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Sotamursu
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Torte de Lini
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On August 03 2011 16:06 isleyofthenorth wrote: the first picture is great Thank you, they're all on my balcony~ I see a lot of weather changes throughout the day so I decided to take pictures. On August 04 2011 01:29 Meantime wrote: Disney is awesome! And it leads to even more awesome remixes: This is great! Pogo does such amazing music! I love his shit! | ||
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Schmieds
United States312 Posts
Edit: You know why? Because a cat's only cat that knooooooooows how to swiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing. | ||
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Thrill
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On August 03 2011 14:52 Torte de Lini wrote: "I will be staring at my book about adult-topics: The Gender Perspectives of Sociology" "There's something about these movies that call out the best of anyone who watches." So i suppose staring =/= reading. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Pretty much when you've done it for long strenuous hours over a course of several months. | ||
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Thrill
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On August 04 2011 03:57 Torte de Lini wrote: Pretty much when you've done it for long strenuous hours over a course of several months. I was more talking in reference to the way gender theory ruined Disney for me. The 'classic' movies cement some appallingly sexist values. They're pretty much as bad as giving a barbie doll and an easy-bake oven to your daughter and some army men figures and Lego's to your son. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On August 04 2011 04:57 Thrill wrote: I was more talking in reference to the way gender theory ruined Disney for me. The 'classic' movies cement some appallingly sexist values. They're pretty much as bad as giving a barbie doll and an easy-bake oven to your daughter and some army men figures and Lego's to your son. I think if you take a gander at the time these films were made, what their main intentions were and what a child retains as a child, you'll come to realize that these established implicit views from the Disney films aren't intentionally malicious. Are they apparent to you and I? The educated and the sociologically imagined? You bet. To a child? Not at first, but in due they'll come to acknowledge these poor values set by the Disney industry, but you discredit the flexibility and sponginess of a child's values and understanding of the world they live in and as they grow and see Mommy doing things that contradict what the cartoons imply, they'll form their own understanding. Disney films also have discriminatory implications as well, but those who can grasp things within their contextual timeline tend to overlook these things and focus more on the benefits of these films. To put it bluntly, you're not achieving much by your "insightful" view. If I wanted this subject to be mechanically understood and sociologically keen, I'd have worded it that way rather through description of emotions. I appreciate the "other side" aspect you're trying to give, but you're insinuating things I never wanted to be a debate or form of discussion :3 | ||
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Z3kk
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Every time I see one of your photos, I absolutely have to pause and sort of stare dreamily at it while I let my imagination run away and I ponder anything and everything... | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
All my photos are of the same three spots on my balcony. You can actually compare them all to see how it looks~ Thank you :3 | ||
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Thrill
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On August 04 2011 05:45 Torte de Lini wrote: Disney films aren't intentionally malicious. Are they apparent to you and I? The educated and the sociologically imagined? You bet. To a child? Not at first, but in due they'll come to acknowledge these poor values set by the Disney industry, but you discredit the flexibility and sponginess of a child's values and understanding of the world they live in and as they grow and see Mommy doing things that contradict what the cartoons imply, they'll form their own understanding. The problem isn't the kids with parents who have a balanced perspective. The problem is the kids who are sat in front of the TV while mommy and daddy are working or who, for lack of better words; have stupid parents with very unequal relationships. You're writing about an escape into a 'better world' and that's exactly it - that's what a cartoon for children should be! If your stepfather is beating your mom and you're told on a regular basis you're ugly or otherwise undesirable, that movie you watch should take you to a better world. That world shouldn't be about waiting around for a handsome prince to come rescue you, it shouldn't be about ugly ducklings turning into swans and it shouldn't portray some skewed version of a utopia for the entitled that you, if scrappy enough, may enter into. I'm not saying "don't enjoy Disney", i'm merely saying that if we don't want another generation of Miss USA contestants who question evolution openly in interviews it might behoove us to come up with some new cartoons that help with perspective where parents fail. I don't worry about my own hypothetical kids growing up with skewed Disney dreams, i'm worried about them not fitting into the collective mainstream dream Disney upholds and protects. But yeah - won't take this any further. I just think whenever Disney is mentioned in a positive light its darker side should be mentioned as well. If a blog is made with Youtube videos of North Korean parades or the Nürnburg gatherings proclaiming how cool they look, you don't really have to include a disclaimer saying "ofc this is all really bad because ..." but in so many minds there's still nothing wrong with Disney. -- EDIT: Meh, don't want to come off as all high and mighty, it's just the title of your blog that stabs me in they eye.. Really wasn't expecting an all-positive ode to Disney when i saw the title. It's teamliquid.net i'm pissed off at, not you. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Television has its upsets and can be frail, but there are some educated values in television that can help a child. I'm writing about a source of feel-good emotions and concepts that are a staple to moral stability of one's path to adulthood and understanding of the basic concepts of values and taking into account the feelings of others. It's an escape or an outlet, but a source to consider. No amount of television will compensate the disproportionate relationship between two parents and its chaotic atmosphere on a child. That's ridiculous and unfounded, memoirs write about how, as a child, one would escape to cartoons when there was bickering between parents and it "saved" him/her similar to video-games, but it neither substituted nor was very reliable for the void of egotistical parents who couldn't put aside their differences or poor behaviors for the care of the child. You're not escaping if you aren't free from the emotional harm. Your third paragraph is just ranting. I'm not saying "don't enjoy Disney", i'm merely saying that if we don't want another generation of Miss USA contestants who question evolution openly in interviews it might behoove us to come up with some new cartoons that help with perspective where parents fail. Nothing wrong with Miss USA contestants nor those who are proud or accepting of alternative theories. The issue here is that you are not distinguishing other perspectives and saying: I personally disagree with it and think it's stupid, therefore it is wrong based on my theory that has scientific support. I disagree with XYZ theories that are Darwinian or based on mounds of research, but I respect anyone who chooses, willingly and openly, to consider alternatives that have, in part, an acceptance in non-cult societies. There is a similarity of complaints from people who see "arranged marriages" as an equal weight to holding back equal values you feel so strongly about, but never consider those who actually have their marriages arranged and enjoy it or prefer it that way (and their reasoning is logical and justified). Miss USA contestants often give off the idea that women are objectified or judged on parts or issues that other genders or same genders don't find any value or feel it is deserving to be judged on, but have you asked those contestants how they feel about it and feel about your viewpoint? As long as you teach your hypothetical kids that it is okay to be themselves, to be rational and reasonable on their own, the fear of conformity or the idea that they need to conform will evaporate on its own. I am a product of this and I can tell you my childhood through an 8-year timeline if you want. I understand your viewpoint (it is my major after all), but I'm not feigning ignorance, just speaking in forms of anecdotes. If I wanted to debate, I have two papers to write about how orgasms through 4 centuries, either helped men pay attention to women's health, gave liberty of expression to women based on a misconception and then propaganda robbed women of their right to feel if they don't want to be viewed as inferior to men and then the stigma of sexually-active women continues until this day. If you want to criticize Disney, you're going to have criticize forms of communication, entertainment and ultimately, the way things are conveyed, portrayed, transferred or given to the viewers. EDIT: Meh, don't want to come off as all high and mighty, it's just the title of your blog that stabs me in they eye.. Really wasn't expecting an all-positive ode to Disney when i saw the title. It's teamliquid.net i'm pissed off at, not you. When we speak in retrospectively, we tend to only remember what we want to remember. It's positive because I want it to be positive. | ||
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