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ciaiei
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland41 Posts
July 22 2011 11:37 GMT
#21
I want to point out that when they "got" their CS team from compLexity a few years back it was almost the identical situation... they contacted players that weren't under contract (CGS had just died, col hadn't gotten back their franchise yet even), skipped the organization that had made the players and convinced the players to join EG instead because coL didn't have any big sponsors at that time because of CGS.

someone else see the similarity?
Is "I hope you all die a painful death" too strong? -Linus Torvalds
FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 11:38:39
July 22 2011 11:38 GMT
#22
Well done TLO. Thank you.

I was kind of preparing something similar.

I was sort of fine about the situation until I heard Alex on WOC... He made me quite disturbed. And my personal feeling was that he is "taking advantage" of those who can't particularly look out for themselves....

I feel sorry for Puma to be in the middle of this, because he is being taken advantage of.

The players association is going to tighten up now. There may be a risk of Koreans not going to foreign events or something along those lines.

As I have said before, we should all love korea, because without korea starcraft is just a hobby.
www.twitter.com/FXOpenESports
daxile
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada829 Posts
July 22 2011 11:39 GMT
#23
great read. Very nice concise summary of the true colours of EG
to live is to suffer
GhchD
Profile Joined July 2010
Hungary52 Posts
July 22 2011 11:39 GMT
#24
Well Dario... There is absolutely no surprise on having so many fans... not just your play, even your way of thinking is simply great. Totally agree, this was an arrogant and unfair move by EG.
Akilleus
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden82 Posts
July 22 2011 11:40 GMT
#25
I agree with you TLO, my favorite team is EG but unprofessional behavior like this really hurts the
growth of e-sports. In "real" sports this is not accepted at all. Not even in non professional low level divisions.
Zinnwaldite
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1567 Posts
July 22 2011 11:41 GMT
#26
On July 22 2011 20:33 TBO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 20:29 Sebzou wrote:
So EG's main mistake was giving Puma some control of the situation? By doing this they offended Coach Lee?

If Lee is so close to the members of his team, wouldn't he perfer hearing things directly from his guys than having some team call him saying they want his player?

I understand why Puma wanted to be the one to tell Lee about his plans to move to another team. The poor guy wanted to do things in the way i atleast feel was the nicest way to go about it, and as a result he is stuck in the middle of a shitstorm like this.

The kid deserves far better than this.


not sure if it was a mistake but why did you post this same text on the Puma Topic (where it is relevant) and also here on this blog (where it is not relevant, which you might see yourself you had read the text)


It was an accident actually. I have far to many tabs open and i've slept far too little. First i wrote it in the GSTL thread. And after that i sorta messed things up a bit. I can hardly even read at this point xD guess it would be best if i removed it from this one eh? ^_^ Sorry about that =/
We promise with a view to hope, but the reason to "accomplish" what we promised would be fear.
TheButtonmen
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada1403 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 11:42:42
July 22 2011 11:41 GMT
#27
On July 22 2011 20:38 FXOpen wrote:
As I have said before, we should all love korea, because without korea starcraft is just a hobby.


I'd love a chance to hear industry insiders such as yourself discuss what Koreas role in the SC2 scene is and how you see it changing in the future as to the newer generation such as myself that weren't part of BW Korea has never been the corner stone of the E-sports scenes growth; it's been dominated by the Western scene.

Edit: To clarify what i meant as that's incredibly long winded;

Have you / other people in your role ever written anything about the role of Korea in the SC2 scene, it's future and its current state in a way that people could understand without a history with BW?
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
July 22 2011 11:41 GMT
#28
Touché
TheButtonmen
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada1403 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 11:42:30
July 22 2011 11:42 GMT
#29
[Edited into previous post]
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
July 22 2011 11:42 GMT
#30
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skyride
Profile Joined January 2011
Scotland103 Posts
July 22 2011 11:43 GMT
#31
The thing that's bothering me is people keep talking about things as "this is how business" works, as if it's some ruthless race-to-the-bottom in terms of ethics in pursuit of money. This may be how a lot of business works, but it's not a good long-term strategy, especially when everyone has a mutual interest in growing a market. All that happens there is you end up with a monopoly or duopoly, and the only people who gain from it are the direct financial benefactors of those teams. Everyone else loses out including the fans, players, tournaments, and other teams.

At the end of the day, your aim as a business is always going to be making money, but it's still nice to be able to look at yourself in the morning.
LaserLynx
Profile Joined June 2011
United States36 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 11:48:18
July 22 2011 11:44 GMT
#32
Based on my knowledge of the series of events, I don't really think EG did anything wrong in regards to TSL, since EG is just trying to do everything they can to improve (and recruiting is part of that) ad it seems Puma wanted to tell his coach himself. However, EG's PR choices following the miscommunication on Coach Lee's/Puma's end were not the best.

They did not make themselves look good by waiting so long to release a statement or talk about it at all until the Weapon of Choice debacle. Instead of calmly and rationally explaining their position, they had Alex Garfield aggressively assert their position and went out of his way to attack Milkis, further alienating the community.

The fact that this isn't the first time a miscommunication has occurred with EG and it seems to be something of a recurring trend, I think EG management needs to re-evaluate how they interact with the community in regards to their actions.

EDIT: To tie it into TLO's position, I guess my view isn't entirely compatible with his, but I completely respect his position. TLO's response is intelligent and well thought-out (as to be expected from him) but I do disagree on a few points. I would argue that their actions haven't necessarily been wrong, but just kind of stupid from a PR standpoint.
mikesaysno
Profile Joined July 2010
United States85 Posts
July 22 2011 11:44 GMT
#33
This is why TL will always be my favorite SC2 team. EG just seems like they're always up to shady shit. I've never felt like rooting for them, and I never will.
moxley
Profile Joined May 2010
United States65 Posts
July 22 2011 11:46 GMT
#34
I've been taking the stance that this was a smart business move by EG, and I still feel that way, but after listening to Alex Garfield on Weapon of Choice last night, and listening to him on ITG a few weeks ago talking about the iNcontroL/SotG controversy, it really seems like that's all he is - business. If they want to make a statement to the community or explain their position, they should have someone like Scoots do it, who the community as a whole loves.

Alex Garfield, in both "discussions", seemed arrogant, unapologetic and, frankly, cold. I felt very uncomfortable for Milkis, and it definitely seemed like Alex was defending himself by attacking Milkis because he was the only person in the room that didn't share the same opinion.

I'm sure Scoots probably doesn't want to be the face of these types of discussions because he doesn't want to tarnish his rapport with the community.. but Alex seems all too eager to play the cold, know-it-all businessman.. and in a community like this that has a lot of passion and interest in the personal side of things, touting your business savvy and turning arguments around on people by trying to explain to them why they're not as smart as you is not going to go a long way towards EG's likeability. This isn't a courtroom..

FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
July 22 2011 11:47 GMT
#35
On July 22 2011 20:41 TheButtonmen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 20:38 FXOpen wrote:
As I have said before, we should all love korea, because without korea starcraft is just a hobby.


I'd love a chance to hear industry insiders such as yourself discuss what Koreas role in the SC2 scene is and how you see it changing in the future as to the newer generation such as myself that weren't part of BW Korea has never been the corner stone of the E-sports scenes growth; it's been dominated by the Western scene.

Edit: To clarify what i meant as that's incredibly long winded;

Have you / other people in your role ever written anything about the role of Korea in the SC2 scene, it's future and its current state in a way that people could understand without a history with BW?


IF you PM me a series of Q's I will be happy to answer them. You are welcome to post them publically also.
www.twitter.com/FXOpenESports
kedinik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States352 Posts
July 22 2011 11:47 GMT
#36
Alex was an obnoxious bully on Weapon of Choice. Just like the last time he made a public statement, in fact.

Nearly everything he said was rude, double talky and intellectually dishonest.
SxYSpAz
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1451 Posts
July 22 2011 11:48 GMT
#37
hahaha. bad enough they pull this shit it the first place. they attack milkis? hahahaha. where is the starcraft court. arrest these men.

must watch. ty for input TLO. couldn't agree more
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
July 22 2011 11:48 GMT
#38
EG is playing the role of the cold corporate brand while TSL is the poor small business that's getting moved out of town. Sure, everything that EG did was legal, but it was pretty fucking shady, greedy, and inconsiderate of TSL and its players.
divito
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1213 Posts
July 22 2011 11:49 GMT
#39
EG has done the same thing in other games as well. It's disappointing but not entirely unexpected.
Skype: divito7
kmkg
Profile Joined August 2010
Japan186 Posts
July 22 2011 11:50 GMT
#40
An official apology to TSL as a team and Coach Lee as a person would go a long way, specially if EG wants to have dealings with the Korean scene in the future.
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