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susySquark
United States1692 Posts
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/d/d3/Banshee.png) The banshee has two rotors that provide lift, so there is no net torque on the aircraft. It shouldn't need a tail rotor. Helicopters with one rotor need a tail rotor, because the main one, in a classic, Newtonian way, wants to rotate the main body of the helicopter in the opposite direction of the rotor's rotation (equal and opposite reaction etc). ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/HH-65C_Dolphin.jpg/800px-HH-65C_Dolphin.jpg) If there are two main rotors, they can be made to rotate in opposite directions, cancelling out the toque... so there's no need for a tail rotor. ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Piasecki_H-21B_USAF.jpg/800px-Piasecki_H-21B_USAF.jpg)   | ||
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
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echO [W]
United States1495 Posts
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
On August 26 2011 06:33 echO [W] wrote: I'm bothered by the fact that Banshees have unlimited Rockets. that 2 shot workers. + Show Spoiler + and can remain cloaked even while shootings missles... | ||
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XXGeneration
United States625 Posts
On August 26 2011 06:33 echO [W] wrote: I'm bothered by the fact that Banshees have unlimited Rockets. I'm bothered by the fact that [unit] has unlimited [weapon]. | ||
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inlagdsil
Canada957 Posts
I've always been more bothered by the fact that a machine with rotors is supposed to fly in space. | ||
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DomiNater
United States527 Posts
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
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AwfulPlayer
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xYTzl.jpg) :r | ||
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n.DieJokes
United States3443 Posts
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AnxiousHippo
Australia1451 Posts
On August 26 2011 06:35 ReketSomething wrote: I thought this was going to be the subject of the blog. To be honest I don't think anyone notices how tue Banshee flies. Like Travis said, email them. that 2 shot workers. + Show Spoiler + and can remain cloaked even while shootings missles... | ||
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AnxiousHippo
Australia1451 Posts
On August 26 2011 06:40 AnxiousHippo wrote: I thought this was going to be the subject of the blog. Like Travis said, email them. User was warned for this post | ||
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aphorism
United States226 Posts
On August 26 2011 06:30 travis wrote: Email Blizzard and see how they reply IMO. While you're at it, ask why mutalisks need to flap their wings in space. | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5281 Posts
Like, the damage should decrease if you've been pounding a rock for 5 minutes straight.... | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
On August 26 2011 06:35 ReketSomething wrote: that 2 shot workers. + Show Spoiler + and can remain cloaked even while shootings missles... lol great posts, you guys win the thread.  | ||
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Sorter
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
it powers a microwave so that the banshee pilot can enjoy hot pockets, his favorite food. | ||
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Oboeman
Canada3980 Posts
A jet with 4 engines must be able to fly (for a certain distance) on one engine, which means its tail and rudder needs to be sized so that it can fly in a straight line with unbalanced thrust. Helicopters with multiple counter-rotating rotors are also designed so that in the event of one engine failure, both rotors can be driven by a single engine. This results in some pretty complicated mechanics, especially in a beast like the Osprey. So my assessment of the situation is that instead of cross-linking the two lift rotors so that both can be powered by a single engine in case of a failure, the engineers felt a tail rotor could provide sufficient torque to allow the banshee to fly in a straight line, counteracting the torque from the main operating rotor. Believe it or not, the tail rotor may have been the cheaper alternative of the two. Not only that, but the tail rotor is used for directional control. Some multi-rotor helicopters use differential torque for yaw control, but on the banshee this would also induce roll, and there's no room for cyclic rotor control inside the fenestrated rotors. A rudder would be sufficient at high speeds, but would not provide any maneuvrability at low speeds, which would be an incredibly poor design for a vehicle that has to stop to fire a missile. | ||
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
Also, don't Hydralisks throw needles out from the back of their spines or something? That is bullshit, where do they get so many goddamn needles? Are they heroin addicts???? Hmm... If you think of the units of zerg as different types of addicts it becomes a whole lot more interesting. | ||
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
On August 26 2011 06:54 kainzero wrote: it's not a tail rotor, it's a turbine. it powers a microwave so that the banshee pilot can enjoy hot pockets, his favorite food. But how does the turbine work in space? | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On August 26 2011 06:33 echO [W] wrote: I'm bothered by the fact that Banshees have unlimited Rockets. and they fly | ||
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Soluhwin
United States1287 Posts
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Tatari
United States1179 Posts
Marines/Marauders needing to reload. Tanks/hellions needing to refuel every now and then. Zerglings panting after running at 600mph. All biological units not getting hungry after a while. How mechanical units don't suffer from malfunction every now and then. etc. :/ | ||
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
Also, by that pic, it looks like there is some kind of back rotor... | ||
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LaughingTulkas
United States1107 Posts
On August 26 2011 06:36 XXGeneration wrote: I'm bothered by the fact that [unit] has unlimited [weapon]. Banelings? | ||
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FoeHamr
United States489 Posts
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micronesia
United States24676 Posts
On August 26 2011 06:55 Oboeman wrote: All multi-engined aircraft are designed to be able to fly in case of engine failures. A jet with 4 engines must be able to fly (for a certain distance) on one engine, which means its tail and rudder needs to be sized so that it can fly in a straight line with unbalanced thrust. Helicopters with multiple counter-rotating rotors are also designed so that in the event of one engine failure, both rotors can be driven by a single engine. This results in some pretty complicated mechanics, especially in a beast like the Osprey. So my assessment of the situation is that instead of cross-linking the two lift rotors so that both can be powered by a single engine in case of a failure, the engineers felt a tail rotor could provide sufficient torque to allow the banshee to fly in a straight line, counteracting the torque from the main operating rotor. Believe it or not, the tail rotor may have been the cheaper alternative of the two. Not only that, but the tail rotor is used for directional control. Some multi-rotor helicopters use differential torque for yaw control, but on the banshee this would also induce roll, and there's no room for cyclic rotor control inside the fenestrated rotors. A rudder would be sufficient at high speeds, but would not provide any maneuvrability at low speeds, which would be an incredibly poor design for a vehicle that has to stop to fire a missile. lol good post. OP: The rotor design of the banshee is very complicated and can't be compared to standard helicopters. It's a futuristic flying machine that utilizes the multiple rotors to perform more agile movements than modern helicopters can.... not to mention the obvious failure-defense benefits. | ||
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ChinaLifeXXL
United States365 Posts
On August 26 2011 06:45 niteReloaded wrote: I'm bothered by the fact that zerglings have unlimited claws WTF :S Like, the damage should decrease if you've been pounding a rock for 5 minutes straight.... Hitting those rocks like that should INCREASE the damage zerglings do. It's like, sharpening their claws on that rock, bro. Like how cats use scratching posts. Think about it. | ||
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forSeohyun
504 Posts
On August 26 2011 07:10 Soluhwin wrote: I'm bothered by the fact that Gauss rifles make a noise, as well as have shells. Do you even know what a Gauss rifle is blizzard? There isn't any need to case Gauss darts nor would there be any sound :'( Maybe they use explosives as a secondary or first propellant? Or use the coils for fast loading. But that doesn't explain how marines can shoot so fast without the barrel overheating (if explosives is used). They don't have to change magazines either! And where would the electrical energy come from if it was a true "gauss gun". Maybe the cartridges are just spent batteries The sound can be explained by the projectiles going supersonic. | ||
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Zestypasta
United States61 Posts
What's up with that? How does using a drug speed up the firing rate of your gun? | ||
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
On August 26 2011 07:33 Zestypasta wrote: Stimpack What's up with that? How does using a drug speed up the firing rate of your gun? It could be a semiautomatic and it increases the rate you pull your trigger. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On August 26 2011 07:10 Soluhwin wrote: I'm bothered by the fact that Gauss rifles make a noise, as well as have shells. Do you even know what a Gauss rifle is blizzard? There isn't any need to case Gauss darts nor would there be any sound :'( A Mag rail firearm would still make a lot of noise due to the projectile breaking the sound barrier, look at how much noise a silenced rifle makes with non subsonic ammo. | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6592 Posts
On August 26 2011 07:35 ReketSomething wrote: It could be a semiautomatic and it increases the rate you pull your trigger. Yep. when they take the stim they learn how to switch to full auto but still fire in controlled bursts obviously. lol Why can't we leave the flying DT's alone OP?!?! | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On August 26 2011 06:59 ReketSomething wrote: But how does the turbine work in space? it's powered by the microwave. | ||
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Soluhwin
United States1287 Posts
On August 26 2011 07:37 sob3k wrote: A Mag rail firearm would still make a lot of noise due to the projectile breaking the sound barrier, look at how much noise a silenced rifle makes with non subsonic ammo. But even then, it wouldn't be a rat-tat-tat-tat-tat, it would be more of a VOOOSH or something. On August 26 2011 07:14 Tatari wrote: I'm more surprised by the fact that you aren't surprised by... Marines/Marauders needing to reload. Tanks/hellions needing to refuel every now and then. Zerglings panting after running at 600mph. All biological units not getting hungry after a while. How mechanical units don't suffer from malfunction every now and then. etc. :/ Those are things that would affect game play, the aesthetics of a banshee would not. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
What if I lift off the starport? He's still flying the raven, he hasn't gone anywhere. What if, by chance, some asshole mutalisk kills the tech lab? THE RAVEN STILL WORKS! That guy must be living in the CC.. Also while I'm at it, why the hell are battlecruisers the size of 30ish marines? Apparently they can hold wraiths but those things are like 20% the size of the battle cruiser itself. What the hell? | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44271 Posts
On August 26 2011 06:43 aphorism wrote: While you're at it, ask why mutalisks need to flap their wings in space. How do they breathe! How do you nydus worm an island base on the space tileset o.O There's nothing connecting it underground... | ||
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oBlade
United States5581 Posts
On August 26 2011 07:14 TheAmazombie wrote: Mutalisks flap their wings in space... Also, by that pic, it looks like there is some kind of back rotor... Overlords probably still have no means of propulsion through any medium. | ||
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Lexpar
1813 Posts
On August 26 2011 07:46 floor exercise wrote: Gain 30 lbs, put on an ill fitting red golf shirt and present this evidence to them at Blizzcon And I bet that poor guy was just starting to think the internet had forgotten about him... | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
On August 26 2011 06:54 kainzero wrote: it's not a tail rotor, it's a turbine. it powers a microwave so that the banshee pilot can enjoy hot pockets, his favorite food. Banshee pilots are female. Your argument is undone. | ||
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StarStruck
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fruchtzergeis
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Mikilatov
United States3897 Posts
#1 There's far more unbelievable things in SC #2 Doesn't it have a tail rotor? edit: Oh I get your point now, OP. But wouldn't such a thing be used for speedy maneuvering? ![[image loading]](http://lh3.ggpht.com/_4MUf6T4VzPw/TUmOSsHHKUI/AAAAAAAAS7I/duXRODmkt74/starcraft-2-banshee-papercraft-003.jpg) | ||
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Soluhwin
United States1287 Posts
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Jonas :)
United States511 Posts
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
It's also possible that it is necessary to deal with certain gravational restrictions; given an environment with questionable gravity/gravational stability, a tail rotor could help immensely. upon further thought, you can also ensure stability under all wind directions (not necessarily conditions, as your fans would still have max speed characteristics). | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
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Kaonis
United States243 Posts
If the second is true then I fuckin' hate those things ]:| | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
On August 26 2011 07:27 ChinaLifeXXL wrote: Hitting those rocks like that should INCREASE the damage zerglings do. It's like, sharpening their claws on that rock, bro. Like how cats use scratching posts. Think about it. Woooow.... I want Void Ray Zerglings! | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
I think zerglings should starve to death unless you feed them marines or gas or lyotes EDIT: oh man thats a great idea, after a while they would all start to lose health and you'd have to pick one unlucky ling for them to cannibalize! | ||
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BrogMaN
United States108 Posts
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novabossa
United States350 Posts
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mizU
United States12125 Posts
On August 26 2011 09:35 novabossa wrote: 2 zerglings are born from a single egg. Does this mean every zergling has/had a twin? Correct, identicals. | ||
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Helios.Star
United States548 Posts
On August 26 2011 06:53 windsupernova wrote: How do they fly on space? The tail rotor lets them fly in space I wonder if the other one feels when his twin dies or turns into a baneling. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
I think zerglings should get an attack speed buff when fighting next to their twin | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On August 26 2011 09:51 sob3k wrote: I think zerglings should get an attack speed buff when fighting next to their twin When marines get into large groups, they should automatically start setting up a camp and have shifts on watch while the others sleep | ||
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GigaFlop
United States1146 Posts
On August 26 2011 08:03 oBlade wrote: Overlords probably still have no means of propulsion through any medium. They push themselves through the air with the dangly claws | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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novabossa
United States350 Posts
On August 26 2011 10:39 Cyber_Cheese wrote: When marines get into large groups, they should automatically start setting up a camp and have shifts on watch while the others sleep Not only do they need sleep, but don't they also need to pee? I mean...how does that work? These are all important questions that Blizzard needs to address! | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On August 26 2011 06:43 aphorism wrote: While you're at it, ask why mutalisks need to flap their wings in space. They propel gas and push it back no? | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
Could come close to Broodwar in terms of being hard to play. Not as hard, but close. | ||
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Mobius_1
United Kingdom2763 Posts
On August 26 2011 11:35 mTw|NarutO wrote: I really want someone to create a custom map 'Realistic Starcraft' with all laws of physic etc... We will see starvation, aircrafts crash into mountains etc... Could come close to Broodwar in terms of being hard to play. Not as hard, but close. Can't think of anything more hilarious than a bunch of Banelings rolling into a ball of Marines only they are tired from rolling and must sleep, and the Marines have to reload, and the Tanks behind them are out of fuel, and the Mutalisks' Glaives bounce off Tanks' armour. THAT would seriously screw with the metagame. :D | ||
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Mobius_1
United Kingdom2763 Posts
On August 26 2011 11:32 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: They propel gas and push it back no? I believe he's talking about the cutscenes and stuff where Mutalisks fly from planet to planet in the void, and there ain't no gas in space, sir. | ||
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susySquark
United States1692 Posts
Banshee's tail rotor isn't for failure prevention. If an engine fails you have bigger problems: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CkXZA.jpg) Plus, it'd have to be off during normal flight if its being since it'd torque your previously static system...startup / wind down time probably too much for it to be useful for maneuvering anyways. | ||
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Sotamursu
Finland612 Posts
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susySquark
United States1692 Posts
On August 26 2011 14:26 Sotamursu wrote: How does an SCV repair a battlecruiser with a drill when the BC is 500 meters up in the air? Guys, the point isn't that its not realistic... the point is that they TRIED to be realistic and got it wrong anyways! | ||
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5iey7.png) In the above picture, how do the lurker spines get through the wall to hit the ultralisk? Is it just a shitty wall with no real foundation. Also, could you please explain why I have 8k minerals with 10 food, complete map vision, and am attacking my own unit? I just dont quite understand. Thank you. Edit: + Show Spoiler + Yes, Mr. guy above me, I get it. And I'm not poking fun at the OP either. I just need help.  | ||
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impression
413 Posts
On August 26 2011 10:41 GigaFlop wrote: They push themselves through the air with the dangly claws If you have your graphics on high you can see overlords 'expel gas through their rear ends' which propels them forward  | ||
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Crazyeyes
Canada1342 Posts
Surley after a few farts whatever gas is keeping them afloat (they're like biological zepplins, right? thats the closest thing that could make any sense) would start to run out . . . | ||
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vanhio
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
On August 26 2011 20:19 Crazyeyes wrote: Where does the gas come from, then? WHat keeps them in the air? Surley after a few farts whatever gas is keeping them afloat (they're like biological zepplins, right? thats the closest thing that could make any sense) would start to run out . . . You just haven't had one of THOSE burritos, if you catch my drift. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.blogcdn.com/www.asylum.com/media/2010/10/red-shirt-guy-294-ec102810.jpg) This is all I can think about when I read the OP. | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
On August 26 2011 11:55 Mobius_1 wrote: Can't think of anything more hilarious than a bunch of Banelings rolling into a ball of Marines only they are tired from rolling and must sleep, and the Marines have to reload, and the Tanks behind them are out of fuel, and the Mutalisks' Glaives bounce off Tanks' armour. THAT would seriously screw with the metagame. :D You research burrow, and the Zerg takes about 5 mins to make the hole, jumps into it and covers itself up. Plus roaches with burrowed movement lift up any units the claw under, thus giving the lifted units high ground status for a second. Also, you have to make a dark shrine, warp in a DT and get it killed before you can get a Stalker | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
On August 26 2011 14:26 Sotamursu wrote: How does an SCV repair a battlecruiser with a drill when the BC is 500 meters up in the air? Just who the hell do you think he is?! His drill is the drill that will pierce the heavens! | ||
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Sotamursu
Finland612 Posts
On August 26 2011 20:19 Crazyeyes wrote: Where does the gas come from, then? WHat keeps them in the air? Surley after a few farts whatever gas is keeping them afloat (they're like biological zepplins, right? thats the closest thing that could make any sense) would start to run out . . . That ain't even hard to answer, bro. Obviously there's bacteria inside them that produces gas, then they use that gas as a fuel for a biological jet engine. Kinda like a squid does with water. Since overlords are herbivores, they just eat trees they happen to pass over. Decaying plant matter = gas. Why do you think they're always over trees in maps like tal'darim or shattered temple? | ||
conTAgi0n
United States335 Posts
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Sotamursu
Finland612 Posts
On August 26 2011 23:47 conTAgi0n wrote: Why is it that when you finish researching an upgrade, all previously built units, no matter where they are on the map, instantly have the new upgrade? Do marines already have the stimpacks with them before the upgrade but refuse to use them for example? The research time is actually measuring the time a cloaked pack of highly trained monkeys take to distribute stimpacks to every bio unit. | ||
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susySquark
United States1692 Posts
On August 26 2011 21:46 Zorkmid wrote: This is all I can think about when I read the OP. If I weren't a tall, skinny, dark-ish Asian, that'd totally be me. Also, this post was meant in complete jest, as opposed to poor redshirt's dismantling of Blizzard lore. | ||
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