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mapthesoul
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Trinidad/Tobago429 Posts
July 29 2011 15:45 GMT
#21
Sucks that there isn't an absolute standard for romanazing hangul. : /
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 16:03:00
July 29 2011 15:59 GMT
#22
On July 30 2011 00:45 mapthesoul wrote:
Sucks that there isn't an absolute standard for romanazing hangul. : /


But there is?

However english does seem like a poor target from korean, the 'eo' is pretty much a perfect swedish ö, the 'o' a swedish short å, and the ae is close to a swedish 'ä', the 'u' is a nice swedish u, which isnt really close to how you americans would pronounce the letter... the 'ee' is a nice swedish 'i' aswell! The 'eu' is really the only funky one. Maybe a decent west swedish ô.

In older swedish texts you actually se Seoul as Söul instead, fits perfectly.

Now that I think about it, I would have a much easier time explaining swedish pronounciations of Å, Ä, Ö, U and I to americans using Hangul than latin letters...

I Jeh Dång (Lee Jae Dong doesnt even use a ae lol, maybe the difference isnt so noticeable for an american, but to me they sound like two completely different sounds)
mapthesoul
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Trinidad/Tobago429 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 16:11:01
July 29 2011 16:08 GMT
#23
On July 30 2011 00:59 Catch]22 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2011 00:45 mapthesoul wrote:
Sucks that there isn't an absolute standard for romanazing hangul. : /


But there is?

Nah.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yale_Romanization
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revised_Romanization_of_Korean
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCune–Reischauer

Your points are very interesting and something I've thought about for a long time. It's the same with Japanese, pretty easy for us Swedes to pronounce.
ooni
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia1498 Posts
July 29 2011 16:10 GMT
#24
On July 30 2011 00:45 mapthesoul wrote:
Sucks that there isn't an absolute standard for romanazing hangul. : /

Oh... There is... it's just that people are terrible at it.

On July 30 2011 00:20 Virtue wrote:
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On July 29 2011 23:17 Milkis wrote:
On July 29 2011 22:43 Suc wrote:
I was wondering if a Korean speaker could help me out here. For his ID in hangeul, 동래구, wouldn't you pronounce it 동내구 because ㅇ and ㄹ are next to each other? If this is true, wouldn't this make his ID DongNaeGu, instead of DongRaeGu, or do you just disregard situational pronunciation when romanising and just treat each character as its own?


I literally just read this and I was like "this rule exists?" and then I read DRG's name out loud and I realized I pronounced it DongNaeGu lol


My korean teacher had the same kind of reaction when I asked her about all of the rules. I referenced the names they give each one in the book and she didn't know what I was talking about until she looked at the words. She just said,"I'm glad I just know how to pronounce these from growing up speaking the language. There are too many little rules to remember!"

I guess for people without linguistic background.

Place of articulation
ㅁㅂㅍ bilabials (hey look the characters even look similar)
ㅇㄱㅋ velars

Manner of articulation
ㅁㄴㅇ nasals
ㅂㄱ voiced
ㅍㅋ voiceless

합니다 => 함니다
Hapnida -> Hamnida
ㅂ + ㄴ = ㅁ
bilabial voiced + nasal = bilabial nasal

국물 => 궁물
Kookmul -> Koongmul
ㄱ + ㅁ = ㅇ
velar voiced + nasal = ?
Yep, velar nasal which is ng -> ㅇ

GENERAL RULE
Place of Articulation for all voiced + nasal = Place of Articulation + nasal

Also
nasal + Place of Articulation for all voiced = Place of Articulation + nasal

You know what is cool? As an English speaker you subconsciously know this rule.
Inpossible (See how you can't have that? Guess why~)

n: nasal
p: bilabial voiceless
Can't have that together

Thus it is 'im-possible'
m: bilabial nasal

n + p -> m
nasal + bilabial voiceless = bilabial nasal

i.e. in (not, as in inconsistent) + possible (something that happen) -> Impossible

Yeah, freaks people out.
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Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
July 29 2011 16:27 GMT
#25
For being one of mizU's students, I'll still read that one as DongRaeGu.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3828 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 17:42:49
July 29 2011 17:41 GMT
#26
Ooni: What about Input? :X

I'm not sure I read that correctly... you said you can't have n + p?
: o )
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