EPTMy take on Rolling Random and the Blind Advantage - Page 3
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
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chaokel
Australia535 Posts
On August 21 2011 22:54 Liquid`Drone wrote: man look at the amount of random players in high level tournaments there are NONE. tlo has occasionally randomed, but has mostly been picking race. so it's like, maybe 1/3 of 1 player out of the top 300 or whatever, randoms. knowing this, and thinking that randoming gives you an advantage bigger than the disadvantage gotten from having to learn all three races, is really really stupid. and randoming is just as much a cheese-defense as it is a cheese-opportunity anyway - I myself started randoming in bw because I was tired of playing vs bbs in zvt - once you random, you force your opponent into opening with a relatively standard opening geared towards a regular mid-game, rather than some timed BO that either kills you or dies in the first 4 minutes. going random and then chessing is honestly really stupid, because so many players expect it from a random player. Summed up my thoughts exactly. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On August 21 2011 22:54 Liquid`Drone wrote: man look at the amount of random players in high level tournaments there are NONE. tlo has occasionally randomed, but has mostly been picking race. so it's like, maybe 1/3 of 1 player out of the top 300 or whatever, randoms. knowing this, and thinking that randoming gives you an advantage bigger than the disadvantage gotten from having to learn all three races, is really really stupid. and randoming is just as much a cheese-defense as it is a cheese-opportunity anyway - I myself started randoming in bw because I was tired of playing vs bbs in zvt - once you random, you force your opponent into opening with a relatively standard opening geared towards a regular mid-game, rather than some timed BO that either kills you or dies in the first 4 minutes. going random and then chessing is honestly really stupid, because so many players expect it from a random player. Using random to be able to pull of a greedy build is really cheesy. Anyone who doesn't see this is really really stupid. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28738 Posts
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Iyerbeth
England2410 Posts
On August 22 2011 01:43 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: Using random to be able to pull of a greedy build is really cheesy. Anyone who doesn't see this is really really stupid. Granted, but is this a discussion about removing cheese from the game now? | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On August 22 2011 02:06 Iyerbeth wrote: Granted, but is this a discussion about removing cheese from the game now? I quoted a user for a reason. I believe the discussion was about the potential imbalance of choosing random. If I'm saying that being random can give you an advantage whether you cheese or play really greedy, how am I trying to say that cheese should be removed from the game? I'm really confused by your post. | ||
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Iyerbeth
England2410 Posts
On August 22 2011 02:21 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: I quoted a user for a reason. I believe the discussion was about the potential imbalance of choosing random. If I'm saying that being random can give you an advantage whether you cheese or play really greedy, how am I trying to say that cheese should be removed from the game? I'm really confused by your post. Having re-read your post I quoted repeatedly I'm still having trouble seeing it as anything but my original interpretation but given your response I'm assuming then that you have mean it's stupid to use random for any form of early game advantage but that it's not imbalanced and thus doesn't need to be changed. If that's what you meant, then I appologise for minsunderstanding. | ||
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Myrkskog
Canada481 Posts
The only reason I didn't play random in Broodwar is because everyone on Iccup was a bunch of whiners who would ban me if I didn't pick a race in the menu. Thank god they don't have that luxury in SC2. What right does anyone have to tell me how I should spend my $60? Selfish assholes. The people who complain about random are the ones who have delusions that they are actually any good at this game and think that their 2000 masters rank means something. It doesn't. Unless you are 25+ grandmasters rank you are terrible, the sooner you realize this the sooner you can actually start enjoying the game and we can stop seeing all the "I am not enjoying SC2 but I have to keep playing because I am kidding myself into thinking I am MC" posts. Get over it. | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:04 Myrkskog wrote: The people who complain about random are the ones who have delusions that they are actually any good at this game and think that their 2000 masters rank means something. It doesn't. Unless you are 25+ grandmasters rank you are terrible, the sooner you realize this the sooner you can actually start enjoying the game and we can stop seeing all the "I am not enjoying SC2 but I have to keep playing because I am kidding myself into thinking I am MC" posts. lol I just love this mentality people have. "If you aren't in the top 0.0001% of players then you are terrible!" Give me a fucking break. Try using a standard of terrible that the rest of the planet uses, please. Go tell an International Master at chess that they are terrible because they aren't GM. | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6593 Posts
On August 22 2011 04:03 jdseemoreglass wrote: lol I just love this mentality people have. "If you aren't in the top 0.0001% of players then you are terrible!" Give me a fucking break. Try using a standard of terrible that the rest of the planet uses, please. Go tell an International Master at chess that they are terrible because they aren't GM. Agree completely. OP... you try playing random in masters and tell me the amount of effort and time doesn't deserve some kind of benefit. I admire random players as my T and Z are far below my P and I doubt that will change in the near future. I admire good R players to a certain extent. | ||
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Myrkskog
Canada481 Posts
On August 22 2011 04:03 jdseemoreglass wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2011 03:04 Myrkskog wrote: The people who complain about random are the ones who have delusions that they are actually any good at this game and think that their 2000 masters rank means something. It doesn't. Unless you are 25+ grandmasters rank you are terrible, the sooner you realize this the sooner you can actually start enjoying the game and we can stop seeing all the "I am not enjoying SC2 but I have to keep playing because I am kidding myself into thinking I am MC" posts. lol I just love this mentality people have. "If you aren't in the top 0.0001% of players then you are terrible!" Give me a fucking break. Try using a standard of terrible that the rest of the planet uses, please. Go tell an International Master at chess that they are terrible because they aren't GM. Look at any live report thread. You will constantly see people saying that the top tier players are playing horribly because they mis-micro'd or built up the wrong unit composition. Are these Code S players playing terribly? No. They are playing amazing, but this is the skill scale that the StarCraft community has collectively adopted. If you don't like how this community gauges its participants, go play chess. Way to sidestep and ignore the real debate by latching onto the one subjective element. Stop trying to derail the thread and go troll somewhere else. | ||
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naggerNZ
New Zealand708 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:04 Myrkskog wrote: I play StarCraft 2 for fun. I play random because I find all 3 races fun to play and I think limiting myself to a third of the game by picking a race is stupid. Why don't I just pick a different race every time? Because I enjoy the fact that I don't know what I will be playing and it adds to the excitement of the game for me. As such, sometimes I spawn with a slight advantage, and sometimes I spawn with a disadvantage. But that doesn't matter to me, why? Because it's a game that I play for fun. Would your excitement be diminished in any way by finding out your race at the loading screen rather than the game start? No. Would it make the game simpler and less stressful for your opponents? Yes. You were so quick to wade in and call everyone a bunch of e-penis bearing posers that you entirely missed the point. Have fun cheesing your way through Silver league. | ||
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