• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:20
CEST 16:20
KST 23:20
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 292Serral wins Maestros of the Game 240ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion6BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion6Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles0MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon445.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes40
StarCraft 2
General
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 29 Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) What is your PC setup in 2026 for SCBW/SC2 ? Most successful SC2 players of Q2 2026
Tourneys
Premium Leather Clothing Brand GSL CK #5 Race War WardiTV Summer Cup 2026 RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event HomeStory Cup 29
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family
Brood War
General
Pros Debate: Zerg Unfairly Nerfed? (ASL S22 map) BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion ASL22 General Discussion BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion
Tourneys
[ASL22] Wildcard Qualifier IPSL Spring 2026 Top 4! [Megathread] Daily Proleagues CSLAN 4 is Coming!
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Summer Games Done Quick 2026! Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Major Shifts in the Gaming I…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4751 users

Droning On #6: A Mixed Bag

Blogs > Umpteen
Post a Reply
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
August 09 2011 01:09 GMT
#1
Highlights of todays games:

ZvT on Backwater gulch

Me: 11p/18h
Him: Barracks + double gas
Scouting the gas, I prepared for banshees with an evo chamber, extra queens and a spore at both bases.
Good play: Recalling earlier games where the Terran delayed attacking with 2Port banshee until he had more than queens and spores could deal with, I teched to lair and spire while droning hard. Sure enough, he waited for six banshees before moving in - just as my first round of mutalisks spawned.
After making more mutalisks and doing modest damage to his main mineral line, and noticing that he had nothing but marines to take his natural, I decided to hit him with baneling/muta while he was trying to saturate his natural
Bad mistake: I didn't wait for baneling speed (or start it soon enough) and didn't have enough lings to support my banelings, so the attack was a bit of a flop and failed to deny his expansion.
Meanwhile I took two extra bases on the far side of the map.
Bad mistake: Despite getting both of my remote bases dropped, twice, and completely destroyed before my units could get there, I failed to build static defence. This slowed me down a lot.
Bad mistake: Mismicroed all my mutas while trying to attack with ling/baneling and lost them all.
Interesting result: After resaturating my bases and arriving on hive tech I made an army of roach/ling/baneling/broodlord and attacked into his siege line near his gold expansion. I A-moved the broodlords and then waited for him to send his marines before charging in with the banelings and roaches. This went extremely well.
Fatal mistake: My earlier failures meant that rather than being able to quickly remax I was left with eight or so broodlords on the far side of the map with no support. He had at least one base I didn't know about and was able to make enough units to drop my main and eliminate critical tech.

Specific lessons learned:

Teching towards spire definitely saved my bacon in the early game. If fewer banshees had arrived I could have droned harder, mined less gas and expanded sooner, but the spire was much-needed insurance.

Broodlord/roach/baneling seems to have potential against an otherwise entrenched thor/tank/bio army.

A few hundred minerals of static defence at my remote bases would have shut down his drops and won me the game.

General lessons learned:

Remember, remember to scout dilligently for bases.

ZvT on Shakuras

Close air positions.
Me: 11p/18h
Him: Barracks + 2gas
Again scouting the two gases I prepared for banshees as in the earlier game. Two duly arrived and were dispatched by queens and a spore at each base, after which the ling in his natural saw him expand and start to wall off his natural ramp.
My follow-up: I immediately took a third, put down a baneling nest and a spire.
Good play: I became conscious of a problem I think I experience a lot: I get all giddy at the prospect of attacking with mutalisks and neglect to saturate the third I've taken, instead spending all my minerals on mutalisks. This time I was able to rein myself in a bit and make drones. It pains me slightly to think how many times I've got that wrong in the past, expanding and then making units.
His attack: After getting what was for me a decent number of drones I made a couple of rounds of lings to complement my mutalisks. Shortly thereafter he pushed out with a marine/tank force. Rather than make banelings I engaged with ling/muta, which went very well: the marines were too busy trying to kill the lings and got mowed down by the mutalisks. Shortly after that he tried again, I assume nihilistically, with a handful of marines and all his SCVs. Which ran into two banelings.

General lessons learned:

Don't expand and make units - not voluntarily at least. It's a choice between strong harassment and economy; six mutalisks will force just as many turrets as twelve.

ZvP on Nezarim Crypt

Close positions (10 and 2 o'clock)

Me: 11p/18h speedling
Him: 4gate
I got a drone into his base and kept it alive long enough to see the extra gates go down. I dropped two spinecrawlers at my natural the instant it spawned, walked my queen down and started pumping lings and roaches, adding two more spinecrawlers when my scout saw him leave his base.
Seeing that his initial attack wasn't going to break the front, he pulled back to reinforce with more stalkers, zealots and sentries. I made more lings and roaches, sneaking in a drone here and there, and was able to hold him off again.
After the second wave was repulsed, I made a large round of lings and sent them around the map into his main. He hadn't blocked his ramp and I was able to destroy the bulk of his probes before zealots warped in to defend.
Teching and droning very carefully, making plenty of units, I sent a second wave of lings to try the same trick again but found zealots blocking the ramp. A few seconds later he tried to attack again, but this time my roaches and the lings returning from his base caught him in a vice and squashed him flat.

Specific lessons learned:

It is possible for me to hold off a 4-gate. I never knew I had it in me.

General lessons learned:

Look for the runby, the unattended units, the opportunities to grab a quick advantage. It is possible to end games proactively rather than just by defending and soaking everything up.

Quickies:

ZvP on Xel'Naga: He sniped my natural while expanding himself. Could have returned the favour, but delayed too long, letting him get a decisive probe lead and then catching up in army. If counterattacking is the only way to have a chance, do it immediately and reinforce with speedlings.

ZvZ on Antiga Shipyard: My spinecrawlers and roaches on 2-base > his roaches and attempts to build spinecrawlers on my creep on one base. Made good decisions, pressing home my advantage with roach/hydra, forcing army exchanges and rolling over him while he vainly tried to establish his natural.

The State of the Brain

Like I said in the title: something of a mixed bag. I made some good decisions, and lost because of some really bad ones. However, I beat a 4-gate for the first time ever, and did really well at shutting down early 'cheesy' plays, so overall I feel very positive.

**
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
GSL
11:00
GSL CK #5 - Day 2
Armani vs ZounLIVE!
Ryung 345
Classic174
CranKy Ducklings SOOP140
herO (SOOP)138
SHIN 114
Maru106
ByuN (SOOP)75
Rogue64
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Ryung 345
LamboSC2 334
Classic 174
herO (SOOP) 138
SHIN 114
Maru 106
ByuN (SOOP) 75
Rogue 64
Rex 37
RushiSC 5
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 28308
Bisu 3119
Rain 2784
actioN 1553
Jaedong 1012
Shuttle 889
Horang2 884
EffOrt 779
Zeus 697
Mini 569
[ Show more ]
firebathero 454
Soulkey 453
BeSt 405
Light 347
Hyuk 345
ggaemo 333
Larva 254
Snow 230
Stork 227
Killer 94
Pusan 83
Rush 66
[sc1f]eonzerg 58
Free 55
Sharp 51
ToSsGirL 44
Hyun 43
soO 42
sorry 33
910 31
scan(afreeca) 28
Aegong 22
JYJ 20
Bale 19
HiyA 17
yabsab 15
Movie 14
Sexy 13
Hm[arnc] 12
Yoon 11
Terrorterran 11
GoRush 11
Shine 10
IntoTheRainbow 9
Icarus 5
Dota 2
qojqva1485
XaKoH 716
420jenkins23
Counter-Strike
byalli316
edward5
Other Games
hiko727
FrodaN559
B2W.Neo479
Lowko445
crisheroes318
Liquid`VortiX183
Hui .176
Livibee65
Organizations
StarCraft 2
IntoTheiNu 1360
Other Games
BasetradeTV232
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 6
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 9
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis3107
• TFBlade965
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
1h 40m
Replay Cast
9h 40m
WardiTV Weekly
20h 40m
The PondCast
1d 19h
Replay Cast
2 days
CrankTV Team League
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
CrankTV Team League
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Clem vs Lambo
Scarlett vs Cure
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
IPSL
5 days
Dragon vs Hawk
RSL Revival
5 days
Classic vs Trap
herO vs SHIN
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
IPSL
6 days
Bonyth vs Ret
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

YSL S3
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W3
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 1
Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.