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So, without fail, every time I read through the forums I want to switch races.
I played protoss in brood war, I thought they were awesome.
I decided to try Zerg in SC2, because I figured they'd be awesome too. The race itself rocks, the only thing that really sucks is the community around Zerg.
Let me put it this way, there is a certain subsection of the Zerg community that consists of some of the most annoying whining assholes that I have ever seen. This eclipses any other random balance whining I've ever witnessed. The Zergs here make me so ashamed of playing this race of losers that think they're losing because of imbalance when they're just terrible.
I think personally that Zerg is the easiest race to play at lower levels. 1 building to macro from and you can be very effective with minimal amount of micro. I play people on daily basis who are better than me, but I can win them anyway because of maphack (overlords/creep) and just a-moving my units on them.
I'm at the point now that I'm so disgusted with the Zerg community that I want to switch to something where I can enjoy the company of people who aren't crying losers. I wish Zergies would always be like "fuck yeah, we're awesome, let's do this". But I've never seen Zerg players loving their race the way I do.
Even when protoss were stuck in their deepest slump, there was more Zerg whining than protoss, and those protoss players were dealing with much more difficulties than Zergies ever did.
I think Zerg is awesome, borderline OP, and I'm really happy I'm playing Zerg. Until I meet other Zerg players whose tears disgust me.
I think I might try to switch to Terran or Protoss.
Do you think I'd be welcome in the land of tanks or templars?
 
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Tanks and templars tend to shoot first when a hydralisk enter their land.
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lol I don't think your problem would be fixed by switching races. It'd just be said in your direction and you'd probably hear it more often.
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On October 27 2011 19:43 Itsmedudeman wrote:
lol I don't think your problem would be fixed by switching races. It'd just be said in your direction and you'd probably hear it more often.
That would fix my problem!
I have no problem with protoss complaining zerg is OP. I'd just go "And what about it... bitch!".
What I hate is people of my race complaining our race is not awesome, when it is awesome. I'm ashamed of being part of a race that whenever a Zerg loses in a tournament, the LR thread explodes with balance whines, when really, the Zerg just got outplayed.
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Totally agree with you dude. Zerg from the start cuz it's so easy and good.
Don't need to micro cuz the Hivemind (improved ai) does it for me. :D
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Quite literally could not agree more.
Join Terran - mm all the way (men and metal.....obv!)
Or just play random and stop reading LR reports whenever there's a zerg playing...
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I think you have a good point, there are a lot of whiners out there for Zerg, but that's because when you play Zerg one little mistake could cost you the game. 'Opps, just flew my mutas over a thor' or 'Opps, just lost 20 lings to a single baneling'. The other races don't really have that, If a terran loses a drop ship, yes it's a hit which may put them behind but no so much that they could lose the game.
People have got it in their head that Zerg is the weakest race, but those people do not use Zerg to it's full potencial. How many games do you see where a Zerg uses nydus worms to pressure the enemy or secure expantions? Or does a drop like terrans do all the time?
The Zerg community is, IMO, more vocal then Terran or Protoss because when you play Zerg it's like your part of a brotherhood. Every Zerg get's 'the rage' when they play sometimes. One of my friends went from playing Protoss to Zerg, he said he'd never been so angry in a game before and quickly swapped back. It's because we are more vocal that everyone notices us, and unfortunatly the whiners tend to be the more vocal members 
Have you not see the 'unsung hero..' threads? There are tribute threads to overlords, queens, hydras and even broodlings here on TL. Don't forsake the Zerg because of the vocal minority, instead try to inspire new thinking to help the community.
If however, after reading my incredibly patriotic post, you do decide to switch race go Protoss, their imba!  I joke, I just find Protoss more like Zerg with warpins and I love force fields which is more in line with my style of play
Edit: On October 27 2011 19:49 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 19:43 Itsmedudeman wrote:
lol I don't think your problem would be fixed by switching races. It'd just be said in your direction and you'd probably hear it more often. That would fix my problem! I have no problem with protoss complaining zerg is OP. I'd just go "And what about it... bitch!". What I hate is people of my race complaining our race is not awesome, when it is awesome. I'm ashamed of being part of a race that whenever a Zerg loses in a tournament, the LR thread explodes with balance whines, when really, the Zerg just got outplayed.
MVP vs Nestea, Blizzcon finals, Game 3....... Why did Nestea not just ATTACK FOR GOD SAKE!! He could have won so easiley, but he just sat there and let MVP back into the game. 100% Outplayed
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Protoss are recovering a little bit now, they've stopped crying recently. Join terran! We've never had any issues, so nobody whines! I saw one guy in a chat room go on a horrible ravenous rant about how imbalanced lategame ZvT was in zerg's favor, but I checked his match history and it turns out he lost a lategame TvZ three minutes earlier, on tal'darim.
So other than the occasional whiner, we're really happy nice people :>
edit: and yes, I kind of agree with your main point. I have a somewhat annoying zerg friend who (despite being in gold league -_- keeps alluding to zerg being harder or weaker than any other race.
"...I just think it's kind of lame how zerg has to be one base ahead to be good at all..."
"I was listening to spanishiwa, and i agree zerg needs a way to deal with force fields..."
(v_v)...
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Go for the land of dice, like a BOSS.
We dice-men do not take sides. We do not care about imbalances, as imbalances help us as well as hurt us. Some of us know everything about every race, and some of us know nothing about any race. We do not just enjoy Zerg, Protoss, or Terran. We enjoy Starcraft in all its forms.
We are neutral. We are few. We are proud.
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Switching from zerg would just confirm that zerg is so UP that people start to jump ship. Lol hydras joke game no scouting coinflip cheese deathball collosus marines>banelings!! Did I cover it all?
Seriously I wonder how big role Monsieur Fields has had in the zerg QQ culture. Maybe it is also partially due to the big nerfs they got early on, due to the heavily OP:ed roach early beta...
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On October 27 2011 20:00 eviltomahawk wrote:
Go for the land of dice, like a BOSS.
We dice-men do not take sides. We do not care about imbalances, as imbalances help us as well as hurt us. Some of us know everything about every race, and some of us know nothing about any race. We do not just enjoy Zerg, Protoss, or Terran. We enjoy Starcraft in all its forms.
We are neutral. We are few. We are proud.
This post is GOLD
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On October 27 2011 20:00 eviltomahawk wrote:
We are neutral.
What makes a man turn neutral?
Lust for gold?
Power?
Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?
+ Show Spoiler +
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This is rather strange. I've experienced a fair share of whiners all races.
The QQ from protoss can be unbearable sometimes, just as much as from Zerg and Terran not so much, but still whine when other races gets buffs and they get nerfs.
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I think you just hear it a lot more from zerg players because there actually are quite a lot more zerg players on TL than any of the other two races, so you're going to hear both the negative and positive from zergs a lot more loudly than you would with terran or protoss.
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I agree to some extent. the general whine is extremely annoying, but there are games/situations where it is justified. An example would be the mass ghost endgame vs Zerg. Nevertheless - thanks for your blog. I guess it was needed.
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I don't understand how seeing other zerg players complain about the state of the game, has an inpact on what race you decide to play. I would also deny the existence of a "zerg community", in my opinion the solidarity found between the players of each race is one of the shallowest forms of solidarity.
Are you afraid to be associated with whiners? I'm a bit perplexed, as to why you can't just completely ignore every ignorant opinion on balance, coming from zerg players. If you beleive in said stereotype, this is your chance to prove people wrong. But considering it's only a vocal minority, I don't see why it matters.
"I'm ashamed of being part of a race that whenever a Zerg loses in a tournament, the LR thread explodes with balance whines, when really, the Zerg just got outplayed."
Really? Being a zerg players sounds like it defines your identity, when in fact all you have in common with those people, is that you press the same button when queuing for ladder.
All that matters is you enjoy playing the race is it not?
In addition to that, "But I've never seen Zerg players loving their race the way I do." followed by "I think I might try to switch to Terran or Protoss." is hilariously ridiculous, and I disagree about zerg being the easiest race at lower levels (Which is arguably illustrated by: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/3551858/StarCraft_II_Balance_Snapshot_-9_22_2011?page=13)
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Switching race isn't like moving apartments dude. No matter what race you play there will be just as many complainers, and if people are complaining about Z then you'll have to deal with them more when you play T or P. If you want to get away from it then play some other game --- but I think you just wanted to complain, which is a little ironic. You certainly showed those whiners... oh wait.
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Your whining about the whiners don't you see how much of a hypocrite that makes you
And part of the reason people whine about it in the lr threads so much isnt because of the race its because of the players
Point is stop whining about whiners when that just makes you a whiny bitch.
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shitty blog. Protoss is the easiest race by far. Zerg requires strategic thinking and good mechanics. Zergs whine because 90% (at least for myself) of the games that they lose, it is because of some stupid timing/rush/allin and not a "real" macro game where real skills are shown.
1 star for hyprocitic opinions and double standards.
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On October 27 2011 21:26 maggy0 wrote:
shitty blog. Protoss is the easiest race by far. Zerg requires strategic thinking and good mechanics. Zergs whine because 90% (at least for myself) of the games that they lose, it is because of some stupid timing/rush/allin and not a "real" macro game where real skills are shown.
1 star for hyprocitic opinions and double standards.
I think you kind of proved his point lol.
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On October 27 2011 21:26 maggy0 wrote:
shitty blog. Protoss is the easiest race by far. Zerg requires strategic thinking and good mechanics. Zergs whine because 90% (at least for myself) of the games that they lose, it is because of some stupid timing/rush/allin and not a "real" macro game where real skills are shown.
1 star for hyprocitic opinions and double standards.
Because not taking into account the possibility of early game aggression is apparently superior play, the glorification of late game macro-management scenarios is really getting out of hand. I also like how you imply that the others race don't require so called "strategic thinking" and "good mechanics".
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On October 27 2011 21:29 Angra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 21:26 maggy0 wrote:
shitty blog. Protoss is the easiest race by far. Zerg requires strategic thinking and good mechanics. Zergs whine because 90% (at least for myself) of the games that they lose, it is because of some stupid timing/rush/allin and not a "real" macro game where real skills are shown.
1 star for hyprocitic opinions and double standards. I think you kind of proved his point lol.
Oh I play both zerg and protoss.
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On October 27 2011 21:29 Alur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 21:26 maggy0 wrote:
shitty blog. Protoss is the easiest race by far. Zerg requires strategic thinking and good mechanics. Zergs whine because 90% (at least for myself) of the games that they lose, it is because of some stupid timing/rush/allin and not a "real" macro game where real skills are shown.
1 star for hyprocitic opinions and double standards. Because not taking into account the possibility of early game aggression is apparently superior play, the glorification of late game macro-management scenarios is really getting out of hand. I also like how you imply that the others race don't require so called "strategic thinking" and "good mechanics".
They do.. They do. But not as much, because other things are more important for the other races.
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On October 27 2011 21:26 maggy0 wrote:
shitty blog. Protoss is the easiest race by far. Zerg requires strategic thinking and good mechanics. Zergs whine because 90% (at least for myself) of the games that they lose, it is because of some stupid timing/rush/allin and not a "real" macro game where real skills are shown.
1 star for hyprocitic opinions and double standards.
There's a lot of zergs like this guy who think that macro games are the only games that take skill even though zerg mechanics inherently make it much easier for zergs to take bases and max out faster.
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On October 27 2011 21:26 maggy0 wrote:
shitty blog. Protoss is the easiest race by far. Zerg requires strategic thinking and good mechanics. Zergs whine because 90% (at least for myself) of the games that they lose, it is because of some stupid timing/rush/allin and not a "real" macro game where real skills are shown.
1 star for hyprocitic opinions and double standards.
Every game is a real game no matter how you look at it, this ranges from cannon rushing to 1hour long turtle games...
Also I just wanted to throw this out here. With all the whining about balance going on, atleast in my opinion no one below Masters league has ever lost a game soley due to the state of the game balance wise. Just out of curiosity is there anyone who agrees with me, or am i just a terran fool?
I know this is a bold statement but I'm almost tempted to even say below GM as well, but this might be too bold :p
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On October 27 2011 21:44 enslaved[t] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 21:26 maggy0 wrote:
shitty blog. Protoss is the easiest race by far. Zerg requires strategic thinking and good mechanics. Zergs whine because 90% (at least for myself) of the games that they lose, it is because of some stupid timing/rush/allin and not a "real" macro game where real skills are shown.
1 star for hyprocitic opinions and double standards. Every game is a real game no matter how you look at it, this ranges from cannon rushing to 1hour long turtle games... Also I just wanted to throw this out here. With all the whining about balance going on, atleast in my opinion no one below Masters league has ever lost a game soley due to the state of the game balance wise. Just out of curiosity is there anyone who agrees with me, or am i just a terran fool? I know this is a bold statement but I'm almost tempted to even say below GM as well, but this might be too bold :p
I completely agree with you.
Even in lower masters, I only lose because I suck. That's the only reason.
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On October 27 2011 21:18 Bd.Snake wrote:
Your whining about the whiners don't you see how much of a hypocrite that makes you
And part of the reason people whine about it in the lr threads so much isnt because of the race its because of the players
Point is stop whining about whiners when that just makes you a whiny bitch.
You've got a point, problem is that there is a difference in goals.
when playing a game of starcraft, the sole goal is to win. Crying about how that win is achieved is stupid, as long as the win was achieved within the rules of the game.
However, when debating atmosphere, there is no clear goal like winning.
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I only don't like Zerg because of how much we get punished for mistakes, where Terran really don't, and Protoss have void rays (Lol jk, I only hate Terran). 4 hellions come up, roast all zerglings, roast ful mineral lines, out micro queens, do splash aoe to light, and can make you lose the game if you don't catch them ASAP. If you do, they're only down 400 minerals. Not a big deal. Zerg and Protoss have no equivalent, besides banelings (which cost gas, and morph from zerglings, and are slower, and blow up when they attack, and can't out micro things (queens and such). Protoss have no great harrass, but terran get flying healing dropships. I really don't like terran, but ZvP is one of my favorite matchups, along with ZvZ, ZvT is just a pain in the ass.
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The only thing I absolutely HATE about playing Zerg is ZvZ, that thing will make me whine to no end, it is so a random matchup, everybody seems to flood me with lings, hell from now on everytime I see another zerg I'm 6pooling him...
I never really understood all the whining about Terran or Protoss though, Zerg has been the race that has been trying to figure out stuff since the start, trying to beat the deathball and what not, now after a little more than a year Zergs are starting to wreck everything. Protoss on the other hand finds itself stuck in the situation Zerg was some months ago, trying to figure out ways to beat 1/1/1 etc etc...
I can't really tell for Terran though, it doesn't feel like if there's a strat that you could do against them that will bring positive results 100% of the time if executed correctly.
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On October 27 2011 21:26 maggy0 wrote:
shitty blog. Protoss is the easiest race by far. Zerg requires strategic thinking and good mechanics. Zergs whine because 90% (at least for myself) of the games that they lose, it is because of some stupid timing/rush/allin and not a "real" macro game where real skills are shown.
1 star for hyprocitic opinions and double standards.
Such a hypocrite saying he finds his race easy. How DARE HE not struggle like other Zerg players!
Truly he is an abomination, he enjoys playing zerg and doesn't whine about "inbalance" truly he is intentionally hurting the zerg race by not endlessly QQing in the hope that Bliz will nerf everyone else. Instead he is having fun with a game. What a traitor, lynch him IMO.
<3 Palmar, I agree, it feels like every Zerg just enjoys complaining, even when they are doing fine. Its refreshing to hear that not every zerg thinks banelings should be free and marines should cost 200/200 and be built out of a starport. ^_^
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I switched from zerg to protoss and found out that all the 'herp derp protoss 1a move' crap that certain zerg players like to spout is complete BS. It's not easy to always have to switch screens when you want to build units in the middle of a fight and worry about whether your forward pylons are going to get found and sniped. Just getting your nexus down at your natural can be a huge trial if the zerg has good speedling micro, as well as trying to defend all the different parts of your bases against mass mutas and roach ling all-ins can be a bitch to stop. And that's only PvZ- trying to stop a marine/tank/banshee all-in in PvT is one of the most difficult things in the game.
I wish every player would be forced to play random so that they could actually appreciate the difficulties of other races.
Terran is the race I've played the least but I've gained respect for terran players when I realized what a slugfest TvT is, with so much positional play- I pretty much couldn't stand it. Probably the most challenging mirror match up in terms of complexity.
So yeah, if you're one of those zerg players who have never played toss and think it's easy, educate yourself- give it a fair trial over a season and see if you still think it's that easy when you come back.
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On October 27 2011 21:56 Ko1tz wrote:
The only thing I absolutely HATE about playing Zerg is ZvZ, that thing will make me whine to no end, it is so a random matchup, everybody seems to flood me with lings, hell from now on everytime I see another zerg I'm 6pooling him...
While I agree that the matchup is boring and not as enjoyable as the other matchups I really dont understand this impression that zvz is random. I would say the very opposite as it is very easy to scout early and mid game with overlords. And it often doesn't go beyond that. It could be that the game is determined by micro rather than macro in a larger extent than zvp or zvt, but that doesn't make it random, only depending on different skills.
I would even go as far as saying that if you are bad at zvz compared to zvt and zvp, then you are probably better at many-base macro-mechanics, multitasking and mind-guessing (or meta-game if you want). If you are better at zvz then you are probably better at reacting to (solid) scouting information and micro.
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You mean you blame yourself when you lose and not your race?
This so does not seem like the internet.
Hey, you are welcome to join me in barbecuing Zerglings and making sad Zealot cry.
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On October 27 2011 21:56 Ko1tz wrote:
The only thing I absolutely HATE about playing Zerg is ZvZ, that thing will make me whine to no end, it is so a random matchup, everybody seems to flood me with lings, hell from now on everytime I see another zerg I'm 6pooling him...
I never really understood all the whining about Terran or Protoss though, Zerg has been the race that has been trying to figure out stuff since the start, trying to beat the deathball and what not, now after a little more than a year Zergs are starting to wreck everything. Protoss on the other hand finds itself stuck in the situation Zerg was some months ago, trying to figure out ways to beat 1/1/1 etc etc...
I can't really tell for Terran though, it doesn't feel like if there's a strat that you could do against them that will bring positive results 100% of the time if executed correctly.
I've never understood why people say ZvZ is random, it's probably the least random matchup. It's unforgiving yes, but not random.
Because Zergies don't wall-in, you can scout as much as you want in the matchup, and as long as you open 14gas/14pool (replace 14 with 13 on tiny maps) you're not going to lose straight up due to a build order loss.
If they have a lot of lings, why don't you build a lot of lings too? Or banelings?
You don't even need to see his lingball to know he has a lot of lings, just keep an overlord behind his mineral line(s) and count the drones, that's how you know how much larvae is being spent on units. And it's not like scouting a lingball is hard. You do it with lings.
And ling/bling wars aren't random, they're unforgiving, stressful and ridiculously hard, but they're equally so for both players and thus definitely not random. Never does skill shine more through than in such an intense situation.
You shouldn't hatch-first on the ladder. That's a calculated risk pros take because the chances of their opponent 10 pool spine crawler rushing or 7 pooling or something similar are significantly lower than on the ladder. But you can't be greedy.
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give lings a research ability to jump over force fields (and only forcefields) automagically(nice word) 
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On October 27 2011 22:26 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 21:56 Ko1tz wrote:
The only thing I absolutely HATE about playing Zerg is ZvZ, that thing will make me whine to no end, it is so a random matchup, everybody seems to flood me with lings, hell from now on everytime I see another zerg I'm 6pooling him...
I never really understood all the whining about Terran or Protoss though, Zerg has been the race that has been trying to figure out stuff since the start, trying to beat the deathball and what not, now after a little more than a year Zergs are starting to wreck everything. Protoss on the other hand finds itself stuck in the situation Zerg was some months ago, trying to figure out ways to beat 1/1/1 etc etc...
I can't really tell for Terran though, it doesn't feel like if there's a strat that you could do against them that will bring positive results 100% of the time if executed correctly.
I've never understood why people say ZvZ is random, it's probably the least random matchup. It's unforgiving yes, but not random. Because Zergies don't wall-in, you can scout as much as you want in the matchup, and as long as you open 14gas/14pool (replace 14 with 13 on tiny maps) you're not going to lose straight up due to a build order loss. If they have a lot of lings, why don't you build a lot of lings too? Or banelings? You don't even need to see his lingball to know he has a lot of lings, just keep an overlord behind his mineral line(s) and count the drones, that's how you know how much larvae is being spent on units. And it's not like scouting a lingball is hard. You do it with lings. And ling/bling wars aren't random, they're unforgiving, stressful and ridiculously hard, but they're equally so for both players and thus definitely not random. Never does skill shine more through than in such an intense situation. You shouldn't hatch-first on the ladder. That's a calculated risk pros take because the chances of their opponent 10 pool spine crawler rushing or 7 pooling or something similar are significantly lower than on the ladder. But you can't be greedy.
Recently I've been doing that, going full-ling/baneling myself but I will ALWAYS have less than the other guy, but hell this is mostly my mistake and me not spending properly my larva.
What I dislike is mostly the early game for zvz, if I somehow manage to get past the 8min mark I actually enjoy the Roach wars.
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On October 27 2011 21:56 Frostfire wrote:
I only don't like Zerg because of how much we get punished for mistakes, where Terran really don't, and Protoss have void rays (Lol jk, I only hate Terran). 4 hellions come up, roast all zerglings, roast ful mineral lines, out micro queens, do splash aoe to light, and can make you lose the game if you don't catch them ASAP. If you do, they're only down 400 minerals. Not a big deal. Zerg and Protoss have no equivalent, besides banelings (which cost gas, and morph from zerglings, and are slower, and blow up when they attack, and can't out micro things (queens and such). Protoss have no great harrass, but terran get flying healing dropships. I really don't like terran, but ZvP is one of my favorite matchups, along with ZvZ, ZvT is just a pain in the ass.
I have no issues with hellions in ZvT unless the opponent massively outplays me. Generally all it takes is to scout if they go gas after rax with your initial drone, and if they do start considering roaches. Send a ling up their ramp later on to see if they've swapped a factory onto the reactor. If this is the case, you can either all-in them with roaches and win, or make like 6 roaches and be perfectly safe while you saturate two bases, just don't overdo the roaches, you're only 150 and 1 drone behind if you make a roach warren, it's probably worth it to make it blindly these days, not like they're bad against marine/tank. Definitely not optimal, but not bad.
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On October 27 2011 22:31 Ko1tz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 22:26 Palmar wrote:On October 27 2011 21:56 Ko1tz wrote:
The only thing I absolutely HATE about playing Zerg is ZvZ, that thing will make me whine to no end, it is so a random matchup, everybody seems to flood me with lings, hell from now on everytime I see another zerg I'm 6pooling him...
I never really understood all the whining about Terran or Protoss though, Zerg has been the race that has been trying to figure out stuff since the start, trying to beat the deathball and what not, now after a little more than a year Zergs are starting to wreck everything. Protoss on the other hand finds itself stuck in the situation Zerg was some months ago, trying to figure out ways to beat 1/1/1 etc etc...
I can't really tell for Terran though, it doesn't feel like if there's a strat that you could do against them that will bring positive results 100% of the time if executed correctly.
I've never understood why people say ZvZ is random, it's probably the least random matchup. It's unforgiving yes, but not random. Because Zergies don't wall-in, you can scout as much as you want in the matchup, and as long as you open 14gas/14pool (replace 14 with 13 on tiny maps) you're not going to lose straight up due to a build order loss. If they have a lot of lings, why don't you build a lot of lings too? Or banelings? You don't even need to see his lingball to know he has a lot of lings, just keep an overlord behind his mineral line(s) and count the drones, that's how you know how much larvae is being spent on units. And it's not like scouting a lingball is hard. You do it with lings. And ling/bling wars aren't random, they're unforgiving, stressful and ridiculously hard, but they're equally so for both players and thus definitely not random. Never does skill shine more through than in such an intense situation. You shouldn't hatch-first on the ladder. That's a calculated risk pros take because the chances of their opponent 10 pool spine crawler rushing or 7 pooling or something similar are significantly lower than on the ladder. But you can't be greedy. Recently I've been doing that, going full-ling/baneling myself but I will ALWAYS have less than the other guy, but hell this is mostly my mistake and me not spending properly larva. What I dislike is mostly the early game for zvz, if I somehow manage to get past the 8min mark I actually enjoy the Roach wars.
I just love the flow of the matchup, you have to constantly scout and you're never safe. More than in any other matchup you have to keep your units active to constantly threaten him, you want to bluff him into making units while you're making drones, and yet keep him scared enough to stay home.
Such a fine line, but counting drones is invaluable. You should never be behind in drones and never more than 5-10 drones ahead.
If you're 15 drones ahead, you die now. If you're behind, you all-in him or die. If you're 5 drones ahead, you can hold and win.
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you can't play SC2 if you are afraid of whiners, every race has its whiners/BM players. Instead of looking to the whiners, look to the people who don't whine. Also this blog is a whine in disguise. You are whining about whining.
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Let me get this straight.
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Zerg was right to complain about balance a while back, you disagree? Ok.
Let's bring back range 3 for roach, let's bring back speed reapers, let's bring back close positions, let's bring back jungle Basin, let's bring back Delta Quadrant, let's bring back the old infestor, let's bring back Steppes of War, let's rollback all the nerfs to Terran.
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I have been reading many post on TL in the past 15 months, I have access to TL while working. You are exaggerating. I dare to say that zerg users have been quite silent about balance past 3 months. True, ghosts are still capable to raise the blood of zergies sometimes.
Also, if SCII is a sport, and in my opinion it is, emotions are a part of it. Overheating is a part of having emotions, not typing on TL.net while you are overheating is common sense, but common sense isn't always there while you are overheating.
Your blog is a monstrosity, I see myself as a part of the zerg community and reading your blog almost makes me feel anger towards you. I don't understand why it is even allowed by the mods that somebody just shits over an entire community like you do.
Ranting without proof, without knowledge, without a brain. You mastered it.
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On October 27 2011 21:53 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 21:44 enslaved[t] wrote:On October 27 2011 21:26 maggy0 wrote:
shitty blog. Protoss is the easiest race by far. Zerg requires strategic thinking and good mechanics. Zergs whine because 90% (at least for myself) of the games that they lose, it is because of some stupid timing/rush/allin and not a "real" macro game where real skills are shown.
1 star for hyprocitic opinions and double standards. Every game is a real game no matter how you look at it, this ranges from cannon rushing to 1hour long turtle games... Also I just wanted to throw this out here. With all the whining about balance going on, atleast in my opinion no one below Masters league has ever lost a game soley due to the state of the game balance wise. Just out of curiosity is there anyone who agrees with me, or am i just a terran fool? I know this is a bold statement but I'm almost tempted to even say below GM as well, but this might be too bold :p I completely agree with you. Even in lower masters, I only lose because I suck. That's the only reason.
I also agree with the point you want to make in general, but I would like to reformulate it a bit.
In a way you can say that as long as nestea has a decent chance to win against anyone, then no zerg (at least below code S) is losing a single game due to balance, as nestea would have won in your place.
Assume a game where you have 50% probability win, depending on how well you and your opponent execute. If you lose it, it is easy to say that you lost because of bad execution, after all, nestea would've won.
Now assume there is a small imbalance, making your probability to win 48%. Now did you lose because of bad execution (nestea still wouldve won) or because of the 2% imbalance? Nestea would still be able to compete in code S with a 48% imbalance, so the first argument still holds. What if the win probability is 40%, or 5%? At what point can you start saying that you lost because of imbalance?
So my point is that just because you could have won most lost games game by executing better (or being more lucky with build orders), which for sure is the case up to code A at least, doesn't mean that you are completely unaffected by balance.
So I would formulate the statement like this:
Up to code A level at least, it is skill holding back your MMR, not imbalance.
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Switching races because the other people that play that race are annoying?
I agree with that poster who says u should play random. You're already halfway there with this blog title.
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On October 27 2011 22:41 Koshi wrote:
Let me get this straight.
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Zerg was right to complain about balance a while back, you disagree? Ok.
Let's bring back range 3 for roach, let's bring back speed reapers, let's bring back close positions, let's bring back jungle Basin, let's bring back Delta Quadrant, let's bring back the old infestor, let's bring back Steppes of War, let's rollback all the nerfs to Terran.
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I have been reading many post on TL in the past 15 months, I have access to TL while working. You are exaggerating. I dare to say that zerg users have been quite silent about balance past 3 months. True, ghosts are still capable to raise the blood of zergies sometimes.
Also, if SCII is a sport, and in my opinion it is, emotions are a part of it. Overheating is a part of having emotions, not typing on TL.net while you are overheating is common sense, but common sense isn't always there while you are overheating.
Your blog is a monstrosity, I see myself as a part of the zerg community and reading your blog almost makes me feel anger towards you. I don't understand why it is even allowed by the mods that somebody just shits over an entire community like you do.
Ranting without proof, without knowledge, without a brain. You mastered it.
I think I made it clear that this is directed at a subsection of the community as whole. And you say I'm ranting without proof. I didn't assume I needed one for something so glaringly obvious, but for reference, read the next 40 pages or so of this thread:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278169¤tpage=231
And count the cries.
from the same series after a successful blue flame hellion drop:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278169¤tpage=172
Read on.
So I respect the fact you do not agree with me, but don't accuse me of being wrong or uninformed when I am not. And again, sure most of the people understand that Nestea lost those finals because of blunders, but there are just too many people crying about terran units or whatever.
And I dare say 5rax reaper would've been figured out eventually.
I get emotional about players, not balance, I cheer for a team, not for a race (I think I have suggested like 5 times that we get Team signatures in the SC2 section like in the BW section).
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On October 27 2011 22:46 Zorkmid wrote:
Switching races because the other people that play that race are annoying?
I agree with that poster who says u should play random. You're already halfway there with this blog title.
Such a good point, I probably should.
I need to learn terran though, I can't deal with so many production buildings and with the mules I end up with like 1000 minerals on 8 minutes.
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You do know this game has multiple building selection?
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Ghost are still a touchy subject. But not only Zerg user are ranting there, Protoss users think the same, and even some Terrans frowned after seeing July lose his 200/200 Ultra Broodlord army in the GSL. This thread didn't even come close to the whine we read there.
Your hellion "example"? If that DISGUST you, wauw. Go read the comments again, there are 3 times more people praising Nestea for coming back and retaking drone lead, people criticizing Nestea for being to greedy, people saying 2 spines shouldn't be enough against helions than there are people whining. I was reading that thread live.
I didn't remove that small bit about you saying it is only about a "part".
On October 27 2011 19:32 Palmar wrote:
the only thing that really sucks is the community around Zerg.
Let me put it this way, there is a certain subsection of the Zerg community that consists of some of the most annoying whining assholes that I have ever seen.
The Zergs here make me so ashamed of playing this race of losers that think they're losing because of imbalance when they're just terrible.
Until I meet other Zerg players whose tears disgust me.
I'm at the point now that I'm so disgusted with the Zerg community that I want to switch to something where I can enjoy the company of people who aren't crying losers.
You never saw a zerg player love their race like you do. You are pathetic.
On October 27 2011 19:32 Palmar wrote:
I wish Zergies would always be like "fuck yeah, we're awesome, let's do this". But I've never seen Zerg players loving their race the way I do.
And then following part. Most of us comment on what we see on the highest level. Especially if you go search proof in MLG/GSL/BlizzCon Live Threads.
On October 27 2011 19:32 Palmar wrote:
I think personally that Zerg is the easiest race to play at lower levels. 1 building to macro from and you can be very effective with minimal amount of micro. I play people on daily basis who are better than me, but I can win them anyway because of maphack (overlords/creep) and just a-moving my units on them.
I think Zerg is awesome, borderline OP, and I'm really happy I'm playing Zerg. Until I meet other Zerg players whose tears disgust me.
Awesome post. You aren't an elitist asshole.
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On October 27 2011 23:18 Bd.Snake wrote:
You do know this game has multiple building selection?
haha, yeah, I'm aware.
But 1szzzzzzz is easier than 4aaaaaa5ss6dd
It's obviously just inexperience with terran, for some reason I caught onto protoss mechanics really fast, I guess it's from playing protoss in bw.
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so now your whining that you have to press 5 and 6 2 actions?
i think you need to rethink your rant/whine ^^
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On October 27 2011 23:42 Bd.Snake wrote:
so now your whining that you have to press 5 and 6 2 actions?
i think you need to rethink your rant/whine ^^
There is a difference between whining and admitting you can't do something
I don't think the game needs to be changed to suit me, I think I need to change to suit the game.
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what are you talking about this thread was a whine about whiners plz explain that
im not talking about your stupid statement of 1sz 4a5s6d
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imo there's a lot of whine about zerg from lower level players because it's not harder to master from a micro/macro perspective but I think it requires a higher level of thinking to player a lower level than terran or protoss would, taking out of my point balance, mules, control etc as a protoss you always build workers and units at the same time as zerg you have to choose and understand when you can and can't to someone that's just started sc2 I think that's the most mindfucking thing.
Now as terran/prortoss you build your workers and choose your 'units' to make and pick your timing to attack, if the zerg has made to many drones he dies if the zerg made too many units earlier and didn't have the drones to keep up he dies if hes bad and misses half of his injects (which lower level players do) he dies. Now this guy with little understanding of the game and pissed off that he just got amoved into and died and doesn't understand what he could of done watch goes back watches the replay sees he was 40supply ahead or whatever and then starts moaning terran is imba etc.
Zerg is so fragile and you get punished for so easily for making mistakes but it's rewarding when you play close to perfect or at least closer than your opponent has and have the right information through scouting to make better decisions. Again I just think zerg is harder for some people to wrap there head around.and I believe at lower level as terran and protoss you can use sentrys and tanks and defensive buildings to not be punished as easily as a zerg for a mistake, the better the players the more balanced it becomes.
On October 27 2011 21:26 maggy0 wrote:
shitty blog. Protoss is the easiest race by far. Zerg requires strategic thinking and good mechanics. Zergs whine because 90% (at least for myself) of the games that they lose, it is because of some stupid timing/rush/allin and not a "real" macro game where real skills are shown.
1 star for hyprocitic opinions and double standards.
No. Every race requires strategic thinking and good mechanics and timing or and all in is good player if it's reactive or planned out so well you couldn't stop it imo the real skills are shown when you're good enough to macro well enough and KNOW when enough is enough through good scouting to stop these 'shitty' all ins, Not thinking because you blindly make 80 drones go to 4base untouched then think because then you fight the p/t that didn't pressure or hit you with a timing you're better? if you play a heavy macro style that always get caught by these timings ofc you're going to win all the time when they back off and let you macro. Jesus if you're higher than gold i'll be disgusted
And to the OP can you you possibly think zerg is the easiest to play at lower levels a point like "oh they only make stuff from one building" is ignorant and idiotic as each race has it's strengths and weaknesses I'd love to be able to save up 200 energy on my queens and drop 8 injects at once if my macro slips or warp in units under my overlords every race is different and balanced differently and imo protoss is easiest race to play in terms of learning it but it's UP to all hell, Terran just has too many options atm and they're too versatile being able to have t1 units function in the very late game is kinda disgusting really.
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Imo Zergs whine alot(well, most of them :p) because there are about 2 million different ways how you can die. The lack of wallin/FF and really versatile core units can hurt you a lot when you play the reactionary style. There are so many different compositions and timings and it's hard to get a good read and the knowledge how to respond to them until you are really good.
Zerg is not the hardest race, but the most frustrating race imo.
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Sheeple are even racist against video game races...
I honestly don't even know how to respond to this thread. I'm having a hard time figuring out which posters are actually partisan for or against a video game race, and which posters are just going along with the stupidity.
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On October 28 2011 00:26 conz wrote:imo there's a lot of whine about zerg from lower level players because it's not harder to master from a micro/macro perspective but I think it requires a higher level of thinking to player a lower level than terran or protoss would, taking out of my point balance, mules, control etc as a protoss you always build workers and units at the same time as zerg you have to choose and understand when you can and can't to someone that's just started sc2 I think that's the most mindfucking thing. Now as terran/prortoss you build your workers and choose your 'units' to make and pick your timing to attack, if the zerg has made to many drones he dies if the zerg made too many units earlier and didn't have the drones to keep up he dies if hes bad and misses half of his injects (which lower level players do) he dies. Now this guy with little understanding of the game and pissed off that he just got amoved into and died and doesn't understand what he could of done watch goes back watches the replay sees he was 40supply ahead or whatever and then starts moaning terran is imba etc. Zerg is so fragile and you get punished for so easily for making mistakes but it's rewarding when you play close to perfect or at least closer than your opponent has and have the right information through scouting to make better decisions. Again I just think zerg is harder for some people to wrap there head around.and I believe at lower level as terran and protoss you can use sentrys and tanks and defensive buildings to not be punished as easily as a zerg for a mistake, the better the players the more balanced it becomes. Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 21:26 maggy0 wrote:
shitty blog. Protoss is the easiest race by far. Zerg requires strategic thinking and good mechanics. Zergs whine because 90% (at least for myself) of the games that they lose, it is because of some stupid timing/rush/allin and not a "real" macro game where real skills are shown.
1 star for hyprocitic opinions and double standards. No. Every race requires strategic thinking and good mechanics and timing or and all in is good player if it's reactive or planned out so well you couldn't stop it imo the real skills are shown when you're good enough to macro well enough and KNOW when enough is enough through good scouting to stop these 'shitty' all ins, Not thinking because you blindly make 80 drones go to 4base untouched then think because then you fight the p/t that didn't pressure or hit you with a timing you're better? if you play a heavy macro style that always get caught by these timings ofc you're going to win all the time when they back off and let you macro. Jesus if you're higher than gold i'll be disgusted And to the OP can you you possibly think zerg is the easiest to play at lower levels a point like "oh they only make stuff from one building" is ignorant and idiotic as each race has it's strengths and weaknesses I'd love to be able to save up 200 energy on my queens and drop 8 injects at once if my macro slips or warp in units under my overlords every race is different and balanced differently and imo protoss is easiest race to play in terms of learning it but it's UP to all hell, Terran just has too many options atm and they're too versatile being able to have t1 units function in the very late game is kinda disgusting really.
You nailed it!
Luckily this is just a rant, but I feel like it's been caused by selective reading. Everyone whines when their favourite player loses horribly. Idra fans complain high on end regarding cheese on him. That's just it they're passionate about their race. I blame the ref when I see my team lose in a football (soccer) match, whether it's justified or not.
I don't know why the OP was belittling the Zerg race though, you were asking for trouble. Yes building units are simplified, but the above post explains how much more depth is involved, not just mass produce roaches....
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