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Suc
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1569 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 13:44:01
July 29 2011 13:43 GMT
#1
I was wondering if a Korean speaker could help me out here. For his ID in hangeul, 동래구, wouldn't you pronounce it 동내구 because ㅇ and ㄹ are next to each other? If this is true, wouldn't this make his ID DongNaeGu, instead of DongRaeGu, or do you just disregard situational pronunciation when romanising and just treat each character as its own?

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Flaunt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
New Zealand784 Posts
July 29 2011 13:47 GMT
#2
It isn't one word -.-
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don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3006 Posts
July 29 2011 13:48 GMT
#3
Maybe he wanted his ID to be DongRaeGu and not DongNaeGu?
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Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
July 29 2011 13:51 GMT
#4
Out of interest what does it mean?
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Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
July 29 2011 13:55 GMT
#5
Actually the accepted romanization for the actual borough of busan is DongNaeGu, as you say. I translated it as DongNaeGu after seeing it on the official website when he first popped up on top of the ladder, since his bnet id is in hangul. however he did choose DongRaeGu when asked by gom to provide an official ID, so ever since then I've given up arguing about it.
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Kaiwa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2209 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 14:01:58
July 29 2011 13:55 GMT
#6
동래구 doesn't mean anything as far as I know. It's just a name ^^

Edit: Fun fact, it's apparently a city in South Korea as well (Google maps link)

And there it is romanized as DongNaeGu
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25978 Posts
July 29 2011 13:56 GMT
#7
I've seen both romanizations. Some signs say Jong-ro-3-ga, some say Jong-no-3-ga.
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enecateReAP
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom378 Posts
July 29 2011 14:02 GMT
#8
I think he said in an interview that it was his hometown or something similar?
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awu25
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2003 Posts
July 29 2011 14:05 GMT
#9
My Korean girlfriend pronounced it as DongRaeGoo
Also if you look up Mizu's hangul lessons, you would come to the same conclusion. Is there a certain rule when a circle is next to ㄹ it turns into an N sound?
Suc
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1569 Posts
July 29 2011 14:12 GMT
#10
On July 29 2011 23:05 awu25 wrote:
My Korean girlfriend pronounced it as DongRaeGoo
Also if you look up Mizu's hangul lessons, you would come to the same conclusion. Is there a certain rule when a circle is next to ㄹ it turns into an N sound?

As far as I'm aware, yes. There are other rules where sounds change, e.g. ㄴ + ㄹ = ㄹ + ㄹ. A super common one being ㅂ + ㄴ = ㅁ + ㄴ (think 입니다). Equally so, I'd imagine that there are exceptions or as Chill has said, maybe some Koreans just say it as is, without changing the consonants.
OopsOopsBaby
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Singapore3425 Posts
July 29 2011 14:15 GMT
#11
when the street fighter voice comes out, it is pronounced dongnaegu.
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Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
July 29 2011 14:17 GMT
#12
On July 29 2011 22:43 Suc wrote:
I was wondering if a Korean speaker could help me out here. For his ID in hangeul, 동래구, wouldn't you pronounce it 동내구 because ㅇ and ㄹ are next to each other? If this is true, wouldn't this make his ID DongNaeGu, instead of DongRaeGu, or do you just disregard situational pronunciation when romanising and just treat each character as its own?


I literally just read this and I was like "this rule exists?" and then I read DRG's name out loud and I realized I pronounced it DongNaeGu lol

Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
July 29 2011 14:21 GMT
#13
Well we have a good interview question for MLG Anaheim now.
Suc
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1569 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 14:39:38
July 29 2011 14:35 GMT
#14
On July 29 2011 23:17 Milkis wrote:
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On July 29 2011 22:43 Suc wrote:
I was wondering if a Korean speaker could help me out here. For his ID in hangeul, 동래구, wouldn't you pronounce it 동내구 because ㅇ and ㄹ are next to each other? If this is true, wouldn't this make his ID DongNaeGu, instead of DongRaeGu, or do you just disregard situational pronunciation when romanising and just treat each character as its own?


I literally just read this and I was like "this rule exists?" and then I read DRG's name out loud and I realized I pronounced it DongNaeGu lol


That's what you get for being a native speaker, tsk tsk.

On July 29 2011 23:21 Whole wrote:
Well we have a good interview question for MLG Anaheim now.

I hope Milkis or someone can get the answer then, I'm really curious :D
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
July 29 2011 14:43 GMT
#15
On July 29 2011 23:17 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 22:43 Suc wrote:
I was wondering if a Korean speaker could help me out here. For his ID in hangeul, 동래구, wouldn't you pronounce it 동내구 because ㅇ and ㄹ are next to each other? If this is true, wouldn't this make his ID DongNaeGu, instead of DongRaeGu, or do you just disregard situational pronunciation when romanising and just treat each character as its own?


I literally just read this and I was like "this rule exists?" and then I read DRG's name out loud and I realized I pronounced it DongNaeGu lol



you're journalistic standards just arent high enough to translate his name
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
July 29 2011 14:52 GMT
#16
On July 29 2011 23:43 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 23:17 Milkis wrote:
On July 29 2011 22:43 Suc wrote:
I was wondering if a Korean speaker could help me out here. For his ID in hangeul, 동래구, wouldn't you pronounce it 동내구 because ㅇ and ㄹ are next to each other? If this is true, wouldn't this make his ID DongNaeGu, instead of DongRaeGu, or do you just disregard situational pronunciation when romanising and just treat each character as its own?


I literally just read this and I was like "this rule exists?" and then I read DRG's name out loud and I realized I pronounced it DongNaeGu lol



you're journalistic standards just arent high enough to translate his name


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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51425 Posts
July 29 2011 15:01 GMT
#17
On July 29 2011 23:15 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
when the street fighter voice comes out, it is pronounced dongnaegu.


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ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3809 Posts
July 29 2011 15:08 GMT
#18
I heard that DRG is from 동래구 in (DongRae district) in Busan. so he just took that name.
So the Hangeul uses 'ㄹ' but it's pronounced 'ㄴ'

It's pretty common in Korean, a good example is 왕십리 (Wangsimni), which would directly be romanised as 'Wangsibri' (but it's not)
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Virtue
Profile Joined July 2010
United States318 Posts
July 29 2011 15:20 GMT
#19
On July 29 2011 23:17 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 22:43 Suc wrote:
I was wondering if a Korean speaker could help me out here. For his ID in hangeul, 동래구, wouldn't you pronounce it 동내구 because ㅇ and ㄹ are next to each other? If this is true, wouldn't this make his ID DongNaeGu, instead of DongRaeGu, or do you just disregard situational pronunciation when romanising and just treat each character as its own?


I literally just read this and I was like "this rule exists?" and then I read DRG's name out loud and I realized I pronounced it DongNaeGu lol


My korean teacher had the same kind of reaction when I asked her about all of the rules. I referenced the names they give each one in the book and she didn't know what I was talking about until she looked at the words. She just said,"I'm glad I just know how to pronounce these from growing up speaking the language. There are too many little rules to remember!"
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
July 29 2011 15:37 GMT
#20
I don't know the exact rules (or whether official rules exist on a book or something) but in a normal conversation I'd pronounce it Dong-Nae-Gu.
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mapthesoul
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Trinidad/Tobago429 Posts
July 29 2011 15:45 GMT
#21
Sucks that there isn't an absolute standard for romanazing hangul. : /
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 16:03:00
July 29 2011 15:59 GMT
#22
On July 30 2011 00:45 mapthesoul wrote:
Sucks that there isn't an absolute standard for romanazing hangul. : /


But there is?

However english does seem like a poor target from korean, the 'eo' is pretty much a perfect swedish ö, the 'o' a swedish short å, and the ae is close to a swedish 'ä', the 'u' is a nice swedish u, which isnt really close to how you americans would pronounce the letter... the 'ee' is a nice swedish 'i' aswell! The 'eu' is really the only funky one. Maybe a decent west swedish ô.

In older swedish texts you actually se Seoul as Söul instead, fits perfectly.

Now that I think about it, I would have a much easier time explaining swedish pronounciations of Å, Ä, Ö, U and I to americans using Hangul than latin letters...

I Jeh Dång (Lee Jae Dong doesnt even use a ae lol, maybe the difference isnt so noticeable for an american, but to me they sound like two completely different sounds)
mapthesoul
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Trinidad/Tobago429 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 16:11:01
July 29 2011 16:08 GMT
#23
On July 30 2011 00:59 Catch]22 wrote:
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On July 30 2011 00:45 mapthesoul wrote:
Sucks that there isn't an absolute standard for romanazing hangul. : /


But there is?

Nah.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yale_Romanization
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revised_Romanization_of_Korean
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCune–Reischauer

Your points are very interesting and something I've thought about for a long time. It's the same with Japanese, pretty easy for us Swedes to pronounce.
ooni
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia1498 Posts
July 29 2011 16:10 GMT
#24
On July 30 2011 00:45 mapthesoul wrote:
Sucks that there isn't an absolute standard for romanazing hangul. : /

Oh... There is... it's just that people are terrible at it.

On July 30 2011 00:20 Virtue wrote:
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On July 29 2011 23:17 Milkis wrote:
On July 29 2011 22:43 Suc wrote:
I was wondering if a Korean speaker could help me out here. For his ID in hangeul, 동래구, wouldn't you pronounce it 동내구 because ㅇ and ㄹ are next to each other? If this is true, wouldn't this make his ID DongNaeGu, instead of DongRaeGu, or do you just disregard situational pronunciation when romanising and just treat each character as its own?


I literally just read this and I was like "this rule exists?" and then I read DRG's name out loud and I realized I pronounced it DongNaeGu lol


My korean teacher had the same kind of reaction when I asked her about all of the rules. I referenced the names they give each one in the book and she didn't know what I was talking about until she looked at the words. She just said,"I'm glad I just know how to pronounce these from growing up speaking the language. There are too many little rules to remember!"

I guess for people without linguistic background.

Place of articulation
ㅁㅂㅍ bilabials (hey look the characters even look similar)
ㅇㄱㅋ velars

Manner of articulation
ㅁㄴㅇ nasals
ㅂㄱ voiced
ㅍㅋ voiceless

합니다 => 함니다
Hapnida -> Hamnida
ㅂ + ㄴ = ㅁ
bilabial voiced + nasal = bilabial nasal

국물 => 궁물
Kookmul -> Koongmul
ㄱ + ㅁ = ㅇ
velar voiced + nasal = ?
Yep, velar nasal which is ng -> ㅇ

GENERAL RULE
Place of Articulation for all voiced + nasal = Place of Articulation + nasal

Also
nasal + Place of Articulation for all voiced = Place of Articulation + nasal

You know what is cool? As an English speaker you subconsciously know this rule.
Inpossible (See how you can't have that? Guess why~)

n: nasal
p: bilabial voiceless
Can't have that together

Thus it is 'im-possible'
m: bilabial nasal

n + p -> m
nasal + bilabial voiceless = bilabial nasal

i.e. in (not, as in inconsistent) + possible (something that happen) -> Impossible

Yeah, freaks people out.
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Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
July 29 2011 16:27 GMT
#25
For being one of mizU's students, I'll still read that one as DongRaeGu.
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ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3809 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 17:42:49
July 29 2011 17:41 GMT
#26
Ooni: What about Input? :X

I'm not sure I read that correctly... you said you can't have n + p?
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