• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:47
CEST 03:47
KST 10:47
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent9Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway132v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature4
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues21LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments2Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?39Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris75
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues SpeCial on The Tasteless Podcast What happened to Singapore/Brazil servers?
Tourneys
WardiTV Mondays Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast
Brood War
General
The Korean Terminology Thread [ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent FlaSh on ACS Winners being in ASL ASL20 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group B [ASL20] Ro16 Group A Is there English video for group selection for ASL BWCL Season 63 Announcement
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
Nomor CS NeoBank 0822'606969 The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Collective Intelligence: Tea…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1306 users

Desrow's Power Leveling

Blogs > iPAndi
Post a Reply
1 2 3 Next All
andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
August 05 2011 14:57 GMT
#1
Hi TL,

I was recently watching desrow's stream, and he was basically saying he was charging $15/h for power leveling an account. What's power leveling? As I understand it, its basically laddering on someone's account so they rank higher.
Is this legal considering Blizzard's stance on people portrait farming and such?
Should this be endorsed on TLnet?

I mean, i love watching desrow, but charging a fee for doing something that to me seems shady doesn't make me feel comfortable.


***
Nightmare1795 wrote: I played a guy in bronze who said he was Japanese. That was the only game I ever dropped a nuke, which was purely coincidental.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
August 05 2011 14:59 GMT
#2
Its not like its actually hurting anyone except the player who pays. Now that guy can lose $15/h and get roflstomped by people much better then him when he starts laddering.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9643 Posts
August 05 2011 15:00 GMT
#3
Im pretty sure just sharing an account is not allowed so this would probally not be allowed either. It hink you got the idea of power leveling would be just playing on someones accoun and laddering. It makes no sense to me as you would just lose when you play on it yourself anyways because your not good enough to play at the level he gets you at.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-05 15:04:07
August 05 2011 15:03 GMT
#4
these kind of things are the posts you'd find on many of the hacker/shady forums (I only know cause I went searching for cheaper CDkeys for EU, which honestly the amount of scams happening its better to just buy from blizz) - but there are so many "I'll bring your account to masters for $100" posts, its ridiculous that people actually make money off it.

Of course its not legal by blizzard, ala the whole TLO/Huk fiasco. But newbs will pay anything to get that masters icon on their account I guess.

edit: im surprised someone like desrow, who im assuming wants to be taken seriously as a progamer? would offer a service like this publicly.. Guess it really is all about the money for him.
Canada Gaming ~~ The-Feared
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
August 05 2011 15:11 GMT
#5
I didn't think I could lose anymore respect for desrow but I guess I can.

What the fuck is he thinking?
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
lantz
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States762 Posts
August 05 2011 15:12 GMT
#6
im looking to get masters so my friends will be impressed! where is descrow when you need him?


+ Show Spoiler +
^^kidding
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-05 15:25:23
August 05 2011 15:22 GMT
#7
It's not allowed under Blizzard's ToS as far as I know. If I remember correctly (please correct me if I don't) this came up a while ago when Select offered to do something similar, but removed his thread when he found out it wasn't permitted.

Edit: heres the thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=217746

Select's response
I noticed it is against the rule ><
I erased my leveling page

Dodge arrows
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
August 05 2011 15:24 GMT
#8
On August 05 2011 23:59 PassiveAce wrote:
Its not like its actually hurting anyone except the player who pays. Now that guy can lose $15/h and get roflstomped by people much better then him when he starts laddering.

what about the people who should be matched against those roughly of their own skill but then hit desrow on the other person's account?
ModeratorFlash Sea Action Snow Midas | TheStC Ret Tyler MC | RIP 우정호
andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
August 05 2011 15:26 GMT
#9
On August 06 2011 00:24 Antoine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2011 23:59 PassiveAce wrote:
Its not like its actually hurting anyone except the player who pays. Now that guy can lose $15/h and get roflstomped by people much better then him when he starts laddering.

what about the people who should be matched against those roughly of their own skill but then hit desrow on the other person's account?

Exactly this. The more I think about it, the lamer it gets :/
Nightmare1795 wrote: I played a guy in bronze who said he was Japanese. That was the only game I ever dropped a nuke, which was purely coincidental.
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
August 05 2011 15:26 GMT
#10
Charging an hourly fee seems kinda retarded, what if he just decides to fuck around for 2 hours, it'd make more sense to charge based on what rank the account is currently in and how many games are played on that account.

I highly doubt this is legal because, as someone mentioned, account sharing is illegal. Though I don't know if Blizzard is going to actively stop this, it's probably not high on their priority list of things they need to handle. Of course I could be wrong, if they have enough time to send out personal letters to remind everyone, in case anyone forgot, that separating accounts by server really sucks and not let anyone practice with their region locked acounnt, they have enough time to crack down on this.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25981 Posts
August 05 2011 15:30 GMT
#11
Do you have any proof? Hopefully he reads this and immediately stops/
Moderator
Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8841 Posts
August 05 2011 15:30 GMT
#12
The shitty part is that it'd probably take Desrow 40+ hours to finally win enough games to level up your account. You get what you pay for.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
August 05 2011 15:32 GMT
#13
On August 06 2011 00:30 Chill wrote:
Do you have any proof? Hopefully he reads this and immediately stops/

Well, he's doing it right now :/
Nightmare1795 wrote: I played a guy in bronze who said he was Japanese. That was the only game I ever dropped a nuke, which was purely coincidental.
PeZuY
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
935 Posts
August 05 2011 15:38 GMT
#14
Is this against TL rules also?
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9643 Posts
August 05 2011 15:42 GMT
#15
On August 06 2011 00:38 PeZuY wrote:
Is this against TL rules also?


From my understanding what you do on your stream is your own business but TL can choose not to support it and what not. I know in the past they ban known cheaters and hackers but this isnt cheating but it is against the terms of service so i dont know. Maybe a mod could give some clarfication.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-05 15:52:56
August 05 2011 15:52 GMT
#16
On August 05 2011 23:57 iPAndi wrote:
Is this legal considering Blizzard's stance on people portrait farming and such?

This is definitely NOT legal, but Blizzard is too busy bugging people like HuK and TLO anyway, so desrow is fine for the moment.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10675 Posts
August 05 2011 16:00 GMT
#17
LOL Everytime I find a new thread about Desrow it is always some negative stuff he is doing, no offense but I find it really funny too that TL features a player with this sort of behavior, basically all the extra revenue he is making is because he is a featured stream on TL, in other words if he wasn't featured he wouldn't have as many viewers and therefor wouldn't be able to rip off as many people.

So sad that not long ago I read the thread about him posting all that drama between Reign and Pheonix on reddit, and now this lol.

Money is the root of all evil.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
August 05 2011 16:00 GMT
#18
What an easy freaking way to make money. A shameful way as well.
"I'm gonna keep making drones cause I'm a baller, and ballers make drones." -Snute
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
August 05 2011 16:01 GMT
#19
On August 06 2011 00:24 Antoine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2011 23:59 PassiveAce wrote:
Its not like its actually hurting anyone except the player who pays. Now that guy can lose $15/h and get roflstomped by people much better then him when he starts laddering.

what about the people who should be matched against those roughly of their own skill but then hit desrow on the other person's account?


Point taken, its not fair for those people to lose their points.

still seems so foolish for the buyer though :p
Also, why would someone watch a stream of a master crushing low level players?
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
moltenlead
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada866 Posts
August 05 2011 16:07 GMT
#20
Well, I think I'll just cross-post Destiny:

On July 08 2011 12:53 Destiny wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 08 2011 12:10 smacky wrote:
More about vtdesrow

Hey guys, I'm a french canadian starcraft 2 player. I play protoss and I will be streaming high level practice and coaching session as well. My rate is 25$/hr. I can also grind/power-level(ladder your account) for 25$/hr up to masters. To schedule from now, you need to use this page: http://desrowfighting.com/schedule There is more information to read here: http://desrowfighting.com/coaching If you have any questions you can email me at this adress d3srow@gmail.com Here's my personal website: http://desrowfighting.com Here's m


bro i thought this was a violation of eula....also you ran commercials on your stream for ttesports the last time you power leveled an account on eu...sponsor ok with you basically cheating and pimping there keyboards. never made it to masters so i guess no harm done eh. just a question...when you power level an account do you actually log in as them and play as if you are them or do you give your opponents the opportunity to object and accept your offer to quit the game because you are going to steal points otherwise? just curious if you let your hapless ladder victims know they are getting cheated themselves and then leave ofc when they would rather not donate their points to your soon to be masters cheat accomplice....

btw...i dont like when professional gamers accept money to play on other peoples accounts. i believe you are victimizing people and should be removed from the featured streamers as a result...just my humble opinion. have a nice day sir


[mod edit: cat meme]


srsly though, I don't know why you're making such a big deal about this. A lot of people have been known to play and smurf on accounts, it seems like you're taking incredible offense to this for no reason.

From: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182984&currentpage=14#265

It really doesn't matter that much to me if I lose 1 match due to playing a pro. Following the same logic, then aren't we doing the same thing when a pro buys a smurf and streams his placements, as he is stealing the ladder points of lower leagues as well?
1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiGosaur Monday
00:00
#48
SteadfastSC226
EnkiAlexander 56
davetesta55
rockletztv 32
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SteadfastSC 226
Nina 143
RuFF_SC2 103
ProTech66
CosmosSc2 55
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 891
sSak 110
NaDa 37
yabsab 33
Icarus 6
Sea 0
Dota 2
monkeys_forever772
League of Legends
Cuddl3bear2
Counter-Strike
fl0m2174
Fnx 1249
taco 129
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox375
Other Games
summit1g7976
tarik_tv6987
Day[9].tv918
C9.Mang0495
Maynarde117
ViBE65
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1977
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH117
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki4
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• Ler33
League of Legends
• Stunt162
Other Games
• Scarra1119
• Day9tv918
Upcoming Events
Kung Fu Cup
10h 13m
ByuN vs HeRoMaRinE
MaxPax vs Creator
TBD vs Classic
OSC
14h 13m
Moja vs Babymarine
Solar vs TBD
sOs vs goblin
Nice vs INexorable
sebesdes vs Iba
Nicoract vs TBD
NightMare vs TBD
OSC
22h 13m
ReBellioN vs PAPI
Spirit vs TBD
Percival vs TBD
TriGGeR vs TBD
Shameless vs UedSoldier
Cham vs TBD
Harstem vs TBD
RSL Revival
1d 8h
Cure vs SHIN
Reynor vs Zoun
Kung Fu Cup
1d 10h
The PondCast
1d 11h
RSL Revival
2 days
Classic vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Maru
Online Event
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
BSL Team Wars
2 days
Team Bonyth vs Team Dewalt
[ Show More ]
BSL Team Wars
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Maestros of the Game
3 days
ShoWTimE vs Classic
Clem vs herO
Serral vs Bunny
Reynor vs Zoun
Cosmonarchy
3 days
Bonyth vs Dewalt
[BSL 2025] Weekly
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Maestros of the Game
4 days
BSL Team Wars
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Snow vs Sharp
Jaedong vs Mini
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Light vs Speed
Larva vs Soma
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Copa Latinoamericana 4
SEL Season 2 Championship
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL Polish World Championship 2025
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
EC S1
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.