EPTMy Thoughts on EG/Puma - Page 5
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wonderwall
New Zealand695 Posts
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obsKura
Ireland1061 Posts
Besides the whole drama which is going on here some thoughts from myself: Obviously the koreans in general are very pissed about this. I have the concern this thing here could backfire and have such a huge impact on the scene that koreans decide to no longer participate in foreign tournaments or that players who considered going to a foreign team will cancel there plans on doing so. As far as I know the korean culture is about pride, honor and respect and if you can see on their reactions this thing hit them pretty hard. It is not about the player "stealing" thing itself - I think they would be delighted to receive requests and offers for their players - it's about how this happened - behind the "back" of the coach. Hopefully the koreans as well as the SC@ esports scene in general has learned from that and player contracts will be mandatory in the future. Only with real contracts including salaries, penalties and all this stuff the scene can be taken more seriously compared to other sports. I really really hope this issue did not damage the scene... | ||
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Duka08
3391 Posts
On July 22 2011 20:14 Liquid`TLO wrote: Every time something like this happens it makes me happy that I am in Liquid. D'awwwwwwwww TL for life <3 Loving the posts by both TLO and Boss in this thread. So intelligent response, and so honest. Especially Boss, stating them as a team owner. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
Discovered this blog thanks to my Twitter being spammed haha. I guess agreeing with you makes me a TLO fanboy if I understood correctly. By the way, did EG released a statement about this ? Or you're referring to the WOC episode (that I haven't seen yet) | ||
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Kuni
Austria765 Posts
I mean who blames puma, a young kid who's been playing starcraft for all his life with dedication, for being interested in earning actual money? He's just like all the other players, being happy to be able to do this and earn a living. Again ... if something has gone wrong, blame the people responsible on EG, but not incontrol, puma or anyone else -.- | ||
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wingweaver415
United States66 Posts
Bottom line, Puma wanted to join EG or he wouldn't have left TSL, and it was his choice ultimately. There was no contract with Puma and TSL, according to the article http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245970 So he had every right to join whatever team would sign him. EG didnt force him to join, Puma made that choice, but I don't see anyone getting upset with Puma for accepting the offer so soon... | ||
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gideonj
United Kingdom11 Posts
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thorwashere
8 Posts
yes homo | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
Also, blaming EG for not making a statement between the hours of 2:30 AM and 4 PM is obscene. Unlike Coach Lee or Europeans, that is not the proper time period for a statement that is to be made by an organization, not by SirScoots via twitter. Why should they make a short statement when a larger medium can be used to make such a statement. In real sports there are press conferences that happen a day or two later, do we bitch about how late the information comes or do we accept that it is the norm to use a larger platform to make an official statement? Would you be using the Blog section on TL to make your statement when you could be making a more public one? I think, and of course this is my opinion as I do not speak for others, that more obscene than any move EG makes is the lack of accountability in esports journalism. Whether someone is a paid journalist or a journalist by profession, if they put the article out than they are accountable for journalistic integrity. In the past, and currently in sports, if someone gets a leak in news they do not immediately write a news post themself with no legitimate statements from all sides. News leakers call up someone they know who is a TRUE JOURNALIST, takes in the information and gathers further comments required before posting out a large news article. If this is the standard in real sports then why can we not hold journalists to the same standard in esports? This is not even going into the fact that we have heard one side of the story which led to a MASSIVE hate bandwagon before anyone allows themself to hear the other side. Even to you TLO, EG's statement is seen as secondary, am I right? What if you had heard EG's side first and then the TSL commentary 24 hours later after a 150 page thread is created praising EG and blasting TSL? What if you had read this statement first? On July 22 2011 19:41 Rekrul wrote: Coach Lee is a hypocrite and a liar. The way he stole Fruitdealer and Tester from OGS in the past was far worse in terms of deceit, lack of business ethics, and backstabbing. It's not my place to go into details, but all I can say is: Karma is a bitch. I respect your opinion in the OP but I find trouble agreeing with you when constantly, journalistic integrity is broken. It is a standard that we have had in the past in esports, and have had in real sports, and something we have lost with the growth of Team Liquid's community driven news. My opinion? If you get news and don't want to be held accountable for the news post made, then forward the news you gather to a journalist who IS willing to gather further comments and IS willing to be held accountable for their journalistic integrity. It is something I, and many people have done in the past and should NOT be left out on Team Liquid. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
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Benga
Korea (South)471 Posts
The managment and the players always bring up controversy. Plus they focus too much on marketing,shows and just suck at tourneys. They just talk shit too much | ||
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skyride
Scotland103 Posts
On July 22 2011 21:11 kaOz1985 wrote: thumbs up if you got here via facebook  ups were not in youtube anyway, good article tlo Oh no. It has begun. | ||
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Tsenister
United Kingdom112 Posts
I would be a sad day when Korea/Western world shuts off from each other. Still like in football players are not supposed to be communicated with without the consent of their agent/manager. However if they are not in contract it's going to happen whether people like it or not. | ||
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cybertopo
Spain525 Posts
I don't know why people (and it doesn't matter if it's TLO or some random dude with 200 posts) think they can express an opinion on something they don't know about. Has TLO talked to Puma, to TSL, to EG? I don't think so. It is very easy to play when you ahve the home court advantage. | ||
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WinteRR
Australia201 Posts
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Cuddle
Sweden1345 Posts
As for the whole Korean drama, poor coach and what not. I don't sympathize in the least, as Rek said, karma is a bitch. Go PuMa and go EG! Also, I don't see the point in TLO making a statement. It serves no point imo. I'm not saying you aren't entitled to an opinion, I'm not sure why you chose to make a flashy new blog post about it. There still room in the News Thread to post opinions along with everyone else. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On July 22 2011 21:18 Zlasher wrote: I don't believe that the basis that EG is truly evil should be made off of a news leak that followed a supposedly good conversation between Puma and his Coach. Especially since the news post was not made by EG themselves, on a player that is not yet signed. Also, blaming EG for not making a statement between the hours of 2:30 AM and 4 PM is obscene. Unlike Coach Lee or Europeans, that is not the proper time period for a statement that is to be made by an organization, not by SirScoots via twitter. Why should they make a short statement when a larger medium can be used to make such a statement. In real sports there are press conferences that happen a day or two later, do we bitch about how late the information comes or do we accept that it is the norm to use a larger platform to make an official statement? Would you be using the Blog section on TL to make your statement when you could be making a more public one? I think, and of course this is my opinion as I do not speak for others, that more obscene than any move EG makes is the lack of accountability in esports journalism. Whether someone is a paid journalist or a journalist by profession, if they put the article out than they are accountable for journalistic integrity. In the past, and currently in sports, if someone gets a leak in news they do not immediately write a news post themself with no legitimate statements from all sides. News leakers call up someone they know who is a TRUE JOURNALIST, takes in the information and gathers further comments required before posting out a large news article. If this is the standard in real sports then why can we not hold journalists to the same standard in esports? This is not even going into the fact that we have heard one side of the story which led to a MASSIVE hate bandwagon before anyone allows themself to hear the other side. Even to you TLO, EG's statement is seen as secondary, am I right? What if you had heard EG's side first and then the TSL commentary 24 hours later after a 150 page thread is created praising EG and blasting TSL? What if you had read this statement first? I respect your opinion in the OP but I find trouble agreeing with you when constantly, journalistic integrity is broken. It is a standard that we have had in the past in esports, and have had in real sports, and something we have lost with the growth of Team Liquid's community driven news. My opinion? If you get news and don't want to be held accountable for the news post made, then forward the news you gather to a journalist who IS willing to gather further comments and IS willing to be held accountable for their journalistic integrity. It is something I, and many people have done in the past and should NOT be left out on Team Liquid. Are you really STILL going after Milkis? Are you fucking kidding me? | ||
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ondik
Czech Republic2908 Posts
On July 22 2011 20:57 GhchD wrote: Wow didnt think about that... you pretty right man  especially + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://s.sk-gaming.com/image/album/361683/76c913efc6a40ef0_large.jpg) | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On July 22 2011 21:18 Zlasher wrote: I don't believe that the basis that EG is truly evil should be made off of a news leak that followed a supposedly good conversation between Puma and his Coach. Especially since the news post was not made by EG themselves, on a player that is not yet signed. Also, blaming EG for not making a statement between the hours of 2:30 AM and 4 PM is obscene. Unlike Coach Lee or Europeans, that is not the proper time period for a statement that is to be made by an organization, not by SirScoots via twitter. Why should they make a short statement when a larger medium can be used to make such a statement. In real sports there are press conferences that happen a day or two later, do we bitch about how late the information comes or do we accept that it is the norm to use a larger platform to make an official statement? Would you be using the Blog section on TL to make your statement when you could be making a more public one? I think, and of course this is my opinion as I do not speak for others, that more obscene than any move EG makes is the lack of accountability in esports journalism. Whether someone is a paid journalist or a journalist by profession, if they put the article out than they are accountable for journalistic integrity. In the past, and currently in sports, if someone gets a leak in news they do not immediately write a news post themself with no legitimate statements from all sides. News leakers call up someone they know who is a TRUE JOURNALIST, takes in the information and gathers further comments required before posting out a large news article. If this is the standard in real sports then why can we not hold journalists to the same standard in esports? This is not even going into the fact that we have heard one side of the story which led to a MASSIVE hate bandwagon before anyone allows themself to hear the other side. Even to you TLO, EG's statement is seen as secondary, am I right? What if you had heard EG's side first and then the TSL commentary 24 hours later after a 150 page thread is created praising EG and blasting TSL? What if you had read this statement first? I respect your opinion in the OP but I find trouble agreeing with you when constantly, journalistic integrity is broken. It is a standard that we have had in the past in esports, and have had in real sports, and something we have lost with the growth of Team Liquid's community driven news. My opinion? If you get news and don't want to be held accountable for the news post made, then forward the news you gather to a journalist who IS willing to gather further comments and IS willing to be held accountable for their journalistic integrity. It is something I, and many people have done in the past and should NOT be left out on Team Liquid. you're going to argue that a computer based organisation in 2011 should adhere to a west coast 9-5. thats really, really, really stupid. im a European and i was up till 4am reading the drama, with no EG response. that prime time for american internet users. you're also making comparisons to real sports that dont make any sense. the reason for press conferences taking days to prepare is that people to need physically be in the room, that takes travel time. in the world of the internet the time to organize something is as long as it takes to write the 'hate' bandwagon is nothing to do with this being a 1 sided story. for months now there has been a story every month where either alex, colby, incontrol or scoots posts something fucking stupid and unprofessional on a matter, acts like a jerk on teamliquid or twitter then gets all suprised when people expect a little more from people backed by so many big name companies. EG has serious serious problems with hypocrisy. they are known more for trashing talking players while being underperforming themselves, going grammar nazi over people misspeaking then using that as a defence for themselves and demanding professionalism from everyone except themselves than they are for doing anything amazing 'on the field'. | ||
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zeru
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