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On August 17 2011 11:13 Sc1pio wrote:
I don't get all this discussion about EG not being able to develop players and not caring about player development and only PR when they just spend all this money on a house in AZ and now are spending money to ship three players to Korea to live together. If anything, they're the only foreign team (besides Liquid) that seems to be caring about player development at this point.
Regardless of whether they care about player development, so far they havent developed any top notch players. Idra rode of the mechanics he had from BW and now has been underperforming for a good 4-5 months. None of their other players have any notable acheivments aside from players they have bought in the past 2 months.
We will see what becomes of their players in the future, even puma doesnt seem up to his normal game , mana took him out pretty easily at IEM last night. I think its a safe assumption that puma's play has deteriorated a bit since he left TSL. And at least for puma, its not going to do him much good living in a house with 2 other guys who dont speak his language. At least at the OGS TL house alot of the korean players have taken the time to try and learn english.
So until something changes and we see a some improvment (not deterioration) in either their top players (puma , huk) or their mid level players i would say they havent done a very good job with player development as of yet.
Edit: also only have 1 player from each race in a house, may be good for practicing matchups (cept mirror matches) but it wont be great for strategizing, before huk had alot of top level protoss players to talk to about strategies etc, as did puma. Now what do they have?
Regardless of whether Huk thinks that OGS will still train with him the same way, or puma thinks that TSL will still train with him. For the most part that wont be the case, those guys are gonna be busy with their own stuff and im sure some of them feel a little bit betrayed. Pro teams have to look after their own players first, including in house rankings, preparing players who make it deep in the GSL, coming up with team specific strategies that they WILL NOT share with anyone outside the team.
Honestly aside from maybe playing a few games with huk/ puma to help them with a strat they are having trouble with i doubt many players from their old teams will give them anywhere near the same support practice wise, they're on their own for the most part.
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On August 17 2011 23:34 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 09:42 Rekrul wrote:
Good luck to HuK in the future. And more importantly good luck to EG because only having two talented players on your team isn't going to win you any super bowl rings.
P.S. TLO is a pimp. LOOOOL after all these years you still hate Idra.
I think it was a fair statement. Idra hasnt produced any impressive results in the past 5 months aside from IPL (wich was only north american for the first season , so i dont even consider it that impressive)
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lol why would I be on Huk's nuts.
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They are very comfortable to sit on. Rekrul just wants them for himself.
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Only 2 talented players on EG?
Demu getting overlooked again. 
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On August 19 2011 15:19 Executor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 23:34 Condor Hero wrote:On August 17 2011 09:42 Rekrul wrote:
Good luck to HuK in the future. And more importantly good luck to EG because only having two talented players on your team isn't going to win you any super bowl rings.
P.S. TLO is a pimp. LOOOOL after all these years you still hate Idra. I think it was a fair statement. Idra hasnt produced any impressive results in the past 5 months aside from IPL (wich was only north american for the first season , so i dont even consider it that impressive)
I guess that means Huk wasn't talented a few months ago, since he hadn't won anything at that time. You can't base everything purely off of what competitions someone has won lately, as there are a lot of factors that can contribute to a title victory/defeat.
Idra was the highest placing foreigner at Columbus only very narrowly didn't get that in Anaheim, I think it's pretty unfair to say that he hasn't been performing well just because he doesn't have any 1st place victories when he's still showing relatively consistent top8 placings in tournaments dominated by Koreans. Not to mention Huk, Jinro, etc. got to practice alongside MC and co. while Idra had... NA ladder? Machine and Incontrol? No offense to inc or machine, but it's just not even close. I think adding Huk to the EG roster will help Idra a lot, provided they get along.
With that being said I hope they plan on getting a lot of good Korean practice partners, as I can't see EG benefiting Huk as much as the oGs-TL partnership did without him getting to talk/play against top-tier Koreans.
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Hahaha, Rekrul bringing the truth about Idra, only two talented players in EG: HuK and Puma.
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On August 17 2011 09:42 Rekrul wrote:
To anyone throwing around words like traitor or sellout: Shut the fuck up.
This is a benchmark moment for non-korean players in the Starcraft world. The first time a major non-Korean player is switching from one big team to another 'big' team for big money. The very fact that this competition exists between major sponsored teams contesting to sign the top players is evidence of just how amazing the SC2 world will get.
It just shows that the raw marketing value of a player is there. How do you expect non-Korean players to compete at a Korean level unless they can focus on SC2 alone? They can't unless they have financial comfort. Now that comfort is coming in. Also, I don't know the specifics but I'd be willing to bet over half of his salary will be going towards paying for his travel expenses to all the tournaments: Which means more HuK for you guys to watch.
No one is to blame here. Not EG for having too much money, not TL for not having enough money (yet), and certainly not HuK. This is simply the way the world works.
As far as HuK is concerned: HuK is the most dedicated non-Korean player I have ever seen...in SC1 or SC2. And while his view of the world and how it works is a little too romantic for my tastes, the man has dedication. And while it was annoying at the time how he consistently rejected my offers to take him out in Seoul, I have crazy respect for it now. He worked hard to get where he is and he deserves every dime he can possibly get.
Not that anything I just wrote matters, because if you just read it either a. you already knew all this or b. you're a dumb fucken fan boy(girl).
Good luck to HuK in the future. And more importantly good luck to EG because only having two talented players on your team isn't going to win you any super bowl rings.
P.S. TLO is a pimp.
For a second I thought you were going to address Chris' fan boys, ha.
I think both have to get off his nuts and let the kid play.
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They must be some big nuts to be able to get stepped on. Why would anyone want to step on HuK's nuts? He'd probably hallucinate nuts to keep the real ones safe.
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On August 19 2011 22:23 legaton wrote:
Hahaha, Rekrul bringing the truth about Idra, only two talented players in EG: HuK and Puma.
Based on what?
I could say Sheth/Ret are the only good members of Team Liquid, and that every other member has not performed in month.
I am however not retarded and would not say that.
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On August 20 2011 03:44 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 22:23 legaton wrote:
Hahaha, Rekrul bringing the truth about Idra, only two talented players in EG: HuK and Puma. Based on what? I could say Sheth/Ret are the only good members of Team Liquid, and that every other member has not performed in month. I am however not retarded and would not say that.
haters gotta hate, just learn to ignore them :p
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On August 17 2011 09:42 Rekrul wrote:
This is a benchmark moment for non-korean players in the Starcraft world. The first time a major non-Korean player is switching from one big team to another 'big' team for big money. The very fact that this competition exists between major sponsored teams contesting to sign the top players is evidence of just how amazing the SC2 world will get.
I don't think it is just about big money though. While Teamliquid is the foremost followed and recognized team within the context of Starcraft; I think EG has a much greater recognition and following within e-sports as whole simply due to the fact that they have so many other teams. Their CS team is very good and up until a few months ago they had arguable the best WC3 player in the world, Grubby. Not to mention they 3(?) other teams they have. They also have far more endorsement deals which can also help to raise a player's notoriety. Go to the store and take a look at any of the boxes for Razer mice and you will see a story on the back about how so-and-so from team EG uses that mouse. Advertising like that can help the athlete (or in this case gamer) get exposure just as much as the product. Granted they don't have the full backing of an awesome community, but we should recognize that moving to EG may have more benefits to Huk's career than just money.
On August 17 2011 16:49 ptbl wrote:
It hurts when a player who has matured and grown within your favorite team leaves for another one. It's similar when Alex Rodriguez left the Seattle Mariners for the Texas Ranger because they were offering more money. When you are so emotionally invested in a particular team, you feel betrayed when a player who has matured within the organization leaves for more money. To this day, whenever Alex Rodriguez comes to Safeco Field he gets booed.
A lot of people here are emotionally invested in Team Liquid. Many follow it as their hometown sports team. You grow up with it. You become attached to the players. When they leave for money, it hurts.
Ken Griffey Jr. left the Seattle Mariners for Cinncinati to play for his father and be closer to his family. The Seattle Mariner fans still love him to this day because he left the team not for money, but to be closer to his family. Fans appreciate players who show loyalty, love for their family, and passion for their games.
After Huk's move to EG, TLO recently said that he's going to become better than Huk for Team Liquid. This is why people like TLO. He is loyal, passionate, and dedicated.
Brotherhood and camaraderie should be an admired trait. Money comes and goes. The relationships that you make and nurture lasts for a lifetime. Huk said that Team Liquid was like a family. Well, he left his family.
This is well said and true, but I feel that an addendum should be made. This really only applies for good players. If Huk were terrible, no one would care that he was leaving TL, and likely they would probably encourage it.
Huk is doing what he feels is best for Huk. While his departure will likely hurt TL, I don't believe Huk can be held responsible for that; a team is about more than just one person.
@Rekrul please also note that Ret is a pimp too, at least when playing SC2 idk about irl....
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Not hating but this does make me think how much is Nestea/MVP/MC worth?
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On August 20 2011 06:03 Aegeis wrote:
Not hating but this does make me think how much is Nestea/MVP/MC worth?
As Artosis mentioned, and this was Artosis not hyping a player up so it might actually be trustworthy information, a lot of S-/A-class players got locked into deals with their teams for very very little.
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no doubt i was very sad that HuK is leaving TL - but hes a pro-gamer, so its the same as in football: every player has to look what the best for him at a certain time is, and for HuK it was to go to EG. As for TL, they got HerO - and I LOVE this guy, he's at least as good as HuK and its fun to watch him. Best luck to you HuK!
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