Lately I've been wondering what's up with gamers today, this was pretty same back in the day but even more now.
People are getting very much worse mannered in general, at least the vocal part. Is it the new generation of gamers rising, or is it just that average gamer base is becoming younger every day? I've seen more and more raging every day, and people complaining how something is so "imbalanced" because they lost. I've seen this everywhere lately and it's not just those angry kids that have picked up the habit in xbox live or in PSN, but it's same with older folks (meaning people around 22+). People are acting like mentally slow kids, blaming others for their own mistakes, whining how something is that and that how people cheat if they are just better than you are.
Is it just the anonymity of internet? Or is there something wrong in today's community in general? Have people realyl forgot how to "behave" even, can't we control our selves anymore? What do you gain from venting to your opponent after you've lost, does it really boost your self image when you make others laugh at your behavior?
No matter how angry I am, I always try to show my courtesy to my opponent, in some form and I really appreciate those few who atleast greets you in the beginning of the game. I understand that one don't "gg" after the game, sometimes you're just so angry to your self and want to rage like german kid or then the game was so horrible. Personally I prefer to end my game with "gg", "wp" or "gg wp". But do you really have to say stuff like "bg" as in bad game" or "fuck you" or otherwise make your self look like a fool after the game?
I understand that one is frustrated after they got cheesed, but it's not opponent's fault that you couldn't defend it. So far I havn't seen single cheese that don't have some sort of defense. (No MC's cannon rushes ain't bullet proof either). There is no rule anywhere in game that stops you from using cheesy tactics so suck it up like a man (or woman) and go on.
And then to the game that got me write this in the first place. I was matched against a terran kid on NA server called MarauderKing. So as per usual I started the game with "gl hf!" and what I got as a reply? "u" "2" "faggot"... Seriously? What's up with that. Are you that tilted from before? Do you think someone picks up with such a petty insult? Why anyone would pick up that, it doesn't mean anything from coming some random little kid. Just report the player after the game
Game progressed pretty normally from there on, and he was wondering how he couldn't see probe in the back fog on Metalopolis, he went for pretty normal marine marauder mix with no medivacs which I found through my first little poking, where I made my 1st mistake. I clearly saw tech lab researching something and I didn't take it down. I think the game would've progressed way differently from there and I would've probably saved handful of units as well.
From there I pulled back, expanded and added some extra gateways, headed towards chargelots and sentries. Crushing his attack and progressed to deliver final nail in to his coffin.
And what did I reseive from him? Some lines before he left the game. "fcuk" "fuck you" "You noob". That guy was seriously starting to tilt up there. And I guess he went to check my league/division, probably hoping that I was plat or something after slaying him quite decisively... But he found out something that upset him quite badly and started to message me and here's the lovely log:
MarauderKing: u ahve to be fucking kdiding me MarauderKing has reconnected. You: Why? MarauderKing: first o fall toss is just so easy to kill // if toss is so easy to kill why you lost? secondly ur silver You: And? MarauderKing: that waws just so lucky // Nope it wasn't omg u omg You: Haha MarauderKing: wow wo wwow wow wow some silver ass noob // I would love to have silver ass... Atleast it would be worth something who jsut bought the game // Oh I wish! won wow wow wow im gonan kill u //And as last resort real life threat? Really? You: Go check out http://justin.tv/rgnt and after that call it lucky MarauderKing: UR COOL fuck off // me? You were the one starting to went out... bie //Atleast he had courtesy to say bye (I assume) <3
So please, don't be like this kid but suck up your losses and celebrate your victories in private, don't make fool of your self infront of the opponent who just beat you.
And VOD to accompany this, had to do "commentary" as the original one has odd FPS lag.
It's the anonymity of the internet + people that are like this are the most vocal. People who behave normally like you just aren't that vocal, but they probably think the same way as you.
I think it was always like this. I don't think gamers were more mannered a couple of years ago than they are now.
On July 07 2011 21:25 RGnt wrote: What if you tried to read through it instead
What if you tried to write something that hasn't been written about before hundreds of times? It's the same bullshit as the last person who got bmed and decided they were changing the world by writing a blog post.
You won a game, your opponent didn't like that so they raged. BIG FUCKING DEAL.
I was matched against a terran kid on NA server called MarauderKing. So as per usual I started the game with "gl hf!" and what I got as a reply? "u" "2" "faggot"... Seriously? What's up with that.
I had the exact same thing happen to me. A gg is always nice but if you don't pls don't rage... just leave.
edit: i posted before i saw some of the reactions already on this thread.
I honestly find it quite revolting that people are so OK with it that everyone is an asshole on the internet. It's disgusting and messes up the community in general.
Being an asshole on the internet should be the exception not the rule, i think most of TL will agree with me seeing they all agree on the strict banning policy here on TL.
I don't feel people are becoming less mannered. I've been playing games online for 15 years and have always ran into plenty of people like this. It is common to blame "today's youth", but it generally isn't the case. People have been assholes since the beginning of time, and anonymity is nothing new.
I feel for you. I'm extremely nice to everyone almost all the time, especially in online games where I don't even know anything about the person, but realize that it has, does, and always will exist. It makes it much easier to deal with.
I was just like him when I was 12 years old when I just had lost at war2. Except that I wouldn't make that many typos.
What is the median age in silver league ? I would just ignore him. Who knows, in 6 years he may open a thread on TL complaining about people being so BM on bnet 3.0.
I go out of my way to drop smiley faces in when I'm playing, especially when something bad happens to me. At my level, there isn't much lost when you're losing a few units when you're caught out of position if you take a second to type D: into the game chat.
Similarly, if you're a little ahead and someone does something clever (if you can find the second or two) just say it. Nothing brightens up a tough game for me like someone typing, "Fuck, good placement," or something similar, so I try to be that guy when I'm playing someone who's clearly a little behind.
Kills when the fucker eventually beats you back and types, "Noob."
Yeah, I know. In general I don't bother at all, and when I'm bored I may report some of these. And I've been playing online games ever since MUDs were the hottest thing. And there has always been this kind of behavior, but in much less amount. Now when there starts to be more mass in the gaming community, it starts to be more visible.
And couple first comments were good examples why no one bothers to even write anything of the subject
i have personally noticed the decline in peoples attitude, though when i noticed it it was when i switched from sc:bw to sc2 (still play both but i play more sc2 now) back in bw i found BM like that to be a incredibly rare thing since so long as there was no cheese involved people generally accepted that they lost through their own mistakes
however in sc2 many people are afraid to come to the conclusion that they have lost though their own mistakes, in addition to that at the highest level there are people like idra (most obvious example imo) who rage about balance (maybe there is an imbalance, maybe there isnt...that isnt the point) because of people like idra raging right or not about it they convince others that their own play, which is nowhere near as refined or in general as good as idra's, is perfect and that they lose because of imbalance rather than their own skill, to which they respond very negatively towards their opponent who simply "picked the right race"
the simplest way to fix this is to somehow convince everyone that the game is balanced, at least balanced enough and that they need to analyze their games to find the real reason for their losses, that way they can accept that they are not as "pro" at the game than they think they are, leading them to be at least slightly more humble...however i doubt this will happen, at least for a long while
The fact of the matter is, in the internet, BM is very common. Finding people who actually show some courtesy online is a rarity, though it's not as rare when I play games like Starcraft 2 or Team Fortress 2.
What it has come down to is simply more people being exposed to gaming now then what it ever has been, being rude has been constant since the dawn of the Atari.
I remember playing Street Fighter II Turbo as a kid, versing other kids from school, friends even and them being Bad Mannered whenever I mopped the floor with them, I would only imagine that SC2 is no different, being a sore loser is hardly anything of the ordinary, but as Omni said, it makes for some interesting stories.
If even was mannered or polite all the time, sure it might make for a more pleasant experience, but where would be the stipulation, the stories, the revenge plot, I guess you could say it creates Heat, if its someone who ladder, big deal, but if you verse them again? its already tilted them because you beat them previously.
Now with the Anonymity of the Internet, regardless of a handle or username, there is no real fear factor for them treating the other player like junk, some players even gain a reputation for said Bad Manner, in some cases it builds character, in other cases it builds piles that weight 100 kureks.
And just to be clear, certain "trash talk" do belong in to any competitive sport, be it ice hockey or SC2. But keep it in the game not outside. You may have proper fight in the rink but you do compliment other guy after and possibly grab a beer with him after. And it's exactly same in the eSports.
DO trash talk in the game REMEMBER rivalries, but leave em in the game, and try to have some taste with it
On July 07 2011 22:11 Sotamursu wrote: Why do you even respond to them? Glhf and gg are the only things I'll say in chat when someone starts flaming. Your blog is as pointless as this post.
People will find any way to feel superior: "Look at me, I am so manner gg gl hf don't swear at me or my feelings might be hurt"
Me, I always say 'gl hf' and sometimes I get a really happy reply, sometimes normal, sometimes no reply, occasionally (in team games more often) negative replies
I haven't copped much BM in the past few days, save one today, just a one-sentance "*expletive* *expletive* you're so bad" or something as I did a 1 zealot/1stalker poke
On July 07 2011 22:11 Sotamursu wrote: Why do you even respond to them? Glhf and gg are the only things I'll say in chat when someone starts flaming. Your blog is as pointless as this post.
People will find any way to feel superior: "Look at me, I am so manner gg gl hf don't swear at me or my feelings might be hurt"
wth? he didn't say don't swear at me. gl hf gg is pretty standard no? I say it everygame and i don't feel "superior".. Overall he gave good advice for dealing with flamers... do you flame MUDKIPZ? Perhaps i should not have dignified your rude post. Making my post as useless as yours Sotamursus and this blog.
If this offends you, don't touch HoN or LoL. From what I have seen, the communities are bigger assholes than the kids I used to play Call of Duty or Halo with.
...but it's same with older folks (meaning people around 22+)....
This made me sad I feel so old now :/
Most of you youngsters (meaning people below ~27) just have no manners anymore, though luckily i only had 10-20 people bm me out of more than a thousand games that i played, so it doesn't seem to be too bad (Not considering lack of gg or lack of gl hf as bm)
On July 07 2011 21:24 HuskyMUDKIPZ wrote: Oh no, someone was mean to me on the internet and I didn't like it. It was so much better in my day.
Get over it, it's the internet. Anonymity protects almost all of us in one sense or another from the backlash we would normally receive.
that is why people who would normally get pounded in their skinny faces for acting so belligerent take pride in knowing that they can be as immature as they please, and its ok, due to internet anonymity.
yes , get over the fact that ppl are generally classless and trash, or at least throw off a trashy aura for no reason other than they are incapable of analyzing their own play, so they just mindlessly atk others'.
lol BM is nothing new, but that doesnt mean everytime you see a kid kicking as screaming in the middle of a fast food joint he doesnt deserve to be smacked into being mannered and acting right. same goes for SC bm.. its gonna keep happening, but ffs dont encourage ppl into thinking its totally normal and alright.
class/dignity/manners > throwing a tantrum bc you lost (TAKE IT LIKE A MAN!) lol (then spend that time you would be bitching watching replays and day[9] )
1v1 I am nothing but a pillar of decorum and dignified manner. If anyone is ever anything less to me I find the best response is to spam a row of hearts <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3.
In 2v2's we troll the shit out of everyone, insulting our opponents, crying imba whenever they make a unit, and gloating like mother fuckers when we win.
On July 07 2011 22:11 Sotamursu wrote: Why do you even respond to them? Glhf and gg are the only things I'll say in chat when someone starts flaming. Your blog is as pointless as this post.
People will find any way to feel superior: "Look at me, I am so manner gg gl hf don't swear at me or my feelings might be hurt"
this is something i find happening in the community way too often. (im a psychology major so excuse if im dipping too far) People take what others say WWAY too personally. If someone says
GL HF
chances are that they mean to say , Good luck as much as i would like to have, and have fun and lets not take this game too seriously. now whether either player is having fun or being serious is irrelevant.
What is relevant is that players create implications in their own minds. If you think someone means to say "i am better than you" when they say "GLHF" , maybe its a reflection of your own reality, which is what 90% of our human perceptions are. Maybe you think that if someone is comfortable saying good luck, then they are confident or perhaps better than yourself at this game, and it makes you offended and become the aggressor towards them, as you think its an idea coming from them, inside the implication, when it is actually coming from you.
long story short, players need to think less about the communication, take it quite literally, as it doesnt matter in the end anyhow. The only thing reading into what other players have to say to you does, is create static thoughts between you and what you are trying to focus on(the game not the player).
I'm personally trying to figure out how this is anything new... People have been whining about cheesy, unfair, cheap, and imbalanced in versus style multiplayer for as long as I've been playing games.
I've seen it in MUD's, I've seen it in arcades, I've seen it on every console I've ever played games on.
People don't like to lose, and people like to blame other people for their losses. This is nothing new. What's new is this: You aren't losing to your friends at home, or a stranger that's within punching distance at an arcade anymore. No losing friends, no having mom hear them swearing, no getting beat up or mocked at the arcade or roller rink.
In other words: It's the internet anonymity making something that already happened happen worse than it did before.
On July 07 2011 21:39 unit wrote: i have personally noticed the decline in peoples attitude, though when i noticed it it was when i switched from sc:bw to sc2 (still play both but i play more sc2 now) back in bw i found BM like that to be a incredibly rare thing since so long as there was no cheese involved people generally accepted that they lost through their own mistakes
however in sc2 many people are afraid to come to the conclusion that they have lost though their own mistakes, in addition to that at the highest level there are people like idra (most obvious example imo) who rage about balance (maybe there is an imbalance, maybe there isnt...that isnt the point) because of people like idra raging right or not about it they convince others that their own play, which is nowhere near as refined or in general as good as idra's, is perfect and that they lose because of imbalance rather than their own skill, to which they respond very negatively towards their opponent who simply "picked the right race"
the simplest way to fix this is to somehow convince everyone that the game is balanced, at least balanced enough and that they need to analyze their games to find the real reason for their losses, that way they can accept that they are not as "pro" at the game than they think they are, leading them to be at least slightly more humble...however i doubt this will happen, at least for a long while
Lol really? Are you sure it's not just Brood War nostalgia clouding your judgement? I found there to be just as much BM in Brood War as there is in Sc2, which isn't even that much, especially compared to games like TF2, counter strike, CoD, and Halo. The vast majority of ladder players I run into in Sc2 are nice, or at least silent, and will throw a gl hf.
Brood War had it's fair share of powerful units, builds and abilities whose ability to make people rage rivaled that of the Protoss deathball and cloak banshee. Dt drops, recalls, carrier transitions, 12 nex, BBS, irradiate, hydra bust, proxy gates, cannon rush, etc seemed just as stupidly strong at times, not to mention the TvP matchup was literally impossible for Terran until you reached C rank and had the skill to execute everything that was demanded of you in the matchup.
Also, don't forget iCCup was a fairly "elite" ladder in that it attracted people who were more serious about the game. If you ever played on bnet ladders like US East, the amount of idiocy and BM there was absolutely hilarious.
As a side note, Idra's had a long history of complaining, and back in the BW days he was incredibly vocal about the TvP matchup.
Thing is, by writing this, all you do is make the angry BM'ers angrier. Best (only) way to effectively deal with people like this in my humble opinion is to completely ignore them. Anything else just validates them, no matter how well intentioned it is.
I feel that the above link I posted is relevant to this thread as it talks about whether GL HF/GG etc. is good manners or means nothing. With the wide range of people from non-gamers(even Moms :o) to pro hard-core gamers, many of witch come from Star Craft: Brood War or WoW etc. there are many that do not think the GL HF is required. Many people that come to SCII will rage, deal with it. Many will not feel the need to say gl hf/gg etc. Many will just play silent and then leave but will GG/WP if they feel the need for it. Some are Moms and are just trying to figure out wth they are doing lol.(Jk but still )
edit: If you ever play me in SC1/2 know that I will spam <3 :<3
On July 07 2011 21:39 unit wrote: i have personally noticed the decline in peoples attitude, though when i noticed it it was when i switched from sc:bw to sc2 (still play both but i play more sc2 now) back in bw i found BM like that to be a incredibly rare thing since so long as there was no cheese involved people generally accepted that they lost through their own mistakes
however in sc2 many people are afraid to come to the conclusion that they have lost though their own mistakes, in addition to that at the highest level there are people like idra (most obvious example imo) who rage about balance (maybe there is an imbalance, maybe there isnt...that isnt the point) because of people like idra raging right or not about it they convince others that their own play, which is nowhere near as refined or in general as good as idra's, is perfect and that they lose because of imbalance rather than their own skill, to which they respond very negatively towards their opponent who simply "picked the right race"
the simplest way to fix this is to somehow convince everyone that the game is balanced, at least balanced enough and that they need to analyze their games to find the real reason for their losses, that way they can accept that they are not as "pro" at the game than they think they are, leading them to be at least slightly more humble...however i doubt this will happen, at least for a long while
Lol really? Are you sure it's not just Brood War nostalgia clouding your judgement? I found there to be just as much BM in Brood War as there is in Sc2, which isn't even that much, especially compared to games like TF2, counter strike, CoD, and Halo. The vast majority of ladder players I run into in Sc2 are nice, or at least silent, and will throw a gl hf.
Brood War had it's fair share of powerful units, builds and abilities whose ability to make people rage rivaled that of the Protoss deathball and cloak banshee. Dt drops, recalls, carrier transitions, 12 nex, BBS, irradiate, hydra bust, proxy gates, cannon rush, etc seemed just as stupidly strong at times, not to mention the TvP matchup was literally impossible for Terran until you reached C rank and had the skill to execute everything that was demanded of you in the matchup.
Also, don't forget iCCup was a fairly "elite" ladder in that it attracted people who were more serious about the game. If you ever played on bnet ladders like US East, the amount of idiocy and BM there was absolutely hilarious.
As a side note, Idra's had a long history of complaining, and back in the BW days he was incredibly vocal about the TvP matchup.
idra is an exception to the rule, one pro out of so many, he even admitted that he becomes overly attached to the game when he is losing which is a root cause of both his bm and his consistency of bm, most of the games i played were around the C level on iCCup though when i went to US East it was for BGH where the bm is most of the fun as BGH is genuinely imbalanced by positions :D the thing about the powerful things in bw was that they were all manageable, the ones you listed, DT drops (most T had turrets being constructed as part of their gameplan), recalls (this could backfire massively on the Protoss) 12nex would only give an advantage as a capable T player would know the abuses of this and be able to shut it down...the reason people complained about it is because they would just 2fact against it and lose, because the timing that makes a 2fact push strong would not be there...bbs if scouted could be held (assuming you were not being insanely over greedy) irradiate was needed to be strong, just imagine JD's ZvT without irradiate being around...no one would ever beat him...hydra busts are another thing that if scouted would be easy to hold, if not you lose same with proxy gates and cannon rushes....i will give you that TvP in bw was hard especially for the lower level of players who lack in the mechanical aspect of the game and would not be able to keep up in macro while pushing, and adding the vulture harass, laying mines...all that stuff, also i still play bw a bit on iCCup, nowhere near the level i was at my peak (as any race) but i rarely see BM on iCCup while in sc2 (where i play almost exclusively protoss) there is so much BM, at least 1-2 out of every 10 games has someone raging, (not a no-gg rage, but a "fuck you noob learn 2 play a real race" rage)
Meh, I have this happen too on the EU ladder. Mostly Zergs that complain @ me in lategame (i'm toss). I'm not saying zergs in general are all "whiny", but I think in these lower leagues (i'm plat) a lot of people don't have the ability to see why they lost, but they've heard some pro's talk about imbalance so they conclude it's true.
Anyway, off topic. Yeah, the BM I get thrown at me (and probably everyone else too has thrown at them) from time to time ranges from the "fuck off" into ragequit, or a more sophisticated balance complaint:
"the reproduction rate of your army is simply too high to be balanced" .... into ragequit (this is much like saying: "after many hours spent researching the matter at hand, I have concluded you're an asshole")
I believe one evening I had 3-4 ragequits/BM people in a row. It gets kind of depressing, and i'd much rather face a mannered person.
I completely understand why people would become red-faced and angry after losing a match, especially if they feel they "played better" than their opponents, but imba/luck lost them the game. In fact, I have to admit i've ragequit a few times myself (I think everyone has), but most of the times I can force myself to type out gg before leaving, and often I wait for my opponent to gg back as well (just a thing I have, I wanna feel as if theres a certain amount of respect between the two players).
The few times I ragequit though, I always feel bad afterwards and remember: "No gg, no skill" (WhiteRa)
Guess that was all slightly off-topic as well ^_^ as for the gamers getting worse mannered, I think that's very untrue, if people had the internet back in the 70's with the same amount of anonymity they have today, I think people would of been just as bad mannered. Because obv theres no punishment for talking shit on the internet, no consequences etc.
Yeah, it's just that modern technology allows the improved means of communicating BM than ever before. That's funny, though, the comments remind me of BM I got when I first got the game and was in Bronze (when your opponent started talking about Silver league it reminded me of him), someone who was like in Gold and lost to me. He kept saying how bad I was (their logic is impeccable) and insulted me as one of those people who "buy a new account" when their record is bad, and therefore was a loser at life for wasting the extra money (nevermind the contradictory logic in that he implied I was better than my league after saying I was bad, and also the gap in logic that a player restarting an account wouldn't do so by jumping back into bronze league without making some even bigger leaps of logic...).
On July 07 2011 21:39 unit wrote: i have personally noticed the decline in peoples attitude, though when i noticed it it was when i switched from sc:bw to sc2 (still play both but i play more sc2 now) back in bw i found BM like that to be a incredibly rare thing since so long as there was no cheese involved people generally accepted that they lost through their own mistakes
however in sc2 many people are afraid to come to the conclusion that they have lost though their own mistakes, in addition to that at the highest level there are people like idra (most obvious example imo) who rage about balance (maybe there is an imbalance, maybe there isnt...that isnt the point) because of people like idra raging right or not about it they convince others that their own play, which is nowhere near as refined or in general as good as idra's, is perfect and that they lose because of imbalance rather than their own skill, to which they respond very negatively towards their opponent who simply "picked the right race"
the simplest way to fix this is to somehow convince everyone that the game is balanced, at least balanced enough and that they need to analyze their games to find the real reason for their losses, that way they can accept that they are not as "pro" at the game than they think they are, leading them to be at least slightly more humble...however i doubt this will happen, at least for a long while
Lol really? Are you sure it's not just Brood War nostalgia clouding your judgement? I found there to be just as much BM in Brood War as there is in Sc2, which isn't even that much, especially compared to games like TF2, counter strike, CoD, and Halo. The vast majority of ladder players I run into in Sc2 are nice, or at least silent, and will throw a gl hf.
Brood War had it's fair share of powerful units, builds and abilities whose ability to make people rage rivaled that of the Protoss deathball and cloak banshee. Dt drops, recalls, carrier transitions, 12 nex, BBS, irradiate, hydra bust, proxy gates, cannon rush, etc seemed just as stupidly strong at times, not to mention the TvP matchup was literally impossible for Terran until you reached C rank and had the skill to execute everything that was demanded of you in the matchup.
Also, don't forget iCCup was a fairly "elite" ladder in that it attracted people who were more serious about the game. If you ever played on bnet ladders like US East, the amount of idiocy and BM there was absolutely hilarious.
As a side note, Idra's had a long history of complaining, and back in the BW days he was incredibly vocal about the TvP matchup.
idra is an exception to the rule, one pro out of so many, he even admitted that he becomes overly attached to the game when he is losing which is a root cause of both his bm and his consistency of bm, most of the games i played were around the C level on iCCup though when i went to US East it was for BGH where the bm is most of the fun as BGH is genuinely imbalanced by positions :D the thing about the powerful things in bw was that they were all manageable, the ones you listed, DT drops (most T had turrets being constructed as part of their gameplan), recalls (this could backfire massively on the Protoss) 12nex would only give an advantage as a capable T player would know the abuses of this and be able to shut it down...the reason people complained about it is because they would just 2fact against it and lose, because the timing that makes a 2fact push strong would not be there...bbs if scouted could be held (assuming you were not being insanely over greedy) irradiate was needed to be strong, just imagine JD's ZvT without irradiate being around...no one would ever beat him...hydra busts are another thing that if scouted would be easy to hold, if not you lose same with proxy gates and cannon rushes....i will give you that TvP in bw was hard especially for the lower level of players who lack in the mechanical aspect of the game and would not be able to keep up in macro while pushing, and adding the vulture harass, laying mines...all that stuff, also i still play bw a bit on iCCup, nowhere near the level i was at my peak (as any race) but i rarely see BM on iCCup while in sc2 (where i play almost exclusively protoss) there is so much BM, at least 1-2 out of every 10 games has someone raging, (not a no-gg rage, but a "fuck you noob learn 2 play a real race" rage)
I don't know why you wrote all that. My point was simply that Brood War had it's share of powerful strategies that were hard to scout, hard to respond to unless you played perfectly, or had a discrepancy in the ratio of skill required to execute vs skill required to defend. The Protoss deathball, cloak banshee, and 4 gate are all also managable if you play right so I don't see how they would induce more rage than BW's strats if we're following this logic.
As for your point, I can't really argue it. Your perception is Sc2 players are more BM on average. I was just saying mine is they aren't.
Once someone BM'd me very, very hard when I was about to lose. I simply typed 'gg' and left the game. Don't take insults so seriously, and don't reply to the offender, it brings you down to his or her level.
i agree with the OP. I also noted this to be a disturbing trend but all i can do is hope that somehow people will smarten up in the future (unlikely). The root problem is thus, it's not gamers alone so much as society as a whole is becoming more impatient and rude. Even the people that i pass on the train. Those people that have ear buds, but choose not to wear them, and instead blasts their music. An old lady asked the gentlemen to please turn it down or wear the ear buds only to be responded to by a "fuck you" and he made it louder.
With regard to gamers, i don't know if anybody of you reading this thread have ever played starseige tribes back in the late 90's / early 2000's but the premise of the game is CTF with jetpacks. The weapons, however, travel really slowly so lead shotting becomes critical. Even in the heat of round, if you get a nice mid air on them, when they die they will at least say "nice shot!" as a way to acknowledge your skill. Yet nowadays, i got called "hacker", "noob", "faggot" when i MA'ed them in tribes next the other day.
NB that like the first reply to this thread, it doesn't entirely mean the entire gaming community, much less the north american society as a whole is represented by 1 such encounter but i think we can agree that as a whole, the amount of polite people we meet on the streets have been in decline unfortunately enough =[
On July 08 2011 22:12 ProjectVirtue wrote: i agree with the OP. I also noted this to be a disturbing trend but all i can do is hope that somehow people will smarten up in the future (unlikely). The root problem is thus, it's not gamers alone so much as society as a whole is becoming more impatient and rude. Even the people that i pass on the train. Those people that have ear buds, but choose not to wear them, and instead blasts their music. An old lady asked the gentlemen to please turn it down or wear the ear buds only to be responded to by a "fuck you" and he made it louder.
With regard to gamers, i don't know if anybody of you reading this thread have ever played starseige tribes back in the late 90's / early 2000's but the premise of the game is CTF with jetpacks. The weapons, however, travel really slowly so lead shotting becomes critical. Even in the heat of round, if you get a nice mid air on them, when they die they will at least say "nice shot!" as a way to acknowledge your skill. Yet nowadays, i got called "hacker", "noob", "faggot" when i MA'ed them in tribes next the other day.
NB that like the first reply to this thread, it doesn't entirely mean the entire gaming community, much less the north american society as a whole is represented by 1 such encounter but i think we can agree that as a whole, the amount of polite people we meet on the streets have been in decline unfortunately enough =[
I gotta disagree man. Most people seem nicer as I get older. Maybe this is my personal perception of events being distorted by time (which applies to everyone), but I feel people, as a whole, seem to be nicer than ever.
I've been playing online games since 1996 or so, and I've been treated absolutely terribly (without provoking anyone) since I started. I remember playing AoE2, Warcraft 2, and Diablo 1 and people were absolutely TERRIBLE to others in those games.
By saying "we can agree as a whole", you're assuming way too much about the experiences of others.
I've lived in small towns, in big cities, and traveled quite a bit, and always found amazing people wherever I go. I've also found assholes. As the world (in the perception of those around me) "worsens", people seem to be getting nicer. A lot of people I speak to just care about their fellow man much more than in my earlier years.
There are a lot of studies concerning this topic (not video game manners, but manners in life), and people ALWAYS want to blame the next generation, because it is literally the easiest thing you can do. I realize that some people (like yourself) may people society is weakening (in the manner described), but others have completely different experiences.
Yush, I am happy for all the replies here. My point wasn't to "fix" anything or ramble about people acting up so much as to try to ignite discussion on the subject, which I achieved at least on some level. And as a little note for many, don't get hostile to each other it does no good for any of us
Also I hope I got at least some to think how they're acting and hopefully be a bit more polite to each other. Oh and yeah as I think I wrote earlier, trash talk DO most definetly BELONG in to any competitive sport, but things like "you faggot" "fuck you" and so on ain't that. You should try to throw your opponent off balance instead of making thy self sound like angry German kid
I giggle at BM, the fact that someone is shakibg with rage at something that is meant to be fun kind of tickles me.
In a team game the other day I got rolled but my allies did a super job. One guy on the opposing team was trashtalking the whole game. "LEAVE NOW KID UR WASTING MY TIME" was probably the nicest thing he had to say. After he lost he blocked all of us and then convoed us and smacked about random stuff.
tl;dr? theres some assholes on the internet, always have been, always will be.
I personally love it when people freak out after I beat them. I have no idea why. Maybe I have a sadistic streak, but to imagine that out there, somewhere, someone is screaming like that German kid from Youtube cracks me up.
On July 07 2011 22:33 SEA_GenesiS wrote: Oh man, if you think its bad here. Try playing DotA
This. In SC, if you lose you can only really blame yourself if you lose (or balance -_-) so there is only really so much you can be BM about. In games like LoL, HoN or dota though, where you have teammates you can blame for your losses... It can get pretty ugly
Also I don't think people are getting more BM. There's really no proof supporting this; one person being mean to you doesn't mean the internet as a whole is becoming more angry.
I'm pretty sure this isn't new. I've heard plenty of stories about people getting into violence over someone using too many throws in Street Fighter 2 at arcades (in the early 90s).
Now it's just possible for an 11 year old to safely shout whatever he can think of, which most of the time isn't very interesting.
For whatever reason, I have some backwards type of respect for irl hate, because you at least are willing to say it so someone's face.
I've seen this, but I don't really care/mind. Personally, if someone BM's me I'd either ignore him/her or proceed to troll them back in some way. otherwise I don't feel that I do much trash talk at all........ >_>
On July 09 2011 17:39 kalany wrote: I think the title of your thread is what is known as a hasty generalization, a type of fallacy I learned in 9th grade English.
I was once playing online in team fortress, and a canadian called me scrub for being pyro, i've never been called a scrub for playing pyro before, so obviously canadians are all bad mannered and assholes.
People play games to win them. Rarely you'll play a game with a human being that doesn't aspire to win. The truly + Show Spoiler +
aspect of competitive gaming (especially those temperamental online opponents, so avidly convinced of their anonymity) is present when individuals lose to tactics they've encountered before. Try to imagine their nonsense ranting not directed at you the victor, but at themselves, the loser.
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I like reading the incoherent rage ^^.
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