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House Song (once again)
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KrisElmqvist
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Your best tracks are the ones you made without putting them in genres before you started though. | ||
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hifriend
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On August 15 2011 08:40 Starparty wrote: i think its cool. I think the you overuse the bended sound at the end of every bar a bit much, it turns a bit gimmicky, put part from that its cool. Your best tracks are the ones you made without putting them in genres before you started though. Alright.  Well I just found the dBlue glitch plugin (which is free) today and sort of fell in love with it, so I'm sure I overused it in this song haha. | ||
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Isken
Korea (South)1131 Posts
Some remarks here and there, hopefully useful : First of all : I'm not a big fan of the outro. I find it too long to my mind for your kind of song (very constant and repetitive, fluid song), I'd see a long outro like that for a song which would reach some sort of apex between the middle and 3/4th of the length (like Ocean Realm from Airbase, I know it's not the same style but that's an example of a long outro that I enjoy), but yours does not have an apex although it does develop at the beginning, thus preventing it from being a complete loop material. So I'd say : shorter outro, like from 4'21 to 4'36 put a decrease in volume and cut off after 4'36 (so total duration would be 4'36). It could be argued that the sound "sounds" cheap, but I dunno how you could fix that though  It's hard to describe it but it seems to lack "volume". It's like comparing cheap syrup with more expensive ones : it tastes overall the same but the expensive one has a more elaborate taste, more refined may I say. It's what I mean here. Well I don't know how you can fix it (structural problem with the music files you use or just settings) so sorry not to be able to suggest anything. All in all, I have mixed feelings about this song. It is pleasant to listen to (it flows quite nicely to my ears), but like each song like that (songs flowing very well and very repetitive) there is the problem of a "signature move" which makes your song recognizable. So good song overall (especially for an amateur, I've been on newgrounds and the majority do not have your skill, so props ) but very forgettable in my humble opinion. I'll listen to your other ones to see but it seems I'm not too much into progressive trance so well my opinion may not matter that much slightly off : does the title have any relation/link with honor ? (I see the word ehre which reminds me of german classes :p ) | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On August 15 2011 08:54 Isken wrote: + Show Spoiler + Hmm... I'm not a musician myself (nor do I have your talent) so I'll express my few remarks in simple terms, hopefully you can make sense (or juste ignore them :p ) Some remarks here and there, hopefully useful : First of all : I'm not a big fan of the outro. I find it too long to my mind for your kind of song (very constant and repetitive, fluid song), I'd see a long outro like that for a song which would reach some sort of apex between the middle and 3/4th of the length (like Ocean Realm from Airbase, I know it's not the same style but that's an example of a long outro that I enjoy), but yours does not have an apex although it does develop at the beginning, thus preventing it from being a complete loop material. So I'd say : shorter outro, like from 4'21 to 4'36 put a decrease in volume and cut off after 4'36 (so total duration would be 4'36). It could be argued that the sound "sounds" cheap, but I dunno how you could fix that though It's hard to describe it but it seems to lack "volume". It's like comparing cheap syrup with more expensive ones : it tastes overall the same but the expensive one has a more elaborate taste, more refined may I say. It's what I mean here. Well I don't know how you can fix it (structural problem with the music files you use or just settings) so sorry not to be able to suggest anything. All in all, I have mixed feelings about this song. It is pleasant to listen to (it flows quite nicely to my ears), but like each song like that (songs flowing very well and very repetitive) there is the problem of a "signature move" which makes your song recognizable. So good song overall (especially for an amateur, I've been on newgrounds and the majority do not have your skill, so props ) but very forgettable in my humble opinion. I'll listen to your other ones to see but it seems I'm not too much into progressive trance so well my opinion may not matter that much slightly off : does the title have any relation/link with honor ? (I see the word ehre which reminds me of german classes :p ) Thanks for a great response. I think I agree about the sound in general feeling cheap. I've experimented a lot with this in mixing/mastring and it probably lost a lot of dynamics to compression etc, and it feels a little too discant I think. It feels a little flat almost. As for the outro, I see your point. The idea behind long boring drum outro's is mainly so that dj's easily can transition out of the song, but this won't be played by any dj's so it is somewhat pointless having such a long outro (and intro as well). Oh and ehrencrona is just my surname haha, maybe it has origins from 'ehre', who knows. Thanks for listening and responding! | ||
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KrisElmqvist
Sweden1962 Posts
On August 15 2011 08:54 Isken wrote: Hmm... I'm not a musician myself (nor do I have your talent) so I'll express my few remarks in simple terms, hopefully you can make sense (or juste ignore them :p ) Some remarks here and there, hopefully useful : First of all : I'm not a big fan of the outro. I find it too long to my mind for your kind of song (very constant and repetitive, fluid song), I'd see a long outro like that for a song which would reach some sort of apex between the middle and 3/4th of the length (like Ocean Realm from Airbase, I know it's not the same style but that's an example of a long outro that I enjoy), but yours does not have an apex although it does develop at the beginning, thus preventing it from being a complete loop material. So I'd say : shorter outro, like from 4'21 to 4'36 put a decrease in volume and cut off after 4'36 (so total duration would be 4'36). It could be argued that the sound "sounds" cheap, but I dunno how you could fix that though It's hard to describe it but it seems to lack "volume". It's like comparing cheap syrup with more expensive ones : it tastes overall the same but the expensive one has a more elaborate taste, more refined may I say. It's what I mean here. Well I don't know how you can fix it (structural problem with the music files you use or just settings) so sorry not to be able to suggest anything. All in all, I have mixed feelings about this song. It is pleasant to listen to (it flows quite nicely to my ears), but like each song like that (songs flowing very well and very repetitive) there is the problem of a "signature move" which makes your song recognizable. So good song overall (especially for an amateur, I've been on newgrounds and the majority do not have your skill, so props ) but very forgettable in my humble opinion. I'll listen to your other ones to see but it seems I'm not too much into progressive trance so well my opinion may not matter that much slightly off : does the title have any relation/link with honor ? (I see the word ehre which reminds me of german classes :p ) If its any comfort i know exactly the feeling youre trying to explain. This song does have somewhat lower technical production value than earlier tracks hifriend posted. personally im guessing this is a case of "im gonna produce house today", rather than sitting down and thinking "im gonna produce whatever comes in my head". Sounds are being forced into sounding in a certain way, making it linear, instead of experimenting with different approaches to create a more powerful sound image, | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
Overall it's good but I'd like a another mix with more variation to it a lot more. Still, I always like listening to your tracks! | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On August 15 2011 09:08 Starparty wrote: If its any comfort i know exactly the feeling youre trying to explain. This song does have somewhat lower technical production value than earlier tracks hifriend posted. personally im guessing this is a case of "im gonna produce house today", rather than sitting down and thinking "im gonna produce whatever comes in my head". Sounds are being forced into sounding in a certain way, making it linear, instead of experimenting with different approaches to create a more powerful sound image, lol making music always felt kinda like brute forcing sounds into sounding the way I envision them for me >.< I guess you're right though, maybe I should be more experimental.. but I think the overall sounds quality is so terrible because I started putting stuff on the master track which is something I never do | ||
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KrisElmqvist
Sweden1962 Posts
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hifriend
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On August 16 2011 02:10 Starparty wrote: do you mean like plugs and stuff? Some master compression, equalizing and limiting is never a bad idea or what do you mean? haha well I just started stacking on a bunch of stuff on the master track the chain is like 2 band eq 40hz/20k cut -> hard limiting for headroom -> a mastering eq for getting rid of annoying frequencies -> harmonizer -> brainworx eq for putting sub 300 freq's in mono and higher frequencies separated -> the oxford maximizer with analogue character dunno what it's called -> waves ultramaximizer for teh loudness. But my philosophy before has been to never bother with stuff on the master track, I don't think it's necessary if you have a good mix, and not worth doing unless you can get a professional to do it and even then it's in part for getting a second opinion. Anyway I've thought about what you keep telling me and I think I'm done trying to replicate avicii etc, it doesn't give me much satisfaction anymore and I want to come up with a sound of my own. | ||
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KrisElmqvist
Sweden1962 Posts
On August 16 2011 02:46 hifriend wrote: haha well I just started stacking on a bunch of stuff on the master track the chain is like 2 band eq 40hz/20k cut -> hard limiting for headroom -> a mastering eq for getting rid of annoying frequencies -> harmonizer -> brainworx eq for putting sub 300 freq's in mono and higher frequencies separated -> the oxford maximizer with analogue character dunno what it's called -> waves ultramaximizer for teh loudness. But my philosophy before has been to never bother with stuff on the master track, I don't think it's necessary if you have a good mix, and not worth doing unless you can get a professional to do it and even then it's in part for getting a second opinion. Anyway I've thought about what you keep telling me and I think I'm done trying to replicate avicii etc, it doesn't give me much satisfaction anymore and I want to come up with a sound of my own. consider chopping at 60 hz instead of 40 for some clarity in the bass, thats what i do. The limiter is generally placed as the very last plug in the chain. Also making a trebble cut and an eq to remove frequencies is kind of wasted if youre just smacking a harmonizer on it afterwards (if harmonizer = exciter? otherwise nevermind that) The ultra maxmimizer is what i usually start my master chain with, but latelly ive been using it less and less. As you say, with a proper mix in the first place sounding like you want it too, there is no need to enhance further. I usually do my mixes with just a compressor and a limiter on the master in the first place. And i know about the avicii part, it has been apparent, but i wanted you to find it out for yourself | ||
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KrisElmqvist
Sweden1962 Posts
On August 15 2011 08:11 hifriend wrote: edit: meh listened through all the songs on my youtube/soundcloud and didn't really like any of em so I deleted em. Maybe I'll put up some music again at some point but it'll probably be something completely different. that is a bit dramatic, don't you think? | ||
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