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andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
August 05 2011 14:57 GMT
#1
Hi TL,

I was recently watching desrow's stream, and he was basically saying he was charging $15/h for power leveling an account. What's power leveling? As I understand it, its basically laddering on someone's account so they rank higher.
Is this legal considering Blizzard's stance on people portrait farming and such?
Should this be endorsed on TLnet?

I mean, i love watching desrow, but charging a fee for doing something that to me seems shady doesn't make me feel comfortable.


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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
August 05 2011 14:59 GMT
#2
Its not like its actually hurting anyone except the player who pays. Now that guy can lose $15/h and get roflstomped by people much better then him when he starts laddering.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
August 05 2011 15:00 GMT
#3
Im pretty sure just sharing an account is not allowed so this would probally not be allowed either. It hink you got the idea of power leveling would be just playing on someones accoun and laddering. It makes no sense to me as you would just lose when you play on it yourself anyways because your not good enough to play at the level he gets you at.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-05 15:04:07
August 05 2011 15:03 GMT
#4
these kind of things are the posts you'd find on many of the hacker/shady forums (I only know cause I went searching for cheaper CDkeys for EU, which honestly the amount of scams happening its better to just buy from blizz) - but there are so many "I'll bring your account to masters for $100" posts, its ridiculous that people actually make money off it.

Of course its not legal by blizzard, ala the whole TLO/Huk fiasco. But newbs will pay anything to get that masters icon on their account I guess.

edit: im surprised someone like desrow, who im assuming wants to be taken seriously as a progamer? would offer a service like this publicly.. Guess it really is all about the money for him.
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SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
August 05 2011 15:11 GMT
#5
I didn't think I could lose anymore respect for desrow but I guess I can.

What the fuck is he thinking?
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lantz
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States762 Posts
August 05 2011 15:12 GMT
#6
im looking to get masters so my friends will be impressed! where is descrow when you need him?


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^^kidding
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-05 15:25:23
August 05 2011 15:22 GMT
#7
It's not allowed under Blizzard's ToS as far as I know. If I remember correctly (please correct me if I don't) this came up a while ago when Select offered to do something similar, but removed his thread when he found out it wasn't permitted.

Edit: heres the thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=217746

Select's response
I noticed it is against the rule ><
I erased my leveling page

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Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
August 05 2011 15:24 GMT
#8
On August 05 2011 23:59 PassiveAce wrote:
Its not like its actually hurting anyone except the player who pays. Now that guy can lose $15/h and get roflstomped by people much better then him when he starts laddering.

what about the people who should be matched against those roughly of their own skill but then hit desrow on the other person's account?
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andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
August 05 2011 15:26 GMT
#9
On August 06 2011 00:24 Antoine wrote:
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On August 05 2011 23:59 PassiveAce wrote:
Its not like its actually hurting anyone except the player who pays. Now that guy can lose $15/h and get roflstomped by people much better then him when he starts laddering.

what about the people who should be matched against those roughly of their own skill but then hit desrow on the other person's account?

Exactly this. The more I think about it, the lamer it gets :/
Nightmare1795 wrote: I played a guy in bronze who said he was Japanese. That was the only game I ever dropped a nuke, which was purely coincidental.
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
August 05 2011 15:26 GMT
#10
Charging an hourly fee seems kinda retarded, what if he just decides to fuck around for 2 hours, it'd make more sense to charge based on what rank the account is currently in and how many games are played on that account.

I highly doubt this is legal because, as someone mentioned, account sharing is illegal. Though I don't know if Blizzard is going to actively stop this, it's probably not high on their priority list of things they need to handle. Of course I could be wrong, if they have enough time to send out personal letters to remind everyone, in case anyone forgot, that separating accounts by server really sucks and not let anyone practice with their region locked acounnt, they have enough time to crack down on this.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26003 Posts
August 05 2011 15:30 GMT
#11
Do you have any proof? Hopefully he reads this and immediately stops/
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Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8914 Posts
August 05 2011 15:30 GMT
#12
The shitty part is that it'd probably take Desrow 40+ hours to finally win enough games to level up your account. You get what you pay for.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
August 05 2011 15:32 GMT
#13
On August 06 2011 00:30 Chill wrote:
Do you have any proof? Hopefully he reads this and immediately stops/

Well, he's doing it right now :/
Nightmare1795 wrote: I played a guy in bronze who said he was Japanese. That was the only game I ever dropped a nuke, which was purely coincidental.
PeZuY
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
935 Posts
August 05 2011 15:38 GMT
#14
Is this against TL rules also?
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
August 05 2011 15:42 GMT
#15
On August 06 2011 00:38 PeZuY wrote:
Is this against TL rules also?


From my understanding what you do on your stream is your own business but TL can choose not to support it and what not. I know in the past they ban known cheaters and hackers but this isnt cheating but it is against the terms of service so i dont know. Maybe a mod could give some clarfication.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-05 15:52:56
August 05 2011 15:52 GMT
#16
On August 05 2011 23:57 iPAndi wrote:
Is this legal considering Blizzard's stance on people portrait farming and such?

This is definitely NOT legal, but Blizzard is too busy bugging people like HuK and TLO anyway, so desrow is fine for the moment.
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10759 Posts
August 05 2011 16:00 GMT
#17
LOL Everytime I find a new thread about Desrow it is always some negative stuff he is doing, no offense but I find it really funny too that TL features a player with this sort of behavior, basically all the extra revenue he is making is because he is a featured stream on TL, in other words if he wasn't featured he wouldn't have as many viewers and therefor wouldn't be able to rip off as many people.

So sad that not long ago I read the thread about him posting all that drama between Reign and Pheonix on reddit, and now this lol.

Money is the root of all evil.
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Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
August 05 2011 16:00 GMT
#18
What an easy freaking way to make money. A shameful way as well.
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
August 05 2011 16:01 GMT
#19
On August 06 2011 00:24 Antoine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2011 23:59 PassiveAce wrote:
Its not like its actually hurting anyone except the player who pays. Now that guy can lose $15/h and get roflstomped by people much better then him when he starts laddering.

what about the people who should be matched against those roughly of their own skill but then hit desrow on the other person's account?


Point taken, its not fair for those people to lose their points.

still seems so foolish for the buyer though :p
Also, why would someone watch a stream of a master crushing low level players?
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moltenlead
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada866 Posts
August 05 2011 16:07 GMT
#20
Well, I think I'll just cross-post Destiny:

On July 08 2011 12:53 Destiny wrote:
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On July 08 2011 12:10 smacky wrote:
More about vtdesrow

Hey guys, I'm a french canadian starcraft 2 player. I play protoss and I will be streaming high level practice and coaching session as well. My rate is 25$/hr. I can also grind/power-level(ladder your account) for 25$/hr up to masters. To schedule from now, you need to use this page: http://desrowfighting.com/schedule There is more information to read here: http://desrowfighting.com/coaching If you have any questions you can email me at this adress d3srow@gmail.com Here's my personal website: http://desrowfighting.com Here's m


bro i thought this was a violation of eula....also you ran commercials on your stream for ttesports the last time you power leveled an account on eu...sponsor ok with you basically cheating and pimping there keyboards. never made it to masters so i guess no harm done eh. just a question...when you power level an account do you actually log in as them and play as if you are them or do you give your opponents the opportunity to object and accept your offer to quit the game because you are going to steal points otherwise? just curious if you let your hapless ladder victims know they are getting cheated themselves and then leave ofc when they would rather not donate their points to your soon to be masters cheat accomplice....

btw...i dont like when professional gamers accept money to play on other peoples accounts. i believe you are victimizing people and should be removed from the featured streamers as a result...just my humble opinion. have a nice day sir


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srsly though, I don't know why you're making such a big deal about this. A lot of people have been known to play and smurf on accounts, it seems like you're taking incredible offense to this for no reason.

From: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182984&currentpage=14#265

It really doesn't matter that much to me if I lose 1 match due to playing a pro. Following the same logic, then aren't we doing the same thing when a pro buys a smurf and streams his placements, as he is stealing the ladder points of lower leagues as well?
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