• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:49
CET 22:49
KST 06:49
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy5ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289
Community News
Weekly Cups (May 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises0Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool42Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12
StarCraft 2
General
What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) Weekly Cups (May 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Potential Updates Coming to the SC2 CN Server Weekly Cups (March 2-8): ByuN overcomes PvT block
Tourneys
World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Team League Season 10 KSL Week 87
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death
Brood War
General
Soulkey's decision to leave C9 BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ JaeDong's form before ASL [ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues ASL Season 21 LIVESTREAM with English Commentary [ASL21] Ro24 Group A [BSL22] Open Qualifiers & Ladder Tours
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] Formula 1 Discussion Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
U4GM Tips Counter Enemy Gadgets Fast in Black Ops rsvsr How to Keep Reward Chains Rolling in Monopol u4gm What to Do First in MLB The Show 26 Spring
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1584 users

Disney is more than Nostalgia

Blogs > Torte de Lini
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-03 06:13:34
August 03 2011 05:52 GMT
#1
This happens to me all the time. I will be staring at my book about adult-topics: The Gender Perspectives of Sociology, Alienation of Labour & The Protestant Ethic with the Spirit of Capitalism. These things that make you realize that you are getting older, drawn to know the world that surrounds you and see all of its ugly contradictions. You read views from theorists and philosophers years in the past make statements that still ring heavily true today, an example? Beccaria's view of torture and justice still has a hold in today's system of law.

For a moment, you gander outside and ponder: can a world that I've grown free of worry and fear be this horrendous, monstrous and mechanical?

You take a strong look, sigh at the downpour of the rain and watch the different shades of gray shadow the diorama of this city; one among many.

[image loading]
Just one look and you feel this discouraged feeling of peace and calm overcome you.


Back to your computer, you do what any bored employee, student or child does. Explore YouTube for mild amusement, but like anyone at one point or another, you stumble across old Disney films. I'm sure you can name 6 easy ones without breaking a sweat or feeling even nearly ashamed of these films. And it only takes one song to truly want you to fall back into the rabbit hole!

There's something about Disney during those older times that nearly take your breath away, steal your mind and let it drift upon the lake of great films, great music and captivating scenes. There's something about Disney that isn't nostalgic, you don't get this sense that the times are lost, that these morals are lost upon the newer generations. You're aware of the possibility, but as you watch Ariel sing, Jasmine being taken on a whole new world or the Belle being waltzed by a refined Beast. You don't think: "Goddamn kids are missing out on these classics!", you don't think. You just watch and smile, laugh, tilt your head in agreement, in a soft soothed feeling of agreement and genuine sentiment.

There's something about these movies that call out the best of anyone who watches. You watch films by Dream Works and you can see an attempt to gear jokes to certain audiences (the parents or the children). They're funny, witty, but you know you're either alone or amongst the few who get the pop. culture reference or the more adult-centered comedic relief:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvO3_orG_mg

This is the best I could find off-hand. Shrek does a lot of pop. culture references though

Very funny, yet... not the same. When you sit down and watch whether alone, with your partner or with family. There is no shame, no feeling of being out of place. You know this film, somehow, encompasses everyone and everything in a remote state of being humanly swayed by emotions.

When you watch the film, you are taken, to a certain extent, to a level of emotions that grasps that you have a nature of normality. The knowledge that you are not alone and at least normal on some ground or force.

And the songs? My God, how do they do it? How do they manage to make songs that are easy to remember, beautifully written, yet used with nearly simple words sung with such passion, strength and humbleness. I say humility because these singers aren't exactly known or famous and yet they sing so beautifully and I, personally, can't think of anyone who could do it with such genuine beauty and passion!

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7XLnxKlYEo

Generally, love scenes make me uncomfortable because they leave me unconvinced or simply poorly placed. But yet... with this smooth song, the lyrics speaking in point of views and the continuation of narrating a psychological side of the story, I feel spoiled with glee and joy and deep interest.


+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSS5dEeMX64

Another great one later on in the years. It's funny, powerful and towards the end; it becomes motivating and even inspirational (to me at least).

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5jDlLJPz1A

Another one that originally never enjoyed, but the more I listen to it. The more it makes me feel I can achieve greatness. Do you songs that can do this? A cartoon of all things, a form that most associate with only making us laugh, but not go to the extent of telling compelling stories (often remakes of the actual book)

More? Almost done, I'm trying to find a good balance. Of course love stories have such prominence.
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pPUmv3U2XY

Another classic. Speaking exploration, the desire to see the world while hinting of women empowerment. A classic. She's spoiled, trapped by the security and strength of her father, but only desires to see the outer world. Never have such complaints been sung so melodiously and beautifully. It's sung so casually, but somehow... it's just beautiful and calming.

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVp01pdI81I

The antagonist is neither mysterious, hidden, yet his Scar's voice-acting is perfect. Dark, strong, devious. He's got this intellect of cynicism and sarcasm that compels us to smile in amusement. There's talk of death, a rise of a new king, etc. The whole song is sinister, evil and cool. Smooth even and attractive to the ears.


Simplicity, Being Genuine does leave us yearning for more in today's time. But as we are watching these films and listening to these songs, all feelings of resentment of today's current forms of children's media just dissolve and evaporate until the credits roll.

We reminisce, yet are thankful for what we can still look back on. There are tons of songs I skipped or overlooked (I didn't want to overload this topic with youtube videos). So feel free to post some you like the most, etc.

I think the biggest companies that achieve this level of genius innocence is Pixar (Toy Story, A Bug's Life, Ratatouille, Monsters Inc.) and

[image loading]

Studio Ghibli


Castle in the Sky, The Cat Returns, My Neighbor Totoro, Princess Mononoke, Spirited Away and Ponyo on the cliff by the sea.

Oh, have you heard of Joe Hisaishi's pieces?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMdJ9x0ITvU


This is the vocal version of it. I advocate this song all the time and if you like it, you can see why instantly. It's powerful, sweet and it leads you like a puppy; lapping for another note, another sound or even breath.

They capture an essence of youth, well-being and prosperity with each film that they do with reimagined creations, fantasy and realistic view of untouched and real children (not those caught in the whirlpool of materialism, entitlement and superficiality).

I have a paper to write, but I think I'll find my soul and childhood again.

[image loading]


P.S: All photos were captured on this weird stupid phone I have, sorry

****
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50653 Posts
August 03 2011 06:03 GMT
#2
damn I read the title of the blog and broke into song man.

I went from hakunamatata,to Bear Necessities to we are friends..

I love disney :3
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Riku
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1064 Posts
August 03 2011 06:07 GMT
#3
Ah, so very true. I love how movies can appeal to a large audience by having multiple layers of images and entertainment.
Creative Director, CEO at Stumbling Cat, Writer for Broken Joysticks - Twitter: @RikuKat
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-03 06:11:52
August 03 2011 06:07 GMT
#4
I went from One Jump Ahead, Kiss the Girl, Never had a friend like me to Colors of the Wind to Everybody wants to be a cat

+ Show Spoiler +


Oh and one of my favourites with the beautiful and elegant: Julie Andrews, Mary Poppins

+ Show Spoiler +




Beautiful voice, motherly almost.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-03 06:22:40
August 03 2011 06:21 GMT
#5
Make a man out of you is my favourite song

Especially because this man sang it
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
PaPoolee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands660 Posts
August 03 2011 06:35 GMT
#6
Is it bad that I read the topic and opened thinking it was Destiny is more than Nostalgia ?
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
August 03 2011 06:59 GMT
#7
First off, Aladdin for me thanks. Specifically



Now, time for some comprehensive engagement

This happens to me all the time. I will be staring at my book about adult-topics: The Gender Perspectives of Sociology, Alienation of Labour & The Protestant Ethic with the Spirit of Capitalism.
You have a very different reading list to me. Can't say I have read anything along these lines.

However this point
There's something about these movies that call out the best of anyone who watches. You watch films by Dream Works and you can see an attempt to gear jokes to certain audiences (the parents or the children). They're funny, witty, but you know you're either alone or amongst the few who get the pop. culture reference or the more adult-centered comedic relief.
is very very true.

Disney lasts because it is always essentially true. The jokes and humour are about characters and how they interact with each other. Take the hyenas from Lion King, you have the wise-ass (Whoopie at her best), the dumbass and the tough guy (ass?). Pretty standard trio but the humour comes from their interplay, not an obscure reference. This makes the movie timeless.

Disney movies also deal with difficult topics about growing up that are not really handled so well nowadays. Besides the Toy Story franchise, nothing comes to mind that captures heartache like Mufasa being runned down. The whole plot line is complex and difficult, even from an adult viewpoint. But always at its heart is essential truth. Work hard, live life, make it on your own and look out for those you love.

Of course Nostalgia plays its part, but asking me to try and think of Disney movies without Nostalgia is like asking Harry Potter fans to rate the series objectively. I can't be objective because Disney affected my childhood and as such will always colour my view.

Love the article mate, brilliant, simple and truthful
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
isleyofthenorth
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Austria894 Posts
August 03 2011 07:06 GMT
#8
the first picture is great
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
August 03 2011 07:23 GMT
#9
The music of Disney is really what makes it so prominent for me. How the songs can all fit together as 'canon' (the Disney albums of Greatest Hits really flow together) but all be so different really amazes me.

As for Studio Ghibli, GO KIKI.

And awesome pictures of the area around you, Torte.
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
August 03 2011 07:25 GMT
#10
Isn't part of these studios' success simply due to the fact that catharsis/representation of ideas is easier to achieve with the surreal?
Come motivate me to be cynical about animus at http://infinityandone.blogspot.com/ // Stork proxy gates are beautiful.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
August 03 2011 07:39 GMT
#11
aaaaaaahhhhhhhh disney songs are so good (I'll Make a Man out of You; Hakuna Matata; I Can't Wait to Be King; Be Prepared; Colors of the Wind, Bear Necessities, Under the Sea, A Whole New World!...). they do tend to overuse the half-step-up transposition though...

one thing though, it would be nice if you resized the pics
Writer
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-03 07:40:26
August 03 2011 07:39 GMT
#12
I assumed everyone enabled the options to resize the pictures so it wouldn't distort the layout.
Check your profile to do so.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=250809

I'll get through all the replies tomorrow guys @_@
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3007 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-03 07:46:42
August 03 2011 07:43 GMT
#13
On August 03 2011 16:39 ]343[ wrote:
aaaaaaahhhhhhhh disney songs are so good (I'll Make a Man out of You; Hakuna Matata; I Can't Wait to Be King; Be Prepared; Colors of the Wind, Bear Necessities, Under the Sea, A Whole New World!...).

+1
miss the good old days of animated disney films.
songs in those films were epic
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-03 12:54:08
August 03 2011 12:50 GMT
#14
Bedknobs and Broomsticks was the fucking shit.

Magically animated suits of armor beating back Nazis? Hell yes, please.

Stay a while and listen || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=354018
Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
August 03 2011 13:17 GMT
#15
that mulan song is so baws. love playing video games to it. get AMPED
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
August 03 2011 14:32 GMT
#16


IT WILL NEVER LEAVE, IT WILL NEVER LEAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-03 16:25:34
August 03 2011 16:24 GMT
#17
On August 03 2011 16:25 ymir233 wrote:
Isn't part of these studios' success simply due to the fact that catharsis/representation of ideas is easier to achieve with the surreal?


No, not entirely. If you make a cartoon or tinker with the surreal or even the imaginary, you have to ensure that the viewer is not estranged.

To speak, with Pixar films, although all their characters are bugs in It's a Bug's Life, they ensure that the characters have human voices and familiar or kind ones at that (you'll see Ratzenburger in almost every Pixar film). The beauty of Disney films is that they take adult classical stories that stand the age of time and make a parallel retelling of the story for children while maintaining the human familiarity to it so that the viewer doesn't feel alienated.

In other words, what they do is tell classic moral stories, but change the scene, the characters and the story every time. It's the same formula of storytelling (essentially), just everything is new or different.

On August 03 2011 15:35 PaPoolee wrote:
Is it bad that I read the topic and opened thinking it was Destiny is more than Nostalgia ?


If you felt deceived or draw nothing from this blog, then it is bad.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Meantime
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany140 Posts
August 03 2011 16:29 GMT
#18
Disney is awesome! And it leads to even more awesome remixes:

I've been thinking what to do wit' my future. I could be a mud doctor. Checkin' out the eart'. Underneat'
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-03 16:38:40
August 03 2011 16:36 GMT
#19
On August 03 2011 15:21 SEA_GenesiS wrote:
Make a man out of you is my favourite song

Especially because this man sang it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t80k2sBZmY


The chinese version is great too, Jackie Chan is awesome~

On August 03 2011 15:59 Probulous wrote:
First off, Aladdin for me thanks. Specifically

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd07uvkTeKo

Now, time for some comprehensive engagement

Show nested quote +
This happens to me all the time. I will be staring at my book about adult-topics: The Gender Perspectives of Sociology, Alienation of Labour & The Protestant Ethic with the Spirit of Capitalism.
You have a very different reading list to me. Can't say I have read anything along these lines.

However this point
Show nested quote +
There's something about these movies that call out the best of anyone who watches. You watch films by Dream Works and you can see an attempt to gear jokes to certain audiences (the parents or the children). They're funny, witty, but you know you're either alone or amongst the few who get the pop. culture reference or the more adult-centered comedic relief.
is very very true.

Disney lasts because it is always essentially true. The jokes and humour are about characters and how they interact with each other. Take the hyenas from Lion King, you have the wise-ass (Whoopie at her best), the dumbass and the tough guy (ass?). Pretty standard trio but the humour comes from their interplay, not an obscure reference. This makes the movie timeless.

Disney movies also deal with difficult topics about growing up that are not really handled so well nowadays. Besides the Toy Story franchise, nothing comes to mind that captures heartache like Mufasa being runned down. The whole plot line is complex and difficult, even from an adult viewpoint. But always at its heart is essential truth. Work hard, live life, make it on your own and look out for those you love.

Of course Nostalgia plays its part, but asking me to try and think of Disney movies without Nostalgia is like asking Harry Potter fans to rate the series objectively. I can't be objective because Disney affected my childhood and as such will always colour my view.

Love the article mate, brilliant, simple and truthful


You can actually approach Disney films with feeling nostalgic (as I did above), they're nostalgic because they still invoke the same kind of feelings as they did before, perhaps not as strong, but feelings nonetheless. Thats a key quality to take into account.

https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
August 03 2011 17:00 GMT
#20
You know what's better than the chinese version of Mulan song?

My sister and I found it a few years ago when we smoked pot. It's pretty messed up to hear something ingrained in your childhood in German.

By messed up I mean hilarious xD
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 12h 11m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SteadfastSC 144
Codebar 21
StarCraft: Brood War
LancerX 28
Dota 2
monkeys_forever216
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
fl0m4650
pashabiceps2274
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu441
Other Games
Grubby3742
FrodaN2534
shahzam401
ZombieGrub216
KnowMe211
B2W.Neo197
C9.Mang0144
Trikslyr48
UpATreeSC43
JuggernautJason13
deth6
summit1g0
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream37
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 97
• davetesta31
• Adnapsc2 13
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Eskiya23 29
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• imaqtpie1227
• Shiphtur289
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
12h 11m
Afreeca Starleague
12h 11m
Soulkey vs Ample
JyJ vs sSak
Replay Cast
1d 11h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 12h
hero vs YSC
Larva vs Shine
Kung Fu Cup
1d 13h
Replay Cast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
WardiTV Team League
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Team League
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Cure vs Zoun
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Team League
4 days
Platinum Heroes Events
4 days
BSL
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
ByuN vs Maru
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
WardiTV Team League
5 days
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Light vs Calm
Royal vs Mind
Wardi Open
6 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-22
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
NationLESS Cup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

2026 Changsha Offline CUP
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.