EPTOn October 25 2011 09:21 Lemonwalrus wrote:
This was thread-worthy?
This was thread-worthy?
Given the state of the blog section...
Steve Jobs Biography - Defaced in Japan - Page 3
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thedeadhaji
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On October 25 2011 09:22 thedeadhaji wrote: You were saying? http://hkmurakami.com/post/11516197707/ritchie What I said still stand, I even bolded if for you. Otherwise I can't read Japanese and you didn't post it on TL. | ||
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thedeadhaji
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Most of you beg to differ. Isn't that the whole point of me writing this? Some of you are saying "what the hell is the point of this blog post", but what exactly would the point of a blog post be if everyone wholeheartedly agreed with it??? | ||
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Probe1
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I mean I'm all for not speaking ill of the dead but.. whoa man. A) It's a book cover it should mean a pretty awful book if you adhere to the adage. b) I'm sure it's a rather short sided and selective reading of Jobs successes and none of the behavior that drove the other Steve away. I like you a lot haji you're one of the coolest doods on TL but I'm afraid we completely disagree over the importance of both book covers (unless some form of censorship is involved rather than creative differences) and the importance of Steve Jobs and trendy consumer items. Love, Probe1 | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
Some of you are saying "what the hell is the point of this blog post", but what exactly would the point of a blog post be if everyone wholeheartedly agreed with it??? That's why I gave the only thought out response to a blog today in yours ^_^ | ||
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Froadac
United States6733 Posts
On October 25 2011 08:19 thedeadhaji wrote: Added image with "cover strip" to op. To those of you who claim that this is just a small detail that doesn't matter - have you forgotten that the very subject of this book is a guy who was incredibly anal about the most minute of details? This book is his (and the cover is the only part that Jobs had any influence on), and this Japanese publisher completely shat on him. I really couldn't care less. The man was brilliant with marketing. If a publisher which buys the book wants to change it, then they can. Nobody would care if it was Bill Gates. | ||
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thedeadhaji
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On October 25 2011 09:26 Otolia wrote: What I said still stand, I even bolded if for you. Otherwise I can't read Japanese and you didn't post it on TL. Fwiw I do agree with you on the bolded part. (I'd probably never own only an apple machine for this reason) I signed the FSF petition against the Windows 8 bios certification thing as well for this reason. I don't crosspost everything I write onto TL, but needless to say I was immensely disappointed by the coverage of Ritche's passing (perhaps even more so because I have had the chance to talk with Brian Kernighan about software patents several years ago when I was a student) | ||
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thedeadhaji
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On October 25 2011 09:30 Probe1 wrote: That's why I gave the only thought out response to a blog today in yours ^_^  | ||
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Spiffeh
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SonuvBob
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On October 25 2011 09:21 thedeadhaji wrote: I'll willingly subject myself to criticism if it means 1% of the viewers has even an inkling of a critical thought as a result of my writing. We are the 99%!!! RAHRAHARHARHARRR!! + Show Spoiler + On a serious note, I think the minimalist cover is perfect for Jobs, so I've got to agree about them being out of touch. It's a little insulting to him to fuck with it, but.. whatever. How popular are Apple products in Japan, btw? | ||
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mucker
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thedeadhaji
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On October 25 2011 09:43 SonuvBob wrote: We are the 99%!!! RAHRAHARHARHARRR!! + Show Spoiler + On a serious note, I think the minimalist cover is perfect for Jobs, so I've got to agree about them being out of touch. It's a little insulting to him to fuck with it, but.. whatever. How popular are Apple products in Japan, btw? My friend who is a designer in Tokyo wrote, "While there is a population of Apple fans in the States who have been with the company through thick and thin for 20+ years, it is safe to say that the vast majority of people who are aware of Apple in Japan were 'converted' not even at the introduction of the iMac, but only after the iPhone" That sums it up pretty well. P.S. - biting sense of humor as always, Bob  | ||
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thedeadhaji
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On October 25 2011 09:49 mucker wrote: If it meant that much they should have negotiated what the cover was going to look like before they sold the publishing rights. That's what Steve Jobs would have done... if anyone is disgracing his memory it is the US publisher selling the rights to his book first and worrying about what it will look like after. Very good point, didn't consider that at all, thanks. | ||
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Serejai
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Chimpalimp
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On October 25 2011 09:28 thedeadhaji wrote: Btw, I (and some others) think that this matters. Most of you beg to differ. Isn't that the whole point of me writing this? Some of you are saying "what the hell is the point of this blog post", but what exactly would the point of a blog post be if everyone wholeheartedly agreed with it??? My 2 cents: If your writing just to show differences in opinion, I find it fairly pointless. Its like the media only reporting on stories that excite and wow people so that said people will tune in more often, instead of stories that are actually valuable and important. You are more or less attracting people to your blog post by throwing out a topic that would blatantly stir up controversy. That being said, if it wasn't the sole purpose of your blog maybe I would be more considerate of your interpretation of the cropping. EDIT: typo | ||
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thedeadhaji
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On October 25 2011 09:55 Chimpalimp wrote: My 2 cents: If your writing just to show differences in opinion, I find it fairly pointless. Its like the media only reporting on stories that excite and wow people so that said people will tune in more often, instead of stories that are actually valuable and important. You are more or less attracting people to your blog post by throwing out a topic that would blatantly stir up controversy. That being said, if it wasn't the sole purpose of your blog maybe I would be on considerate of your interpretation of the cropping. My intention, at least, is to inform the users here that a certain publisher has taken "Creative liberty" with this certain publication, which can be seen in many people's eyes as a disrespect for the very subject of the book being published. (ex: how many of you knew that the cover was substantially different in different countries?) Next, the reader can choose to either accept my argument that this is a terrible move by the publisher, or reject my claim. I think that the people who have taken the time to explain why they don't consider this to be a major misstep have constructively contributed to the discussion. (i.e. the position that a redesign that increases the exposure of the book being accepted by Steve Jobs, is at the very least a very valid argument - though one that is ripe for argumentation) As for the people who simply left "not a big deal", without even explaining their thoughts, I'm not sure what they're looking for in a blog post. | ||
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Froadac
United States6733 Posts
1) The japanese cover looks stupiod 2) It isn't what Jobs probably wanted 3) I don't think it should have been done 4) I don't care it was done. | ||
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FreudianTrip
Switzerland1983 Posts
If maximizing profits meant a less perfect product, Jobs would choose less profits every time. Tell that to iTunes, iMac, Airbook Pro, etc. etc. etc. The deification of Steve Jobs is the greatest trick Apple ever pulled. edit: As a graphic designer I fucking hate the original cover anyway. Seems like the people have gone "Jesus Christ, his heads too fucking big I can't fit any type anywhere." to which all graphic designers know the answer is,"Shove it in in Helvetica, send them an invoice, lets go get beer!" | ||
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koreasilver
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iSometric
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On October 25 2011 09:53 Serejai wrote: Shame on you, Haji. Didn't anyone ever tell you not to judge a book by its cover!? A perfect response to anything dealing with book covers, this is.indeed. | ||
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