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Kashll
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1117 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 18:08:59
October 26 2011 18:08 GMT
#21
You shouldn't even really be thinking about going pro at this point. You're simply not at the level to think about that. Play for fun, and see how much you improve. Once you start pushing high masters/low GM then you're in the position to seriously think about how much time you want to dedicate. Right now it shouldn't even be a question in your mind. Make a goal to hit Masters or something in your free time.
"After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music." - Aldous Huxley
Sp1der
Profile Joined August 2011
United States96 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 18:26:47
October 26 2011 18:24 GMT
#22
i already am a mid master only playing 1 hour per week. if i wa dedicating 6 hours a day i would be up in high master or gm easily. but ya i agree, i need to focus on getting healed and then getting my skill way up.
"If I don't sweat again today, I will be crying tears tomorrow"
phiinix
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1169 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 19:00:10
October 26 2011 18:49 GMT
#23
I expect no less than first place then. I'll be waiting.

I'm midmasters and I've played 6 games in the past month.

Notice how both of our statements don't say much about the past.
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
October 26 2011 18:55 GMT
#24
How old are you? Keep studying!~~~
SCII should be a hobby, not your life.
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
Swede
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand853 Posts
October 26 2011 19:47 GMT
#25
I'm sorry, but you're an idiot if you think going pro at SC2 is still a good idea after getting RSI. It can take years for an injury like that to fully heal, if it fully heals at all. Taking part in an activity which not only exacerbates the symptoms, but which was the original cause is unbelievably stupid.

And that's aside from the general stupidity of trying to go pro in the first place. Being good at a video game is your biggest dream? Come on. You could do so many bigger, better things if you tried. I'd say it's more likely that being a progamer is your easiest dream.
Sp1der
Profile Joined August 2011
United States96 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 21:22:31
October 26 2011 21:21 GMT
#26
phiinx, i talked alot about my past in my original post haha.

mizu, im 19 years old.

swede, why so angry? i understand your points and its obviously not something you would do and u do not have the same goals/dreams as me. i wouldnt expect u to understand.
"If I don't sweat again today, I will be crying tears tomorrow"
pyaar
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States423 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 21:59:24
October 26 2011 21:58 GMT
#27
As disappointing as it would be to give up your one passion in life, I personally think it would be the wisest choice. Going pro almost always isn't even in the cards for the best of the master league, and you're trying to make the push with an enormous handicap.

It's absolutely essential to have dreams and to pursue them, but in my judgment this is a bridge too far. Even you admitted in your post that you would be devastated if you tried to make it as a pro and failed, and I don't think it would be unfair to say that failure is almost guaranteed with an infinitesimal chance of success. Is it worth the heartbreak you will certainly feel a couple of years from now to pursue this?

The most reasonable option, I'd say, would be to continue your studies and be on the lookout for something you really enjoy doing, but of course, everything is your choice. Just be certain that you will not regret your decisions.
nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 22:23:33
October 26 2011 22:22 GMT
#28
as long as you wont regret failing, go for it.

feel free to pm if you want encouragement. i did a similar thing with my life following my dreams in something with a small chance of success and am doing well right now.
Founder of Flow Enterprises, LLC http://flow-enterprises.com/
Swede
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand853 Posts
October 27 2011 00:02 GMT
#29
On October 27 2011 06:21 Sp1der wrote:
phiinx, i talked alot about my past in my original post haha.

mizu, im 19 years old.

swede, why so angry? i understand your points and its obviously not something you would do and u do not have the same goals/dreams as me. i wouldnt expect u to understand.


I completely understand. Not only do I have a wrist injury which prevents me from playing, I am also of the ability where I could conceivably 'go pro' if I spent all my time on it. What prevents me from doing that is:
A) it's a selfish, non-contributing lifestyle. You add nothing to society and your goal of self-betterment is completely egotistical.
B) it's the easy way out. This might sound weird, but the truth is that sitting at home playing SC2 all day under the guise of 'going pro' is an easy way of avoiding the real world for an indefinite amount of time. It requires almost no character development, no stressful interactions with the real world etc. It's a great way to feel like you're achieving without ever achieving.
C) I know that at the end of my progaming career I would look back and realise how inconsequential it has all been. I would have a bunch of useless skills (since they only apply to one game), I might have had fleeting recognition in a game which at the end of the day doesn't matter at all, I'd have some superficial internet friendships based on nothing other than the game itself... Basically I would have nothing to show for it, materially or in terms of personal growth.

I could probably think of more reasons if I tried. I'm sorry if this comes off as harsh, but you need people to present criticisms of your ideas rather than just slapping you on the back and saying 'Good job!'. If at the end of the day you still decide to be a progamer in spite of all the 'haters' like myself, then hopefully it's because you took a well-reasoned look at what they had to say and honestly disagreed with them.

By the way, I have no doubts that you could do it. I think anyone in Masters probably could with the right attitude and practice routine. My post is about whether you should do it. Drop this stubborn attitude: 'when someone tells me to just "quit that stupid game" i turn around and work 10 times harder' and think hard about it. You'll actually feel more confident in your choice if you can clearly consider peoples' criticisms and still conclude that being a progamer is the right choice. And if you can do that then I have complete confidence in your ability to succeed and I know that you'll have an awesome time trying to crack the game.
Tuneful
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States327 Posts
October 27 2011 00:37 GMT
#30
Keep it pushing. If people hate on you, you're doing the right thing.
"I play this game for three years, twelve hours a day - I shouldn't lose to these people"
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
October 27 2011 00:37 GMT
#31
Well, you have the right attitude to succeed. The question is, should you? While I think that it is right - no matter whether there is Starcraft or not - to heal your wrist at any cost, having tunnel vision on the "progamer" thing just sounds wrong. You love the game, I got that. But you don't have to be a player to be a part of this world. You said you are studying VODs and replays and stuff and learn while you can't play. Do it verbal and fraps it. Put it on Youtube. Get feedback. Keep as many doors open as possible - why not being the first professional coach in Starcraft, a caster or a commentator? Leading your own team, discovering talent and coaching them? Setting up small tournaments? There are so many possibilities in this day and age, don't get tunnel vision and see only the gaming part.

Also, being a progamer is not just about skill. Don't forget, in this business you are an entertainer. Think professional wrestling minus the fixed matches. You can only last if people see in your play something they never see anywhere else. However, if you just can't perform, there are so many different roles that need to be filled for this whole business to work. Not everybody can be a performer. Doesn't mean other people are unimportant, just take a look at Xeris.
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
Sp1der
Profile Joined August 2011
United States96 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-27 00:43:39
October 27 2011 00:41 GMT
#32
swede,would you have the same opinion of professional athletetes? or is it different because they are playing a teamsport and interacting with people? i mean, they dont seem to contribute to society in anyway based on what you said. if anything they get paid too much. but i have a hard time beleiving that this game is just a big waste of time with no meaning. esports is only just beginning and i think people like day9, tasteless, artosis, boxer etc.. are people who did make a difference and they are making it possible for people to play a game we love on a more professional level as a sport and a growing phenomenon. i think being a pro gamer is more then just sitting in your room all day by yourself and playing starcraft. its the events, interactions with fans, barcrafts, hard practice, teamwork with teamattes, and the passion that is driving the game to be so succesful.
"If I don't sweat again today, I will be crying tears tomorrow"
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-27 00:51:46
October 27 2011 00:48 GMT
#33
Conclusion of all the previous comments: Make the right choice, However, only make it when you analyze both sides in full detail and the right path is clear, not only to you, but to those who will support you as well. No support = No Profit Support=Profit.

First of all, before clicking that spoiler please clear your mind of negative thoughts in your head and accept what I have to say neutrally, rather than aggressively(with determination) going towards what you currently believe is right.

+ Show Spoiler +
Ideas of my own: Make a T-chart and put "Going Pro" on one side and "Not going pro but considering another,safer approach" or "Healing without High Risk of further injury" etc. on the other side. List on each side the pros of going that way. Ask your friends and family for pros of each side as they see it, but request no cons of either. Finally, consider this: Your family and friends may not always be the nicest of people, but they do care for you, and they do want the best for you. Your family knows you for the entirety of your life and know more about you than even you know. Your mother watches you progress through life and notice that in your first post you say "my mom says i would often spend hours setting them up and creating battlefields." this alone shows that your mother knows more about you than you do. She remembers this and says this. When she gives you advice your past is always in her mind. She knows how you tackle situations and knows just how stubborn you really are. Your parents know of past mistakes both you and they have made. They don't want them repeated, and I don't think you do either. For all you know, your best friends may have once had this same thought about a favorite video game but chose not to follow this dream because they dreamt even bigger things they could do, something to impact the real world, not just the virtual world. Consider these words of which were made for you.
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
tryummm
Profile Joined August 2009
774 Posts
October 27 2011 01:36 GMT
#34
Keep following your dreams, I love that quote at the top of your post. Also I found the part about you watching your cousin play hilarious.

I would recommend, however, seeing a doctor and getting a practical recovery plan created by a professional. This will help minimize your recovery time and maximize the probability of a full recovery. Also, if someone really bad happened to your arm, the sooner the problem is identified higher chances you can correct the problem.
Swede
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand853 Posts
October 27 2011 03:34 GMT
#35
On October 27 2011 09:41 Sp1der wrote:
swede,would you have the same opinion of professional athletetes? or is it different because they are playing a teamsport and interacting with people? i mean, they dont seem to contribute to society in anyway based on what you said. if anything they get paid too much. but i have a hard time beleiving that this game is just a big waste of time with no meaning. esports is only just beginning and i think people like day9, tasteless, artosis, boxer etc.. are people who did make a difference and they are making it possible for people to play a game we love on a more professional level as a sport and a growing phenomenon. i think being a pro gamer is more then just sitting in your room all day by yourself and playing starcraft. its the events, interactions with fans, barcrafts, hard practice, teamwork with teamattes, and the passion that is driving the game to be so succesful.


I feel exactly the same about professional athletes in reference them to being non-contributory (unless they're giving significant amounts to charity... which most aren't).

You probably see things differently than I do. I don't buy the modern philosophy that individual happiness should be the only goal. I really can't be bothered going into a lot of detail since that isn't what this thread is about.

But basically, yes, I think this game is just a big waste of time with no meaning. In my opinion its utility should extend no further than something to relax with in your spare time.
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
October 27 2011 05:41 GMT
#36
GL! Hope you achieve your dreams ^_^!
Sp1der
Profile Joined August 2011
United States96 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-27 15:28:50
October 27 2011 15:28 GMT
#37
On October 27 2011 10:36 tryummm wrote:
Keep following your dreams, I love that quote at the top of your post. Also I found the part about you watching your cousin play hilarious.

I would recommend, however, seeing a doctor and getting a practical recovery plan created by a professional. This will help minimize your recovery time and maximize the probability of a full recovery. Also, if someone really bad happened to your arm, the sooner the problem is identified higher chances you can correct the problem.



haha ty! and ya i am working on it with my therapist 4 sure
"If I don't sweat again today, I will be crying tears tomorrow"
Sp1der
Profile Joined August 2011
United States96 Posts
October 27 2011 15:31 GMT
#38
On October 27 2011 12:34 Swede wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 09:41 Sp1der wrote:
swede,would you have the same opinion of professional athletetes? or is it different because they are playing a teamsport and interacting with people? i mean, they dont seem to contribute to society in anyway based on what you said. if anything they get paid too much. but i have a hard time beleiving that this game is just a big waste of time with no meaning. esports is only just beginning and i think people like day9, tasteless, artosis, boxer etc.. are people who did make a difference and they are making it possible for people to play a game we love on a more professional level as a sport and a growing phenomenon. i think being a pro gamer is more then just sitting in your room all day by yourself and playing starcraft. its the events, interactions with fans, barcrafts, hard practice, teamwork with teamattes, and the passion that is driving the game to be so succesful.


I feel exactly the same about professional athletes in reference them to being non-contributory (unless they're giving significant amounts to charity... which most aren't).

You probably see things differently than I do. I don't buy the modern philosophy that individual happiness should be the only goal. I really can't be bothered going into a lot of detail since that isn't what this thread is about.

But basically, yes, I think this game is just a big waste of time with no meaning. In my opinion its utility should extend no further than something to relax with in your spare time.



ya we have different opinions but ive heard your arguement before. alot of people in my family feel the same way you do. i disagree with them but i understand where they are coming from.
"If I don't sweat again today, I will be crying tears tomorrow"
Sp1der
Profile Joined August 2011
United States96 Posts
October 28 2011 18:30 GMT
#39
On October 27 2011 14:41 0123456789 wrote:
GL! Hope you achieve your dreams ^_^!



thanks man!
"If I don't sweat again today, I will be crying tears tomorrow"
Sp1der
Profile Joined August 2011
United States96 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 23:53:09
October 30 2011 23:52 GMT
#40
On October 27 2011 09:37 Celial wrote:
Well, you have the right attitude to succeed. The question is, should you? While I think that it is right - no matter whether there is Starcraft or not - to heal your wrist at any cost, having tunnel vision on the "progamer" thing just sounds wrong. You love the game, I got that. But you don't have to be a player to be a part of this world. You said you are studying VODs and replays and stuff and learn while you can't play. Do it verbal and fraps it. Put it on Youtube. Get feedback. Keep as many doors open as possible - why not being the first professional coach in Starcraft, a caster or a commentator? Leading your own team, discovering talent and coaching them? Setting up small tournaments? There are so many possibilities in this day and age, don't get tunnel vision and see only the gaming part.

Also, being a progamer is not just about skill. Don't forget, in this business you are an entertainer. Think professional wrestling minus the fixed matches. You can only last if people see in your play something they never see anywhere else. However, if you just can't perform, there are so many different roles that need to be filled for this whole business to work. Not everybody can be a performer. Doesn't mean other people are unimportant, just take a look at Xeris.





i like the idea of streaming my study time and doing it verbal. ill propably start doing that when my hands feel strong. (maybe 2 months or so)

update: i have been icing and heating 2 times a day and stretching a ton. im starting to feel progress in flexibility. pain is still there but it is getting better everyday. i am going to doctor tomorrow for check up and maybe some anti-immflamatory medication. interested to hear what doc has to say, will let you guys know.
"If I don't sweat again today, I will be crying tears tomorrow"
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