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Canada1637 Posts
On July 22 2011 20:38 FXOpen wrote:
As I have said before, we should all love korea, because without korea starcraft is just a hobby.
I don't think that's true at all, Koreans are the best at the game, but the success of MLG, Dreamhack and even NASL has proven that the foreigner audience is here, and if the audience is there, sponsors will come, and if teams can get financial support, they can create environments to foster talented players.
If Korea really closes off to Foreign events they aren't doing themselves any favours IMO. SC2 in Korea doesn't really sound like a fairy tale.
note: I'm not defending EG's approach, just think BoSS is abit off the deep end here IMO, sure we'll see contracts and a tighter player association of some sort, but those things were inevitable as SC2 grew, hopefully everyone can simply learn from this situation and move on.
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Very well said, represent our side of the community!
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Always felt EG was slightly shady, they definitely haven't made a fan out of me with these actions.
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TLO does not mess around, doesn't mince words but isn't rude.
Gotta love it, completely agree.
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Personally I think it's great that Korean players are starting to go into foreigner teams. However, the way this was carried out was terrible. Korean teams will now start safeguarding their players from this kind of shit.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On July 22 2011 20:51 Adebisi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 20:38 FXOpen wrote:
As I have said before, we should all love korea, because without korea starcraft is just a hobby. I don't think that's true at all, Koreans are the best at the game, but the success of MLG, Dreamhack and even NASL has proven that the foreigner audience is here, and if the audience is there, sponsors will come, and if teams can get financial support, they can create environments to foster talented players. If Korea really closes off to Foreign events they aren't doing themselves any favours IMO.
If Korea closes off nobody wins.
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On July 22 2011 20:51 Adebisi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 20:38 FXOpen wrote:
As I have said before, we should all love korea, because without korea starcraft is just a hobby. I don't think that's true at all, Koreans are the best at the game, but the success of MLG, Dreamhack and even NASL has proven that the foreigner audience is here, and if the audience is there, sponsors will come, and if teams can get financial support, they can create environments to foster talented players. If Korea really closes off to Foreign events they aren't doing themselves any favours IMO.
If it wasn't for Korea, notably in brood war. The sponsors would not pay so much for sponsorship. Because the vision wouldn't be there.
Its not a play on "Well without korea MLG wouldn't exist".. Facts are it would be behind by a few years and not nearly as successful. Koreans have done the ground work for the industry. We should respect that. They also do it best.
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On July 22 2011 20:52 darcevader88 wrote:
TLO does not mess around, doesn't mince words but isn't rude.
Gotta love it, completely agree.
I don't think Dario could be rude if he tried.
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On July 22 2011 20:38 FXOpen wrote:
Well done TLO. Thank you.
I was kind of preparing something similar.
I was sort of fine about the situation until I heard Alex on WOC... He made me quite disturbed. And my personal feeling was that he is "taking advantage" of those who can't particularly look out for themselves....
I feel sorry for Puma to be in the middle of this, because he is being taken advantage of.
The players association is going to tighten up now. There may be a risk of Koreans not going to foreign events or something along those lines.
As I have said before, we should all love korea, because without korea starcraft is just a hobby.
Seeing something like this, major community figureheads coming out to make statements on something highly controversial, regardless of whether it's similar or differing opinions, I think is proof of an intelligent and maturing community. Thank you to TLO and Boss for coming out and giving a resolute and clear opinion on the matter. (Boss I hope you still come out with a similar TL blog or reddit post with all of your thoughts, it'd be extremely insightful to hear another outside point of view from someone behind who's the scenes)
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Here`s the problem; the fact that EG acted this way will bring a really bad opinion and reputation to all of the foreign scene. In Korea where everything is based on friendship and honesty among teams. Now that EG did this there will be suspicion in the relation between Korea and Foreign scene. All that I`m saying is that this happening is not bad only for EG, is bad for the remaining teams as well.
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Whats your opinion on this statement?
On July 22 2011 19:41 Rekrul wrote:
Coach Lee is a hypocrite and a liar. The way he stole Fruitdealer and Tester from OGS in the past was far worse in terms of deceit, lack of business ethics, and backstabbing.
It's not my place to go into details, but all I can say is: Karma is a bitch.
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They are all to blame. EG, Puma, Lee !
EG : for not communicating with the coach before/after he went on a public rant.
Puma : for telling EG not to communicate with Lee, and that '' he would handle it ''.
EDIT : This for me is the worst of the 3 because he KNOWS what korean culture is like and KNOWS how his team/coach will feel, not to mention korean netizens. It seems like a bad call on his part.
Lee : for PUBLICLY ranting on EG/Puma without before getting in touch with EG
It seems not so long ago Team Liquid(Tyler) got angry at EG(incontrol) for just the same thing - EG had said/Ommited certain details PUBLICLY ( in TL forums ) and Tyler and others got mad that they went and did that publicly instead of first talking with them !
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well, fall from grace from TLO, get the facts stragith before posting.
They agreed that Puma was gonna talk to the coaches, and that was what happened, please, look at both sides...
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On July 22 2011 20:53 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 20:52 darcevader88 wrote:
TLO does not mess around, doesn't mince words but isn't rude.
Gotta love it, completely agree. I don't think Dario could be rude if he tried.
LoL TLO is BM on ladder xD
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I don't think EG acted all that bad in regards to the whole Puma situation, I do however, after hearing what other people has said (I didn't watch WOC myself cause I was asleep when it aired) about yesterdays WOC, think that they handled that show very badly. Overall, while I'm a huge Scoots/EG fan, I seem to dislike Alex Garfield more and more every time he shows up...
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On July 22 2011 20:54 SafeAsCheese wrote:Whats your opinion on this statement? Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 19:41 Rekrul wrote:
Coach Lee is a hypocrite and a liar. The way he stole Fruitdealer and Tester from OGS in the past was far worse in terms of deceit, lack of business ethics, and backstabbing.
It's not my place to go into details, but all I can say is: Karma is a bitch.
Uhh, weren't Tester and Fruitdealer the players who FOUNDED TSL to begin with?
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I'm so sad DeMuslim is on EG 
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Canada1637 Posts
Ack everyone responds before I finish editting my post, I'm so bad ><
On July 22 2011 20:52 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 20:51 Adebisi wrote:On July 22 2011 20:38 FXOpen wrote:
As I have said before, we should all love korea, because without korea starcraft is just a hobby. I don't think that's true at all, Koreans are the best at the game, but the success of MLG, Dreamhack and even NASL has proven that the foreigner audience is here, and if the audience is there, sponsors will come, and if teams can get financial support, they can create environments to foster talented players. If Korea really closes off to Foreign events they aren't doing themselves any favours IMO. If Korea closes off nobody wins.
Agree 100% @_@.
On July 22 2011 20:53 FXOpen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 20:51 Adebisi wrote:On July 22 2011 20:38 FXOpen wrote:
As I have said before, we should all love korea, because without korea starcraft is just a hobby. I don't think that's true at all, Koreans are the best at the game, but the success of MLG, Dreamhack and even NASL has proven that the foreigner audience is here, and if the audience is there, sponsors will come, and if teams can get financial support, they can create environments to foster talented players. If Korea really closes off to Foreign events they aren't doing themselves any favours IMO. If it wasn't for Korea, notably in brood war. The sponsors would not pay so much for sponsorship. Because the vision wouldn't be there. Its not a play on "Well without korea MLG wouldn't exist".. Facts are it would be behind by a few years and not nearly as successful. Koreans have done the ground work for the industry. We should respect that. They also do it best.
I can't argue with any of that, but the point is SC2 is booming global and the interest is really overshadowing Korea, basically, Korea shouldn't overplay their hand here, doing something like forcing players wanting to participate in GSL to join an association and not be let into foreign events would just be plain stupid on their part.
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On July 22 2011 20:54 Ingebrigtsen wrote:
well, fall from grace from TLO, get the facts stragith before posting.
They agreed that Puma was gonna talk to the coaches, and that was what happened, please, look at both sides...
"The news went out before you wanted it and guess what it's because you didn't talk to TSL."
What is wrong about this statement? If EG wants to have control over when things get released they need to consult the managers of TSL. I doubt that EG said to Puma : when you are talking to TSL, please tell them to not break the news. (and even if they did, they shouldn't rely on that but directly talk to TSL)
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