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andiCR
Costa Rica2273 Posts
I was recently watching desrow's stream, and he was basically saying he was charging $15/h for power leveling an account. What's power leveling? As I understand it, its basically laddering on someone's account so they rank higher. Is this legal considering Blizzard's stance on people portrait farming and such? Should this be endorsed on TLnet? I mean, i love watching desrow, but charging a fee for doing something that to me seems shady doesn't make me feel comfortable.    | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9641 Posts
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
Of course its not legal by blizzard, ala the whole TLO/Huk fiasco. But newbs will pay anything to get that masters icon on their account I guess. edit: im surprised someone like desrow, who im assuming wants to be taken seriously as a progamer? would offer a service like this publicly.. Guess it really is all about the money for him. | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
What the fuck is he thinking? | ||
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lantz
United States762 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ^^kidding | ||
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
Edit: heres the thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=217746 Select's response I noticed it is against the rule >< I erased my leveling page | ||
Antoine
United States7481 Posts
On August 05 2011 23:59 PassiveAce wrote: Its not like its actually hurting anyone except the player who pays. Now that guy can lose $15/h and get roflstomped by people much better then him when he starts laddering. what about the people who should be matched against those roughly of their own skill but then hit desrow on the other person's account? | ||
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andiCR
Costa Rica2273 Posts
On August 06 2011 00:24 Antoine wrote: what about the people who should be matched against those roughly of their own skill but then hit desrow on the other person's account? Exactly this. The more I think about it, the lamer it gets :/ | ||
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Count9
China10928 Posts
I highly doubt this is legal because, as someone mentioned, account sharing is illegal. Though I don't know if Blizzard is going to actively stop this, it's probably not high on their priority list of things they need to handle. Of course I could be wrong, if they have enough time to send out personal letters to remind everyone, in case anyone forgot, that separating accounts by server really sucks and not let anyone practice with their region locked acounnt, they have enough time to crack down on this. | ||
Chill
Calgary25980 Posts
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Flaccid
8835 Posts
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andiCR
Costa Rica2273 Posts
On August 06 2011 00:30 Chill wrote: Do you have any proof? Hopefully he reads this and immediately stops/ Well, he's doing it right now :/ | ||
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PeZuY
935 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9641 Posts
On August 06 2011 00:38 PeZuY wrote: Is this against TL rules also? From my understanding what you do on your stream is your own business but TL can choose not to support it and what not. I know in the past they ban known cheaters and hackers but this isnt cheating but it is against the terms of service so i dont know. Maybe a mod could give some clarfication. | ||
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
On August 05 2011 23:57 iPAndi wrote: Is this legal considering Blizzard's stance on people portrait farming and such? This is definitely NOT legal, but Blizzard is too busy bugging people like HuK and TLO anyway, so desrow is fine for the moment. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10671 Posts
So sad that not long ago I read the thread about him posting all that drama between Reign and Pheonix on reddit, and now this lol. Money is the root of all evil. | ||
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Dalguno
United States2446 Posts
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
On August 06 2011 00:24 Antoine wrote: what about the people who should be matched against those roughly of their own skill but then hit desrow on the other person's account? Point taken, its not fair for those people to lose their points. still seems so foolish for the buyer though :p Also, why would someone watch a stream of a master crushing low level players? | ||
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moltenlead
Canada866 Posts
On July 08 2011 12:53 Destiny wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 08 2011 12:10 smacky wrote: More about vtdesrow Hey guys, I'm a french canadian starcraft 2 player. I play protoss and I will be streaming high level practice and coaching session as well. My rate is 25$/hr. I can also grind/power-level(ladder your account) for 25$/hr up to masters. To schedule from now, you need to use this page: http://desrowfighting.com/schedule There is more information to read here: http://desrowfighting.com/coaching If you have any questions you can email me at this adress d3srow@gmail.com Here's my personal website: http://desrowfighting.com Here's m bro i thought this was a violation of eula....also you ran commercials on your stream for ttesports the last time you power leveled an account on eu...sponsor ok with you basically cheating and pimping there keyboards. never made it to masters so i guess no harm done eh. just a question...when you power level an account do you actually log in as them and play as if you are them or do you give your opponents the opportunity to object and accept your offer to quit the game because you are going to steal points otherwise? just curious if you let your hapless ladder victims know they are getting cheated themselves and then leave ofc when they would rather not donate their points to your soon to be masters cheat accomplice.... btw...i dont like when professional gamers accept money to play on other peoples accounts. i believe you are victimizing people and should be removed from the featured streamers as a result...just my humble opinion. have a nice day sir [mod edit: cat meme] srsly though, I don't know why you're making such a big deal about this. A lot of people have been known to play and smurf on accounts, it seems like you're taking incredible offense to this for no reason. From: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182984¤tpage=14#265 It really doesn't matter that much to me if I lose 1 match due to playing a pro. Following the same logic, then aren't we doing the same thing when a pro buys a smurf and streams his placements, as he is stealing the ladder points of lower leagues as well? | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On August 06 2011 00:03 Skyze wrote: these kind of things are the posts you'd find on many of the hacker/shady forums (I only know cause I went searching for cheaper CDkeys for EU, which honestly the amount of scams happening its better to just buy from blizz) - but there are so many "I'll bring your account to masters for $100" posts, its ridiculous that people actually make money off it. Of course its not legal by blizzard, ala the whole TLO/Huk fiasco. But newbs will pay anything to get that masters icon on their account I guess. edit: im surprised someone like desrow, who im assuming wants to be taken seriously as a progamer? would offer a service like this publicly.. Guess it really is all about the money for him. I don't know alot of people who take him seriously in the first place | ||
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
On August 06 2011 00:30 Chill wrote: Do you have any proof? Hopefully he reads this and immediately stops/ destiny has been doing it also I don't get what's wrong about this.. If it is truely an issue I'll stop streaming it | ||
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NvNcBLe
United States27 Posts
On August 06 2011 01:27 desrow wrote: destiny has been doing it also I don't get what's wrong about this.. If it is truely an issue I'll stop streaming it Two wrongs don't make a right. | ||
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andiCR
Costa Rica2273 Posts
1 1 1 1 1 :/ Good job jumping on the bandwagon, grow up | ||
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Mackem
United Kingdom470 Posts
You agree that you will not, under any circumstances: 2.2 exploit the Service, a Game or any part thereof for any commercial purpose, including without limitation (a) use at a cyber cafe, computer gaming center or any other commercial establishment without the express written consent of Blizzard; (b) to communicate or facilitate any commercial advertisement or solicitation; (c) for gathering in-game currency, items or resources for sale outside the Game without Blizzard’s authorization; (d) selling or trading Game characters or accounts for the Service and/or a Game; or (e) performing in-game services in exchange for payment outside the Game, e.g., power-leveling; | ||
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Jathin
United States3505 Posts
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Dalguno
United States2446 Posts
On August 06 2011 01:27 desrow wrote: destiny has been doing it also I don't get what's wrong about this.. If it is truely an issue I'll stop streaming it And stopping streaming it, if there is something wrong with it, solves the problem? | ||
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Azuroz
Sweden1630 Posts
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Tegin
United States840 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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Ramennoodlesoup
United States24 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25980 Posts
On August 06 2011 00:42 Darkdeath3 wrote: From my understanding what you do on your stream is your own business but TL can choose not to support it and what not. I know in the past they ban known cheaters and hackers but this isnt cheating but it is against the terms of service so i dont know. Maybe a mod could give some clarfication. TL will not police your stream if you are rude and abuse your power. However, TL will unfeature or disable your stream if you are caught cheating, restreaming events, or acting illegally. In this case, Desrow will be unfeatured if he continues to stream 'powerleveling'. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25980 Posts
On August 06 2011 01:27 desrow wrote: destiny has been doing it also I don't get what's wrong about this.. If it is truely an issue I'll stop streaming it As I PMd you, stop streaming it immediately. | ||
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PeZuY
935 Posts
On August 06 2011 01:58 Chill wrote: TL will not police your stream if you are rude and abuse your power. However, TL will unfeature or disable your stream if you are caught cheating, restreaming events, or acting illegally. In this case, Desrow will be unfeatured if he continues to stream 'powerleveling'. Thanks for clarifying Chill. Guess the discussion can be dropped now, unless desrow still streams powerleveling. | ||
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
On August 06 2011 01:58 Chill wrote: TL will not police your stream if you are rude and abuse your power. However, TL will unfeature or disable your stream if you are caught cheating, restreaming events, or acting illegally. In this case, Desrow will be unfeatured if he continues to stream 'powerleveling'. Thanks for the warning. I talked with hotbid I think a month ago when someone else got upset about this and it definitely sounded like a grey area. You can rest assured that I won't be streaming it anymore. | ||
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Guardian1972
United States40 Posts
On August 06 2011 01:32 iPAndi wrote: "So everyone, type 1 if you want me to ban ipandi" 1 1 1 1 1 :/ Good job jumping on the bandwagon, grow up Most said ( 1 ) just to get him back to streaming games .... we didn't join the stream for him to talk about his smurfing/powerleveling .... personally it's between him and blizzard .... who cares if that person is in masters . | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
Fun. desrow I wish you'd just go back to yelling at people you were coaching. That had much more entertainment value than this -_- please don't help people into masters for them. stick with teaching please. | ||
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andiCR
Costa Rica2273 Posts
On August 06 2011 02:02 Guardian1972 wrote: Most said ( 1 ) just to get him back to streaming games .... we didn't join the stream for him to talk about his smurfing/powerleveling .... personally it's between him and blizzard .... who cares if that person is in masters . alt tab -> continue streaming. | ||
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Shameless
Netherlands349 Posts
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Marcus420
Canada1923 Posts
On August 06 2011 02:01 desrow wrote: Thanks for the warning. I talked with hotbid I think a month ago when someone else got upset about this and it definitely sounded like a grey area. You can rest assured that I won't be streaming it anymore. good to hear  +1 respect for seeing your mistakes and taking action. | ||
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Tegin
United States840 Posts
On August 06 2011 02:06 Marcus420 wrote: good to hear +1 respect for seeing your mistakes and taking action. How is not streaming it taking action for a "mistake"? It's violating Blizzard's ToS regardless of if he streams it or not. | ||
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PeZuY
935 Posts
On August 06 2011 02:11 Tegin wrote: How is not streaming it taking action for a "mistake"? It's violating Blizzard's ToS regardless of if he streams it or not. Well since you can't know is he or is he not playing on another account powerleveling some bronze player, there is not much you can do about it. But still its better this way that he can't stream it atleast. | ||
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Swad1000
United States366 Posts
On August 06 2011 02:04 Shameless wrote: People paying for things like this are freaking sad, i've seen the same shit happen on Protech's stream, but his fee is like 40 dollars an hour and ppl actually pay it... :S Find the vods and send that shit to blizzard. People who do this stuff should be permabanned from sc2. | ||
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Tegin
United States840 Posts
On August 06 2011 02:20 Swad1000 wrote: Find the vods and send that shit to blizzard. People who do this stuff should be permabanned from sc2. /signed. Especially someone who considers himself as a professional yet can't follow simple rules. | ||
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x3m
Romania1 Post
Stop judging other people, and look in your own yard. Sad you're getting your *** kicked in ladder ? Stop playing! Sad you're in lower leagues ? Stop Playing! Sad you don't have enough money ? Learn SC and power-level other dudes for it ! Omg I can't believe people really care so much 'bout other peoples shit! Peace des ! User was banned for this post. | ||
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andiCR
Costa Rica2273 Posts
On August 06 2011 02:26 Tegin wrote: /signed. Especially someone who considers himself as a professional yet can't follow simple rules. I dont think this should turn into some kind of witch hunt, I just wished he stopped doing this stupid shit and he says he's gonna stop, so thats good for me. Gl desrow, just dont act like an ass next time someone finds something bothering them on your stream. | ||
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piknic
Canada59 Posts
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PeZuY
935 Posts
On August 06 2011 02:33 x3m wrote: WTF are you all so legal and **** ??? Stop judging other people, and look in your own yard. Sad you're getting your *** kicked in ladder ? Stop playing! Sad you're in lower leagues ? Stop Playing! Sad you don't have enough money ? Learn SC and power-level other dudes for it ! Omg I can't believe people really care so much 'bout other peoples shit! Peace des ! Guess you are the kind of anti police fellow. Fuck the laws fuck the rules. Atleast desrow hasn't been douche of this and has stopped streaming powerleveling as for time being. | ||
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
On August 06 2011 02:02 Probe1 wrote: So Blizzard sends a cease and desist call to HuK for playing on TLO's account because his MMR is broken while desrow intentionally violates the ToS for profit? Fun. HuK and TLO wouldn't get warnings either if one of them took money from the other. Hirosue got unfeatured without a warning when he let scan stream on his account iirc. I thought that TL is sensitive about this kind of issues and would unfeature desrow as well. | ||
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clandbrown
United States1 Post
User was banned for this post. | ||
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Poo
Canada536 Posts
On August 06 2011 00:30 Chill wrote: Do you have any proof? Hopefully he reads this and immediately stops/ I've seen him do it multiple times on his stream. I'm not sure if he keeps vods, but if he does they're there (somewhere.. Lol someone may be able to point you more specifically :D ) | ||
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Th1rdEye
United States1074 Posts
as far as the topic goes, it's obviously not moral on both parties (guy who wants it, guy who does it) | ||
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Kronos84
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PeZuY
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Beefwipe
United Kingdom56 Posts
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