling up their ramp later on to see if they've swapped a factory onto the reactor. If this is the case, you can either all-in them with roaches and win, or make like 6 roaches and be perfectly safe while you saturate two bases, just don't overdo the roaches, you're only 150 and 1 drone behind if you make a roach warren, it's probably worth it to make it blindly these days, not like they're bad against marine/tank. Definitely not optimal, but not bad.
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On October 27 2011 22:31 Ko1tz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 22:26 Palmar wrote:On October 27 2011 21:56 Ko1tz wrote:
The only thing I absolutely HATE about playing Zerg is ZvZ, that thing will make me whine to no end, it is so a random matchup, everybody seems to flood me with lings, hell from now on everytime I see another zerg I'm 6pooling him...
I never really understood all the whining about Terran or Protoss though, Zerg has been the race that has been trying to figure out stuff since the start, trying to beat the deathball and what not, now after a little more than a year Zergs are starting to wreck everything. Protoss on the other hand finds itself stuck in the situation Zerg was some months ago, trying to figure out ways to beat 1/1/1 etc etc...
I can't really tell for Terran though, it doesn't feel like if there's a strat that you could do against them that will bring positive results 100% of the time if executed correctly.
I've never understood why people say ZvZ is random, it's probably the least random matchup. It's unforgiving yes, but not random. Because Zergies don't wall-in, you can scout as much as you want in the matchup, and as long as you open 14gas/14pool (replace 14 with 13 on tiny maps) you're not going to lose straight up due to a build order loss. If they have a lot of lings, why don't you build a lot of lings too? Or banelings? You don't even need to see his lingball to know he has a lot of lings, just keep an overlord behind his mineral line(s) and count the drones, that's how you know how much larvae is being spent on units. And it's not like scouting a lingball is hard. You do it with lings. And ling/bling wars aren't random, they're unforgiving, stressful and ridiculously hard, but they're equally so for both players and thus definitely not random. Never does skill shine more through than in such an intense situation. You shouldn't hatch-first on the ladder. That's a calculated risk pros take because the chances of their opponent 10 pool spine crawler rushing or 7 pooling or something similar are significantly lower than on the ladder. But you can't be greedy. Recently I've been doing that, going full-ling/baneling myself but I will ALWAYS have less than the other guy, but hell this is mostly my mistake and me not spending properly larva. What I dislike is mostly the early game for zvz, if I somehow manage to get past the 8min mark I actually enjoy the Roach wars.
I just love the flow of the matchup, you have to constantly scout and you're never safe. More than in any other matchup you have to keep your units active to constantly threaten him, you want to bluff him into making units while you're making drones, and yet keep him scared enough to stay home.
Such a fine line, but counting drones is invaluable. You should never be behind in drones and never more than 5-10 drones ahead.
If you're 15 drones ahead, you die now. If you're behind, you all-in him or die. If you're 5 drones ahead, you can hold and win.
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you can't play SC2 if you are afraid of whiners, every race has its whiners/BM players. Instead of looking to the whiners, look to the people who don't whine. Also this blog is a whine in disguise. You are whining about whining.
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Let me get this straight.
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Zerg was right to complain about balance a while back, you disagree? Ok.
Let's bring back range 3 for roach, let's bring back speed reapers, let's bring back close positions, let's bring back jungle Basin, let's bring back Delta Quadrant, let's bring back the old infestor, let's bring back Steppes of War, let's rollback all the nerfs to Terran.
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I have been reading many post on TL in the past 15 months, I have access to TL while working. You are exaggerating. I dare to say that zerg users have been quite silent about balance past 3 months. True, ghosts are still capable to raise the blood of zergies sometimes.
Also, if SCII is a sport, and in my opinion it is, emotions are a part of it. Overheating is a part of having emotions, not typing on TL.net while you are overheating is common sense, but common sense isn't always there while you are overheating.
Your blog is a monstrosity, I see myself as a part of the zerg community and reading your blog almost makes me feel anger towards you. I don't understand why it is even allowed by the mods that somebody just shits over an entire community like you do.
Ranting without proof, without knowledge, without a brain. You mastered it.
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