• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 03:35
CEST 09:35
KST 16:35
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall9HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy6
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 30 - July 6): Classic Doubles0[BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China3Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL63Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form?13FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event22
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (June 30 - July 6): Classic Doubles Program: SC2 / XSplit / OBS Scene Switcher The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation Statistics for vetoed/disliked maps Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form?
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Mondays Korean Starcraft League Week 77
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma
Brood War
General
SC uni coach streams logging into betting site Player “Jedi” cheat on CSL Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL BW General Discussion Practice Partners (Official)
Tourneys
CSL Xiamen International Invitational [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China The Casual Games of the Week Thread [BSL20] Grand Finals - Sunday 20:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread What do you want from future RTS games? Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative US Politics Mega-thread Summer Games Done Quick 2024! Summer Games Done Quick 2025! Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Blogs
Culture Clash in Video Games…
TrAiDoS
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Blog #2
tankgirl
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 664 users

Desrow's Power Leveling

Blogs > iPAndi
Post a Reply
1 2 3 Next All
andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
August 05 2011 14:57 GMT
#1
Hi TL,

I was recently watching desrow's stream, and he was basically saying he was charging $15/h for power leveling an account. What's power leveling? As I understand it, its basically laddering on someone's account so they rank higher.
Is this legal considering Blizzard's stance on people portrait farming and such?
Should this be endorsed on TLnet?

I mean, i love watching desrow, but charging a fee for doing something that to me seems shady doesn't make me feel comfortable.


***
Nightmare1795 wrote: I played a guy in bronze who said he was Japanese. That was the only game I ever dropped a nuke, which was purely coincidental.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
August 05 2011 14:59 GMT
#2
Its not like its actually hurting anyone except the player who pays. Now that guy can lose $15/h and get roflstomped by people much better then him when he starts laddering.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9641 Posts
August 05 2011 15:00 GMT
#3
Im pretty sure just sharing an account is not allowed so this would probally not be allowed either. It hink you got the idea of power leveling would be just playing on someones accoun and laddering. It makes no sense to me as you would just lose when you play on it yourself anyways because your not good enough to play at the level he gets you at.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-05 15:04:07
August 05 2011 15:03 GMT
#4
these kind of things are the posts you'd find on many of the hacker/shady forums (I only know cause I went searching for cheaper CDkeys for EU, which honestly the amount of scams happening its better to just buy from blizz) - but there are so many "I'll bring your account to masters for $100" posts, its ridiculous that people actually make money off it.

Of course its not legal by blizzard, ala the whole TLO/Huk fiasco. But newbs will pay anything to get that masters icon on their account I guess.

edit: im surprised someone like desrow, who im assuming wants to be taken seriously as a progamer? would offer a service like this publicly.. Guess it really is all about the money for him.
Canada Gaming ~~ The-Feared
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
August 05 2011 15:11 GMT
#5
I didn't think I could lose anymore respect for desrow but I guess I can.

What the fuck is he thinking?
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
lantz
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States762 Posts
August 05 2011 15:12 GMT
#6
im looking to get masters so my friends will be impressed! where is descrow when you need him?


+ Show Spoiler +
^^kidding
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-05 15:25:23
August 05 2011 15:22 GMT
#7
It's not allowed under Blizzard's ToS as far as I know. If I remember correctly (please correct me if I don't) this came up a while ago when Select offered to do something similar, but removed his thread when he found out it wasn't permitted.

Edit: heres the thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=217746

Select's response
I noticed it is against the rule ><
I erased my leveling page

Dodge arrows
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
August 05 2011 15:24 GMT
#8
On August 05 2011 23:59 PassiveAce wrote:
Its not like its actually hurting anyone except the player who pays. Now that guy can lose $15/h and get roflstomped by people much better then him when he starts laddering.

what about the people who should be matched against those roughly of their own skill but then hit desrow on the other person's account?
ModeratorFlash Sea Action Snow Midas | TheStC Ret Tyler MC | RIP 우정호
andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
August 05 2011 15:26 GMT
#9
On August 06 2011 00:24 Antoine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2011 23:59 PassiveAce wrote:
Its not like its actually hurting anyone except the player who pays. Now that guy can lose $15/h and get roflstomped by people much better then him when he starts laddering.

what about the people who should be matched against those roughly of their own skill but then hit desrow on the other person's account?

Exactly this. The more I think about it, the lamer it gets :/
Nightmare1795 wrote: I played a guy in bronze who said he was Japanese. That was the only game I ever dropped a nuke, which was purely coincidental.
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
August 05 2011 15:26 GMT
#10
Charging an hourly fee seems kinda retarded, what if he just decides to fuck around for 2 hours, it'd make more sense to charge based on what rank the account is currently in and how many games are played on that account.

I highly doubt this is legal because, as someone mentioned, account sharing is illegal. Though I don't know if Blizzard is going to actively stop this, it's probably not high on their priority list of things they need to handle. Of course I could be wrong, if they have enough time to send out personal letters to remind everyone, in case anyone forgot, that separating accounts by server really sucks and not let anyone practice with their region locked acounnt, they have enough time to crack down on this.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25979 Posts
August 05 2011 15:30 GMT
#11
Do you have any proof? Hopefully he reads this and immediately stops/
Moderator
Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8835 Posts
August 05 2011 15:30 GMT
#12
The shitty part is that it'd probably take Desrow 40+ hours to finally win enough games to level up your account. You get what you pay for.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
August 05 2011 15:32 GMT
#13
On August 06 2011 00:30 Chill wrote:
Do you have any proof? Hopefully he reads this and immediately stops/

Well, he's doing it right now :/
Nightmare1795 wrote: I played a guy in bronze who said he was Japanese. That was the only game I ever dropped a nuke, which was purely coincidental.
PeZuY
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
935 Posts
August 05 2011 15:38 GMT
#14
Is this against TL rules also?
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9641 Posts
August 05 2011 15:42 GMT
#15
On August 06 2011 00:38 PeZuY wrote:
Is this against TL rules also?


From my understanding what you do on your stream is your own business but TL can choose not to support it and what not. I know in the past they ban known cheaters and hackers but this isnt cheating but it is against the terms of service so i dont know. Maybe a mod could give some clarfication.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-05 15:52:56
August 05 2011 15:52 GMT
#16
On August 05 2011 23:57 iPAndi wrote:
Is this legal considering Blizzard's stance on people portrait farming and such?

This is definitely NOT legal, but Blizzard is too busy bugging people like HuK and TLO anyway, so desrow is fine for the moment.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10669 Posts
August 05 2011 16:00 GMT
#17
LOL Everytime I find a new thread about Desrow it is always some negative stuff he is doing, no offense but I find it really funny too that TL features a player with this sort of behavior, basically all the extra revenue he is making is because he is a featured stream on TL, in other words if he wasn't featured he wouldn't have as many viewers and therefor wouldn't be able to rip off as many people.

So sad that not long ago I read the thread about him posting all that drama between Reign and Pheonix on reddit, and now this lol.

Money is the root of all evil.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
August 05 2011 16:00 GMT
#18
What an easy freaking way to make money. A shameful way as well.
"I'm gonna keep making drones cause I'm a baller, and ballers make drones." -Snute
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
August 05 2011 16:01 GMT
#19
On August 06 2011 00:24 Antoine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2011 23:59 PassiveAce wrote:
Its not like its actually hurting anyone except the player who pays. Now that guy can lose $15/h and get roflstomped by people much better then him when he starts laddering.

what about the people who should be matched against those roughly of their own skill but then hit desrow on the other person's account?


Point taken, its not fair for those people to lose their points.

still seems so foolish for the buyer though :p
Also, why would someone watch a stream of a master crushing low level players?
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
moltenlead
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada866 Posts
August 05 2011 16:07 GMT
#20
Well, I think I'll just cross-post Destiny:

On July 08 2011 12:53 Destiny wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 08 2011 12:10 smacky wrote:
More about vtdesrow

Hey guys, I'm a french canadian starcraft 2 player. I play protoss and I will be streaming high level practice and coaching session as well. My rate is 25$/hr. I can also grind/power-level(ladder your account) for 25$/hr up to masters. To schedule from now, you need to use this page: http://desrowfighting.com/schedule There is more information to read here: http://desrowfighting.com/coaching If you have any questions you can email me at this adress d3srow@gmail.com Here's my personal website: http://desrowfighting.com Here's m


bro i thought this was a violation of eula....also you ran commercials on your stream for ttesports the last time you power leveled an account on eu...sponsor ok with you basically cheating and pimping there keyboards. never made it to masters so i guess no harm done eh. just a question...when you power level an account do you actually log in as them and play as if you are them or do you give your opponents the opportunity to object and accept your offer to quit the game because you are going to steal points otherwise? just curious if you let your hapless ladder victims know they are getting cheated themselves and then leave ofc when they would rather not donate their points to your soon to be masters cheat accomplice....

btw...i dont like when professional gamers accept money to play on other peoples accounts. i believe you are victimizing people and should be removed from the featured streamers as a result...just my humble opinion. have a nice day sir


[mod edit: cat meme]


srsly though, I don't know why you're making such a big deal about this. A lot of people have been known to play and smurf on accounts, it seems like you're taking incredible offense to this for no reason.

From: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182984&currentpage=14#265

It really doesn't matter that much to me if I lose 1 match due to playing a pro. Following the same logic, then aren't we doing the same thing when a pro buys a smurf and streams his placements, as he is stealing the ladder points of lower leagues as well?
1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 25m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Mong 207
Leta 188
Zeus 155
Mind 87
Sharp 32
Shine 27
yabsab 13
Bale 10
Dota 2
XaKoH 541
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss232
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King177
Other Games
Stewie2K410
SortOf107
NeuroSwarm99
ProTech50
Happy44
Pyrionflax21
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick30276
BasetradeTV33
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH366
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2229
League of Legends
• Rush1590
• HappyZerGling156
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
3h 25m
Replay Cast
16h 25m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 2h
WardiTV European League
1d 8h
MaNa vs sebesdes
Mixu vs Fjant
ByuN vs HeRoMaRinE
ShoWTimE vs goblin
Gerald vs Babymarine
Krystianer vs YoungYakov
PiGosaur Monday
1d 16h
The PondCast
2 days
WardiTV European League
2 days
Jumy vs NightPhoenix
Percival vs Nicoract
ArT vs HiGhDrA
MaxPax vs Harstem
Scarlett vs Shameless
SKillous vs uThermal
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
ByuN vs SHIN
Clem vs Reynor
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Classic vs Cure
FEL
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
FEL
5 days
FEL
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
FEL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL Season 20
HSC XXVII
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025

Upcoming

2025 ACS Season 2: Qualifier
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSL Xiamen Invitational
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.