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Tyri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany453 Posts
July 22 2011 11:57 GMT
#61
Good to read this article by you.

It sums up my own opinion about this whole affair.I have to completely agree
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
July 22 2011 11:58 GMT
#62
On July 22 2011 20:57 Adebisi wrote:
Ack everyone responds before I finish editting my post, I'm so bad ><

Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 20:52 Plexa wrote:
On July 22 2011 20:51 Adebisi wrote:
On July 22 2011 20:38 FXOpen wrote:

As I have said before, we should all love korea, because without korea starcraft is just a hobby.


I don't think that's true at all, Koreans are the best at the game, but the success of MLG, Dreamhack and even NASL has proven that the foreigner audience is here, and if the audience is there, sponsors will come, and if teams can get financial support, they can create environments to foster talented players.

If Korea really closes off to Foreign events they aren't doing themselves any favours IMO.

If Korea closes off nobody wins.

Agree 100% @_@.



Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 20:53 FXOpen wrote:
On July 22 2011 20:51 Adebisi wrote:
On July 22 2011 20:38 FXOpen wrote:

As I have said before, we should all love korea, because without korea starcraft is just a hobby.


I don't think that's true at all, Koreans are the best at the game, but the success of MLG, Dreamhack and even NASL has proven that the foreigner audience is here, and if the audience is there, sponsors will come, and if teams can get financial support, they can create environments to foster talented players.

If Korea really closes off to Foreign events they aren't doing themselves any favours IMO.


If it wasn't for Korea, notably in brood war. The sponsors would not pay so much for sponsorship. Because the vision wouldn't be there.

Its not a play on "Well without korea MLG wouldn't exist".. Facts are it would be behind by a few years and not nearly as successful. Koreans have done the ground work for the industry. We should respect that. They also do it best.


I can't argue with any of that, but the point is SC2 is booming global and the interest is really overshadowing Korea, basically, Korea shouldn't overplay their hand here, doing something like forcing players wanting to participate in GSL to join an association and not be let into foreign events would just be plain stupid on their part.

This would never happen and Mr. Chae would never let it happen so there's no point talking about it.
hysterial
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2044 Posts
July 22 2011 11:59 GMT
#63
Its an unfortunate situation and while I am happy for EG, I cant disagree with anything TLO said.
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
July 22 2011 11:59 GMT
#64
Thanks for posting your thoughts. Sensible.
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
LaserLynx
Profile Joined June 2011
United States36 Posts
July 22 2011 12:00 GMT
#65
On July 22 2011 20:54 crackcc wrote:
They are all to blame. EG, Puma, Lee !

EG : for not communicating with the coach before/after he went on a public rant.

Puma : for telling EG not to communicate with Lee, and that '' he would handle it ''.
EDIT : This for me is the worst of the 3 because he KNOWS what korean culture is like and KNOWS how his team/coach will feel, not to mention korean netizens. It seems like a bad call on his part.

Lee : for PUBLICLY ranting on EG/Puma without before getting in touch with EG

It seems not so long ago Team Liquid(Tyler) got angry at EG(incontrol) for just the same thing - EG had said/Ommited certain details PUBLICLY ( in TL forums ) and Tyler and others got mad that they went and did that publicly instead of first talking with them !

^ UPVOTE
v DOWNVOTE


^
This is a very intelligent post. I agree with it wholeheartedly. It is interesting that EG is angry that they weren't consulted for their side of things in Milkis' post when not too long ago, they were defending the exact same practice in regards to the TL/Master's Cup controversy. Seems kind of hypocritical.
Adebisi
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1637 Posts
July 22 2011 12:01 GMT
#66
On July 22 2011 20:58 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 20:57 Adebisi wrote:
Ack everyone responds before I finish editting my post, I'm so bad ><

On July 22 2011 20:52 Plexa wrote:
On July 22 2011 20:51 Adebisi wrote:
On July 22 2011 20:38 FXOpen wrote:

As I have said before, we should all love korea, because without korea starcraft is just a hobby.


I don't think that's true at all, Koreans are the best at the game, but the success of MLG, Dreamhack and even NASL has proven that the foreigner audience is here, and if the audience is there, sponsors will come, and if teams can get financial support, they can create environments to foster talented players.

If Korea really closes off to Foreign events they aren't doing themselves any favours IMO.

If Korea closes off nobody wins.

Agree 100% @_@.



On July 22 2011 20:53 FXOpen wrote:
On July 22 2011 20:51 Adebisi wrote:
On July 22 2011 20:38 FXOpen wrote:

As I have said before, we should all love korea, because without korea starcraft is just a hobby.


I don't think that's true at all, Koreans are the best at the game, but the success of MLG, Dreamhack and even NASL has proven that the foreigner audience is here, and if the audience is there, sponsors will come, and if teams can get financial support, they can create environments to foster talented players.

If Korea really closes off to Foreign events they aren't doing themselves any favours IMO.


If it wasn't for Korea, notably in brood war. The sponsors would not pay so much for sponsorship. Because the vision wouldn't be there.

Its not a play on "Well without korea MLG wouldn't exist".. Facts are it would be behind by a few years and not nearly as successful. Koreans have done the ground work for the industry. We should respect that. They also do it best.


I can't argue with any of that, but the point is SC2 is booming global and the interest is really overshadowing Korea, basically, Korea shouldn't overplay their hand here, doing something like forcing players wanting to participate in GSL to join an association and not be let into foreign events would just be plain stupid on their part.

This would never happen and Mr. Chae would never let it happen so there's no point talking about it.

BoSS is the one who brought it up.
Ingebrigtsen
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Norway343 Posts
July 22 2011 12:02 GMT
#67
And what other shows was he supposed to go on??

there was 1 show that evening, and it was WoC. if he was to wait SotG, you would hate on him for waiting 2 weeks, instead of 18 hours.....
"These animals should be rewarded for not being people... I hate people"
GhchD
Profile Joined July 2010
Hungary52 Posts
July 22 2011 12:03 GMT
#68
haha this thread is far more intresting than watching another PvP on the GSTL. lol
Darthozzan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Sweden136 Posts
July 22 2011 12:03 GMT
#69
A lot of trouble across the board, I can't help but agree with TLO and BoSS. Voices of reason in troubling times, I can't help but respect EG less with this decision. I hope to see an official announcement or press release from them soon, as a "professional" organization should release in troubling times where they are quickly getting a lot of bad PR.
http://complexitygaming.com ° @Darthozzan on twitter
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
July 22 2011 12:05 GMT
#70
On July 22 2011 20:57 Tyri wrote:
Good to read this article by you.

It sums up my own opinion about this whole affair.I have to completely agree


It's not an article. It's his opinion in blog form.
DrunkenTemplar
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia647 Posts
July 22 2011 12:05 GMT
#71
Today's episode of WOC was the first time I've ever been really annoyed while watching/listening/reading anything on the internet SC2 related. This Alex Garfield guy was really a first rate tool on the show and really made the situation a lot worse. His passive aggressiveness was unbelievable.
TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
July 22 2011 12:06 GMT
#72
On July 22 2011 21:05 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 20:57 Tyri wrote:
Good to read this article by you.

It sums up my own opinion about this whole affair.I have to completely agree


It's not an article. It's his opinion in blog form.


It's not a news article but almost every published text constitutes an article - including blog entries.
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
July 22 2011 12:06 GMT
#73
On July 22 2011 21:02 Ingebrigtsen wrote:
And what other shows was he supposed to go on??

there was 1 show that evening, and it was WoC. if he was to wait SotG, you would hate on him for waiting 2 weeks, instead of 18 hours.....


Forget shows, how about just a sensibly written statement on their site/TL?

The fact that Alex came out and basically insulted one of the more prominent members of the TL community, when all he did was translate a statement that the TSL coach made to TL, plus the situation so far (all the facts we know now arn't out yet), is a pathetic stand, and is worsening their stand
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
July 22 2011 12:07 GMT
#74
--- Nuked ---
tofubeans
Profile Joined January 2011
United States794 Posts
July 22 2011 12:07 GMT
#75
TLO, such a boss ;]
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
July 22 2011 12:07 GMT
#76
On July 22 2011 21:06 TBO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 21:05 StarStruck wrote:
On July 22 2011 20:57 Tyri wrote:
Good to read this article by you.

It sums up my own opinion about this whole affair.I have to completely agree


It's not an article. It's his opinion in blog form.


It's not a news article but almost every published text constitutes an article - including blog entries.


Now, we're getting into semantics. Peachy. x-x
DeepBlu2
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States975 Posts
July 22 2011 12:07 GMT
#77
Interesting to hear your thoughts TLO. Thanks as it was very clever.

P.s. Feel better soon!
u gotta sk8
Night Eyes
Profile Joined January 2011
433 Posts
July 22 2011 12:08 GMT
#78
Good read by both TLO and FXOBoSS (in the comments), its nice to see a relaxed and down to earth point of view on matters like this that will have a bigger effect on the SC2 scene the longer it goes on.

And yes, if we like it or not Korea is the "home" of SC-BW/SC2 as an e-sport and if its good "business behavior" or not all party's involved will do well to respect them.
excellent!
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
July 22 2011 12:09 GMT
#79
On July 22 2011 21:07 zeru wrote:
Good post from reddit that im gonna quote related the milkis/woc/EG refusing to releasing statements thing.
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/iwd8n/milkis_deserves_some_love_3/c276bhu
Show nested quote +
WingmanCD wrote:

Later in the conversation Alex brings up the ambiguity of journalism with regards to the SC2 scene and the user driven content of TL. He accuses Milkis of claiming to be a translator but offering his own opinions along with translations. While there is a bit of fairness to that, and the role of journalistic integrity in eSports needs to be discussed(Hello Jen Schiller breaking every journalistic rule and intentionally misinterpreting and interview!) the fault for the lack of information lies entirely with EG. I'm practically foaming at the mouth that Alex had the gall to accuse Milkis of not getting a statement from EG.

First of all, as to how to handle TeamLiquid and it's newsbreaks, it would seem other teams don't have much trouble. When news broke out FXO buying fou, it took FXOBoss 31 minutes to post and clarify the situation on TL. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245003&currentpage=7#126

When news broke of SixJaxMajor smurfing his way into a tournament, it took evoli 14 minutes to respond. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=244885&currentpage=2#22

Alex went out of his way to specifically mention that he read the forum posts. It would be bad enough if he simply chose to stay silent and let the misinformation spread. Alex would know infinitely more about running a professional eSports organization than I would, so perhaps there's a reason for the absolute information blackout. But instead of simply staying silent he accuses Milkis of not reaching out to EG to get a quote. While I think it could be successfully argued this isn't Milkis' responsibility, it's also outright false. Milkis asked scoots for his side of the story, twice, 18 hours ago. http://twitter.com/#!/OrangeMilkis/status/93956837665288192 http://twitter.com/#!/OrangeMilkis/status/93946564791373824


Thanks for this. I feel that this definitely shows that EG fumbled, and fumbled hard.
Yargh
kaOz1985
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany20 Posts
July 22 2011 12:11 GMT
#80
thumbs up if you got here via facebook


ups were not in youtube

anyway, good article tlo
yeah
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