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United States24768 Posts
On September 25 2011 03:13 KazeHydra wrote:
I'm not trying to generalize all teachers, of course. But the fact that some portion of teachers are willing to pass students who clearly are not prepared to go to the next level needs to stop.
Why do you think some teachers go to such lengths to assure students they couldn't get to perform well still pass? It's a tricky issue.
If I'm given a group of students that I believe to be a 'terrible crop' where I know I can only get some of them to perform at the necessary level to go on to the next level, nobody will believe me when I say this. If I try to make this claim I will get blamed as a bad teacher. My choices are to do whatever it takes to make sure more students pass, or stick to my guns and get punished/fired/whatever.
Of course a teacher can not do their job well, and that can be the reason why students don't perform well, but that's not all the time.
Most federal programs in the past decade or two have been trying to eliminate the 'passing on' of students who aren't sufficiently ready are actually adding fuel to the fire rather than putting it out.
On September 25 2011 03:16 marttorn wrote:
So lemme get this shit straight
Titanic discovered North America in 1992 (right around the time Nirvana were in their prime!)
But Columbus (whoever the fuck that is!) discovered it earlier, more accurately 2050bc.
Meanwhile, Darwin is out discovering pressure.
History man. Can't argue with it.
It wasn't the same student for each question necessarily fyi.
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On September 25 2011 03:17 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 03:13 KazeHydra wrote:
I'm not trying to generalize all teachers, of course. But the fact that some portion of teachers are willing to pass students who clearly are not prepared to go to the next level needs to stop. Why do you think some teachers go to such lengths to assure students they couldn't get to perform well still pass? It's a tricky issue. If I'm given a group of students that I believe to be a 'terrible crop' where I know I can only get some of them to perform at the necessary level to go on to the next level, nobody will believe me when I say this. If I try to make this claim I will get blamed as a bad teacher. My choices are to do whatever it takes to make sure more students pass, or stick to my guns and get punished/fired/whatever. Of course a teacher can not do their job well, and that can be the reason why students don't perform well, but that's not all the time. Most federal programs in the past decade or two have been trying to eliminate the 'passing on' of students who aren't sufficiently ready are actually adding fuel to the fire rather than putting it out.
Yeah I do realize that more often than not, it's more of a political and administrative issue rather than a teacher issue, and it's not like I can just ask all teachers to risk their jobs in hopes that will fix our education system because it won't. My mistake in trying to make it sound too simple and teacher dependent when it really isn't. I just can't believe some, even if they are a small minority, teachers honestly don't worry about passing these unprepared students.
On the other hand, I've seen a good number of teachers who do stick to their guns and will fail any student they know is not ready. I don't know what or if they receive punishment or are kept with lower pay or something, but at least we still have these teachers who are willing to risk their jobs like this.
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United States24768 Posts
On September 25 2011 03:37 KazeHydra wrote:
On the other hand, I've seen a good number of teachers who do stick to their guns and will fail any student they know is not ready. I don't know what or if they receive punishment or are kept with lower pay or something, but at least we still have these teachers who are willing to risk their jobs like this.
These tend to be the teachers with tenure. The ones without tenure pass almost everyone.
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On September 25 2011 03:40 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 03:37 KazeHydra wrote:
On the other hand, I've seen a good number of teachers who do stick to their guns and will fail any student they know is not ready. I don't know what or if they receive punishment or are kept with lower pay or something, but at least we still have these teachers who are willing to risk their jobs like this. These tend to be the teachers with tenure. The ones without tenure pass almost everyone.
Okay, that actually makes a lot of sense now. Well, good luck with your future work. I'm sure it's frustrating at times, but it's thanks to teachers like you that we at least have an education system, however problematic it may be.
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Q) A students walks with a speed of 2 m/s for 5 s. How far did she walk?
A) v=d/t = 5/2 = 2.5m/s
WTF LOLLLL
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If I'm given a group of students that I believe to be a 'terrible crop' where I know I can only get some of them to perform at the necessary level to go on to the next level, nobody will believe me when I say this. If I try to make this claim I will get blamed as a bad teacher. My choices are to do whatever it takes to make sure more students pass, or stick to my guns and get punished/fired/whatever.
wait a sec. You could get fired for not letting students pass? What kind of logic is this?
Its the students fault if he/she cant pass,not the teacher. I feel for you
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Teachers get fired for failing students?
How exactly does this work?
O_o
I mean, I'd imagine there is some sort of paperwork/talking with parents/proof you may need to provide to both parents and administration, but I can't see how they could fire you over it
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On September 25 2011 04:46 Complete wrote:
Teachers get fired for failing students?
How exactly does this work?
O_o
I mean, I'd imagine there is some sort of paperwork/talking with parents/proof you may need to provide to both parents and administration, but I can't see how they could fire you over it
Just how the world has evolved.. this comic about sums it up.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jUm0q.gif)
Everyone's special and if they're failing, someone else is to blame. Obv.
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United States24768 Posts
On September 25 2011 04:46 Complete wrote:
Teachers get fired for failing students?
How exactly does this work?
O_o
I mean, I'd imagine there is some sort of paperwork/talking with parents/proof you may need to provide to both parents and administration, but I can't see how they could fire you over it Yes you do have to document everything and do 10000 things to defend yourself whenever a child doesn't earn 100% on every assignment for the whole year, or if you ever feel the need to give out any type of discipline.
But even if you do everything by the book it is usually considered the teacher's fault if many kids fail, regardless of any other circumstances. It makes you pray you get the 'good' class.
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On September 25 2011 07:07 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 04:46 Complete wrote:
Teachers get fired for failing students?
How exactly does this work?
O_o
I mean, I'd imagine there is some sort of paperwork/talking with parents/proof you may need to provide to both parents and administration, but I can't see how they could fire you over it Yes you do have to document everything and do 10000 things to defend yourself whenever a child doesn't earn 100% on every assignment for the whole year, or if you ever feel the need to give out any type of discipline. But even if you do everything by the book it is usually considered the teacher's fault if many kids fail, regardless of any other circumstances. It makes you pray you get the 'good' class.
are you allowed to hand out detentions and overload kids with homework? because if i was a teacher, that's what i would be doing. i wont give a shit if the kids hate my guts for doing that because it would be my fucking responsibility to make sure that they get educated properly
if i was an american i would be filing petitions to legalize corporal punishments in schools right now
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Coporal punishment seems a bit too far, anyway how often do teachers get angry parents all over them?In the Netherlands it does happen, however the case is usually extreme there(e.g the teacher is unable to speak dutch correctly and thus it is hard to understand the subject).
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United States24768 Posts
On September 25 2011 07:52 saltywet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 07:07 micronesia wrote:On September 25 2011 04:46 Complete wrote:
Teachers get fired for failing students?
How exactly does this work?
O_o
I mean, I'd imagine there is some sort of paperwork/talking with parents/proof you may need to provide to both parents and administration, but I can't see how they could fire you over it Yes you do have to document everything and do 10000 things to defend yourself whenever a child doesn't earn 100% on every assignment for the whole year, or if you ever feel the need to give out any type of discipline. But even if you do everything by the book it is usually considered the teacher's fault if many kids fail, regardless of any other circumstances. It makes you pray you get the 'good' class. are you allowed to hand out detentions and overload kids with homework? because if i was a teacher, that's what i would be doing. i wont give a shit if the kids hate my guts for doing that because it would be my fucking responsibility to make sure that they get educated properly if i was an american i would be filing petitions to legalize corporal punishments in schools right now
If you assign significantly more homework than kids are used to (only advanced students are used to a lot) then they simply won't do it and the parents will rarely make a difference on this front.
If you want to hand out detentions you can but you need to document everything carefully (including the things you did to try to prevent the need for detention in the first place) and if you give out a lot more than other teachers it makes you look bad in the eyes of the students, parents, and administrators (and possibly other teachers).
On September 25 2011 07:54 Kipsate wrote:
Coporal punishment seems a bit too far, anyway how often do teachers get angry parents all over them?In the Netherlands it does happen, however the case is usually extreme there(e.g the teacher is unable to speak dutch correctly and thus it is hard to understand the subject).
Depends on the school... in some places parent's don't care, in others they are unnecessarily down the teacher's throat. It's a real problem sometimes when you have insane parents.
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Do schools get more funding based on pass rate or does it determine how they allocate the budget? I know, at least with my district, there was so much focus on preparation for the STAR (state standardized exam) test, that really cut into our actual learning, but the school got more money based on the test pass rate so I understand it.
Are there any current movements for education reform you're aware of that might make your job easier in that aspect?
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wtf? what school in ny do you teach in?
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On September 23 2011 12:03 BlackJack wrote:
I feel bad for the person that missed the physics question. It looks like they were actually giving their best effort and they are just really bad at math (or really stupid)
Well, I don't think they are REALLY bad at math, since they did 5/2 and got 2.5. So at least that is right. Reading comprehension could use some work.
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I think I've written a lot worse answers than that. Sometimes if I have no clue what the answer is, I'll pick the most ridiculous one just because.
In paleontology one test, there was an essay question about something I had never heard about before, but it sounded like beer. So I had this 5 paragraph long spiel about how explorers found a fossilized beer keg, and how it showed that the discovery of alcohol coincided with the rise of humanity.
I doubt a lot of those answers were serious. Some wouldn't care and random-pick multiple choice answers. And the "math" one, just a matter of not reading it right. Maybe in a hurry or just looked too easy to bother caring?
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United States5162 Posts
This is why I could never be a teacher. Especially the multiple choice questions. I was able to sleep through high school and get a 3.5 because of multiple choice.
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On September 25 2011 10:16 DEN1ED wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 12:03 BlackJack wrote:
I feel bad for the person that missed the physics question. It looks like they were actually giving their best effort and they are just really bad at math (or really stupid) Well, I don't think they are REALLY bad at math, since they did 5/2 and got 2.5. So at least that is right. Reading comprehension could use some work.
LOL Bro, if they can't go through the process of thinking that the distance is going to be the speed times time... idk, there is a greeeeat problem with them, you don't even need to go through the formula to solve that...
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United States24768 Posts
Every year I have a few students make the same basic math mistake (these are 16-17 year olds who were considered able to take regular level physics (as opposed to an easier class like that ocean one I mentioned in the OP):
15 = 8 + 3*x
15 = 11*x
WHAT? DIDNT YOU LEARN ALGEBRA LOLOLOLOL!? /wrists
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I'm just a TA, bu I have university level students in my stats tutorial that can't tell me the number of the most frequent observation from a bar graph. I got so depressed marking those quizzes.
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