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Kashll
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Sp1der
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phiinix
United States1169 Posts
I'm midmasters and I've played 6 games in the past month. Notice how both of our statements don't say much about the past. | ||
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mizU
United States12125 Posts
SCII should be a hobby, not your life. | ||
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Swede
New Zealand853 Posts
And that's aside from the general stupidity of trying to go pro in the first place. Being good at a video game is your biggest dream? Come on. You could do so many bigger, better things if you tried. I'd say it's more likely that being a progamer is your easiest dream. | ||
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Sp1der
United States96 Posts
mizu, im 19 years old. swede, why so angry? i understand your points and its obviously not something you would do and u do not have the same goals/dreams as me. i wouldnt expect u to understand. | ||
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pyaar
United States423 Posts
It's absolutely essential to have dreams and to pursue them, but in my judgment this is a bridge too far. Even you admitted in your post that you would be devastated if you tried to make it as a pro and failed, and I don't think it would be unfair to say that failure is almost guaranteed with an infinitesimal chance of success. Is it worth the heartbreak you will certainly feel a couple of years from now to pursue this? The most reasonable option, I'd say, would be to continue your studies and be on the lookout for something you really enjoy doing, but of course, everything is your choice. Just be certain that you will not regret your decisions. | ||
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nath
United States1788 Posts
feel free to pm if you want encouragement. i did a similar thing with my life following my dreams in something with a small chance of success and am doing well right now. | ||
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Swede
New Zealand853 Posts
On October 27 2011 06:21 Sp1der wrote: phiinx, i talked alot about my past in my original post haha. mizu, im 19 years old. swede, why so angry? i understand your points and its obviously not something you would do and u do not have the same goals/dreams as me. i wouldnt expect u to understand. I completely understand. Not only do I have a wrist injury which prevents me from playing, I am also of the ability where I could conceivably 'go pro' if I spent all my time on it. What prevents me from doing that is: A) it's a selfish, non-contributing lifestyle. You add nothing to society and your goal of self-betterment is completely egotistical. B) it's the easy way out. This might sound weird, but the truth is that sitting at home playing SC2 all day under the guise of 'going pro' is an easy way of avoiding the real world for an indefinite amount of time. It requires almost no character development, no stressful interactions with the real world etc. It's a great way to feel like you're achieving without ever achieving. C) I know that at the end of my progaming career I would look back and realise how inconsequential it has all been. I would have a bunch of useless skills (since they only apply to one game), I might have had fleeting recognition in a game which at the end of the day doesn't matter at all, I'd have some superficial internet friendships based on nothing other than the game itself... Basically I would have nothing to show for it, materially or in terms of personal growth. I could probably think of more reasons if I tried. I'm sorry if this comes off as harsh, but you need people to present criticisms of your ideas rather than just slapping you on the back and saying 'Good job!'. If at the end of the day you still decide to be a progamer in spite of all the 'haters' like myself, then hopefully it's because you took a well-reasoned look at what they had to say and honestly disagreed with them. By the way, I have no doubts that you could do it. I think anyone in Masters probably could with the right attitude and practice routine. My post is about whether you should do it. Drop this stubborn attitude: 'when someone tells me to just "quit that stupid game" i turn around and work 10 times harder' and think hard about it. You'll actually feel more confident in your choice if you can clearly consider peoples' criticisms and still conclude that being a progamer is the right choice. And if you can do that then I have complete confidence in your ability to succeed and I know that you'll have an awesome time trying to crack the game. | ||
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Tuneful
United States327 Posts
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Celial
2602 Posts
Also, being a progamer is not just about skill. Don't forget, in this business you are an entertainer. Think professional wrestling minus the fixed matches. You can only last if people see in your play something they never see anywhere else. However, if you just can't perform, there are so many different roles that need to be filled for this whole business to work. Not everybody can be a performer. Doesn't mean other people are unimportant, just take a look at Xeris. | ||
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Sp1der
United States96 Posts
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3FFA
United States3931 Posts
First of all, before clicking that spoiler please clear your mind of negative thoughts in your head and accept what I have to say neutrally, rather than aggressively(with determination) going towards what you currently believe is right. + Show Spoiler + Ideas of my own: Make a T-chart and put "Going Pro" on one side and "Not going pro but considering another,safer approach" or "Healing without High Risk of further injury" etc. on the other side. List on each side the pros of going that way. Ask your friends and family for pros of each side as they see it, but request no cons of either. Finally, consider this: Your family and friends may not always be the nicest of people, but they do care for you, and they do want the best for you. Your family knows you for the entirety of your life and know more about you than even you know. Your mother watches you progress through life and notice that in your first post you say "my mom says i would often spend hours setting them up and creating battlefields." this alone shows that your mother knows more about you than you do. She remembers this and says this. When she gives you advice your past is always in her mind. She knows how you tackle situations and knows just how stubborn you really are. Your parents know of past mistakes both you and they have made. They don't want them repeated, and I don't think you do either. For all you know, your best friends may have once had this same thought about a favorite video game but chose not to follow this dream because they dreamt even bigger things they could do, something to impact the real world, not just the virtual world. Consider these words of which were made for you. | ||
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tryummm
774 Posts
I would recommend, however, seeing a doctor and getting a practical recovery plan created by a professional. This will help minimize your recovery time and maximize the probability of a full recovery. Also, if someone really bad happened to your arm, the sooner the problem is identified higher chances you can correct the problem. | ||
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Swede
New Zealand853 Posts
On October 27 2011 09:41 Sp1der wrote: swede,would you have the same opinion of professional athletetes? or is it different because they are playing a teamsport and interacting with people? i mean, they dont seem to contribute to society in anyway based on what you said. if anything they get paid too much. but i have a hard time beleiving that this game is just a big waste of time with no meaning. esports is only just beginning and i think people like day9, tasteless, artosis, boxer etc.. are people who did make a difference and they are making it possible for people to play a game we love on a more professional level as a sport and a growing phenomenon. i think being a pro gamer is more then just sitting in your room all day by yourself and playing starcraft. its the events, interactions with fans, barcrafts, hard practice, teamwork with teamattes, and the passion that is driving the game to be so succesful. I feel exactly the same about professional athletes in reference them to being non-contributory (unless they're giving significant amounts to charity... which most aren't). You probably see things differently than I do. I don't buy the modern philosophy that individual happiness should be the only goal. I really can't be bothered going into a lot of detail since that isn't what this thread is about. But basically, yes, I think this game is just a big waste of time with no meaning. In my opinion its utility should extend no further than something to relax with in your spare time. | ||
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0123456789
United States3216 Posts
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Sp1der
United States96 Posts
On October 27 2011 10:36 tryummm wrote: Keep following your dreams, I love that quote at the top of your post. Also I found the part about you watching your cousin play hilarious. I would recommend, however, seeing a doctor and getting a practical recovery plan created by a professional. This will help minimize your recovery time and maximize the probability of a full recovery. Also, if someone really bad happened to your arm, the sooner the problem is identified higher chances you can correct the problem. haha ty! and ya i am working on it with my therapist 4 sure | ||
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Sp1der
United States96 Posts
On October 27 2011 12:34 Swede wrote: I feel exactly the same about professional athletes in reference them to being non-contributory (unless they're giving significant amounts to charity... which most aren't). You probably see things differently than I do. I don't buy the modern philosophy that individual happiness should be the only goal. I really can't be bothered going into a lot of detail since that isn't what this thread is about. But basically, yes, I think this game is just a big waste of time with no meaning. In my opinion its utility should extend no further than something to relax with in your spare time. ya we have different opinions but ive heard your arguement before. alot of people in my family feel the same way you do. i disagree with them but i understand where they are coming from. | ||
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Sp1der
United States96 Posts
On October 27 2011 14:41 0123456789 wrote: GL! Hope you achieve your dreams ^_^! thanks man! | ||
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Sp1der
United States96 Posts
On October 27 2011 09:37 Celial wrote: Well, you have the right attitude to succeed. The question is, should you? While I think that it is right - no matter whether there is Starcraft or not - to heal your wrist at any cost, having tunnel vision on the "progamer" thing just sounds wrong. You love the game, I got that. But you don't have to be a player to be a part of this world. You said you are studying VODs and replays and stuff and learn while you can't play. Do it verbal and fraps it. Put it on Youtube. Get feedback. Keep as many doors open as possible - why not being the first professional coach in Starcraft, a caster or a commentator? Leading your own team, discovering talent and coaching them? Setting up small tournaments? There are so many possibilities in this day and age, don't get tunnel vision and see only the gaming part. Also, being a progamer is not just about skill. Don't forget, in this business you are an entertainer. Think professional wrestling minus the fixed matches. You can only last if people see in your play something they never see anywhere else. However, if you just can't perform, there are so many different roles that need to be filled for this whole business to work. Not everybody can be a performer. Doesn't mean other people are unimportant, just take a look at Xeris. i like the idea of streaming my study time and doing it verbal. ill propably start doing that when my hands feel strong. (maybe 2 months or so) update: i have been icing and heating 2 times a day and stretching a ton. im starting to feel progress in flexibility. pain is still there but it is getting better everyday. i am going to doctor tomorrow for check up and maybe some anti-immflamatory medication. interested to hear what doc has to say, will let you guys know. | ||
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