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On July 06 2011 09:41 kakaman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 09:29 jacosajh wrote:On July 06 2011 08:03 kakaman wrote:+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhl9MLno424 This was quite interesting to see. ABC filmed a news segment where an actress playing a waitress was saying disparaging remarks to a gay couple (also actresses) in a small town in Texas. It was really surprising to see the other patrons of the restaurant stand up for the gay couple, especially in a state like Texas. I'm not too familiar with Texas, but I know there are pockets of liberalism (the mayor of Houston is gay). However, this seems like a fairly conservative town. I was also thinking that here in NYC, no one would stand up for the gay couple (but they wouldn't support the waitress either). The segment confirms this, as they did do a segment in NYC. What an ignorant statement. Statistically, yes more people spoke up in Texas. But to use the words "more understanding"? Maybe for the same reasons New Yorkers generally don't look each other eye-to-eye on the subways, they also don't like to get into other people's business. Maybe it's for another reason. Neither of these clips show a link between "understanding" and location. Have you ever lived in New York? If you did, you know that the chances of getting shot/stabbed/cut for butting into other people's business is a very real fear. And again, there are undoubtedly a lot of other unknown factors. Ironic that you created a thread highlighting bigotry, stereotyping, over-generalization, etc. and conclude with an over-generalized statement. I'm from NYC buddy, the areas where you would get stabbed for voicing your views are very few and far in between. While the sample size of the tv segment was quite small, it still showed a glimpse of two different attitudes to the same problem. If you want to consider my blog an over-generalization, fine, but I feel that I just merely provided a summary for the tv segment I saw.
Very few and far in between, lol. Having lived in different parts of NYC for eighteen years, I highly disagree. And I'm sure other people from NYC will take either side of this, but no one will be able to prove one side or the other. So it's going to be pointless for either side to do so.
But I will say I have seen my fair share of people getting some backlash for butting into people's business, even in the "proper" parts of White Plains and up.
On July 06 2011 09:42 ShatterZer0 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 09:29 jacosajh wrote:On July 06 2011 08:03 kakaman wrote:+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhl9MLno424 This was quite interesting to see. ABC filmed a news segment where an actress playing a waitress was saying disparaging remarks to a gay couple (also actresses) in a small town in Texas. It was really surprising to see the other patrons of the restaurant stand up for the gay couple, especially in a state like Texas. I'm not too familiar with Texas, but I know there are pockets of liberalism (the mayor of Houston is gay). However, this seems like a fairly conservative town. I was also thinking that here in NYC, no one would stand up for the gay couple (but they wouldn't support the waitress either). The segment confirms this, as they did do a segment in NYC. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFLPv6CPmKY What an ignorant statement. Statistically, yes more people spoke up in Texas. But to use the words "more understanding"? Maybe for the same reasons New Yorkers generally don't look each other eye-to-eye on the subways, they also don't like to get into other people's business. Maybe it's for another reason. Neither of these clips show a link between "understanding" and location. Have you ever lived in New York? If you did, you know that the chances of getting shot/stabbed/cut for butting into other people's business is a very real fear. And again, there are undoubtedly a lot of other unknown factors. Ironic that you created a thread highlighting bigotry, stereotyping, over-generalization, etc. and conclude with an over-generalized statement. Isn't that kind of... well, backwards to say? If New Yorkers create an environment that forcibly shuns behavior that is considered more understanding doesn't that mean that they are generally also less understanding of one another? I mean, if you can't muster the courage to look at someone else for fear of death or butting into something not your own, how can you argue that such a group could be MORE or even similarly understanding than the other group? Saying that it's an overgeneralization is true, but ignoring the truth because of overstatement is just as... well, backwards, if not more so, than such overgeneralization. Of course there are unknown factors, but in the end, you can't really argue that if you were being disparaged you'd rather be in a place that shuns anyone from helping you because that's just the culture... because, of course, you'd want people to mind their own business...
Understanding you because I don't know you because I mind my own business =/= me understanding that you are a human being with your own preference and it's none of my business
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This is pretty sweet _b That guy in the first video is a baller.
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This is pretty cool to see.
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On July 06 2011 08:20 d(O.o)a wrote:
The way the guy with the earings acted was really impressive, that's pretty badass.
For sure. What a stud. The amount of courage and caring that takes inspires me.
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I'm pretty sure that in any other situation where someone needed help, you would also find that New Yorkers fail to respond lol. As a New Yorker, if I were put in this situation, I would probably be like "LOLWAT people like this exist? this guys gonna get his ass kicked/arrested" and just watch and let the gay people (who are fucking tough, are used to dealing with bigots, and can generally handle themselves) settle it. If people started getting stabbed I would gtfo and call the police, but there's really no reason to get involved unless either you're really fervent about gay rights or someone you actually give a shit about is involved. Everyone in that restaurant probably passed by several homeless people on their way there lol.
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My experience with Northerners is that they are generally cold, indifferent people who don't like contact with other human beings. NY public transportation is probably the best example of this. Southerners in general are kinder and more helpful. Just my 2 cents 
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Well i think this show is awesome.
I think it encourages people to do the right thing because they have an example how.
Great to see that people stood up for them.
I think the biggest difference between the two scenarios is that one is a big fancier restaurant and one is a small casual diner.
The location state wise is kind of irrelevant in light of that difference.
That punk was so cool even tho he used religion in his argument it was still awesome.
I think I would speak up.
And the chances of me doing so are higher now that i've seen this.
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i approve of this TV show.
Kinda cool that this goes around. Kinda irks me that they compared stats with the two states but i find it intriguing regardless.
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On July 06 2011 08:03 kakaman wrote:
It was really surprising to see the other patrons of the restaurant stand up for the gay couple, especially in a state like Texas.
So you blog about not liking people being prejudiced against gays while at the same time you're blatantly prejudiced against people because of the fucking land mass they live on? Jesus Christ this is fucking stupid.
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I'm honestly not surprised that the New Yorkers didnt say anything. After being in New York for a long time you tend to just phase out all the crazy/weird/stupid stuff that happens around here.
But those Texans... you can learn a lot from your fellow humans.
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Why are you guys focusing on what state it is in that they got a higher ratio of people observing to people standing up and saying something?
It's awesome that someone made a show like this.
It's awesome that someone actually stood up and said something.
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On July 06 2011 17:40 Dusty wrote:
I'm honestly not surprised that the New Yorkers didnt say anything. After being in New York for a long time you tend to just phase out all the crazy/weird/stupid stuff that happens around here.
But those Texans... you can learn a lot from your fellow humans.
seeing as every interaction in NYC is like a roll of the dice on whether or not you will get stabbed in the face with a pen by some lunatic, this is understandable. Most people who go there frequently enough or live there try to not but into shit unless really necessary.
nyc is a pretty tolerant place, but I don't think this necessarily reflects that. Does show a lot about southern respect and stuff. Texans are usually cool people =]
I thought the first vid felt fake-ish, maybe she wasnt that great of a sell on the job. THe 2nd one in the city with the guy definitely seemed more real. It would have been cool if they took it a step further, having both the guy and girl do this in TX and NYC and then there'd also be the aspect of how people react to a woman and guy doing it
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During my visit to New York City, it took a bag lady being forcibly shoved off of a subway train for New Yorkers to appear to stare at someone they didn't really know. This was after I saw a policemen arresting someone, after realizing that nobody looks directly at anybody else in the subway unless they're known to each other first, after walking past a woman wailing inconsolably (not that anyone tried) into her cell phone about some personal drama, and seeing a couple breaking up quite publicly just outside a bar. In every case no one around seemed to notice or look at all. Maybe the only reason they looked at the bag lady was because she was causing the train they were on to be held up?
It imagine it would be easy to infer from the previous paragraph that I disliked this behavior, but maybe most heartening of all was the fact that it is literally impossible to be "too weird" for New York. It was refreshing to see utterly obvious gay people walking down the street and no one scoffed, looked, or seemed to take notice or care. Indifference seems almost noble when the alternative is persecution.
Moreover, it seems to me that in Manhattan with the world's 2nd highest population density, you must learn to see only your friends and yourself, since otherwise you would be spending all day gawking at other people or involving yourself in standing up for others. If you were to hold the door there, you'd be there for most of the day. By necessity, I imagine there must be a different set of rules for etiquette and so indifference and ignoring other people's fights is probably more de jure there. I actually found the intimate press of people combined with the self-absorbed, self-focused nature of the people to be quite compelling in its way. Above all, when directly accosted, in every instance, New Yorkers were extremely gregarious and very polite to me when a one-on-one bond was established.
Finally, I'm given to understand that NYC has more gay people per capita and more gay people period than anywhere else in the world. There must be a reason so many gays move to NYC! (BTW I loved my visit!)
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On July 06 2011 08:03 kakaman wrote:
It was really surprising to see the other patrons of the restaurant stand up for the gay couple, especially in a state like Texas.
Who knew so called redneck Texas was more understanding than liberal New York?
You're making a number of assumptions that really concern me. Is there some rule that says since you're from Texas that you're an ultra-conservative nutcase? Is there some rule that says if you're conservative (and in the Bible belt to boot) that you hate gays? Can we really look at Texas and New York under the light of conservative and liberal?
Contrary to the vocal minority that is over-hyped in the media, most people I know here (Baton Rouge, LA; the deep south; very conservative; very close to Texas) empathize with situations like public intolerance. Even if those sticking up for the "couple" didn't agree with their life style, they stood up for them because they saw humans being treated as sub-humans. I've seen this show a number of times and the reasons they jump in always come back to that point.
Now you can look into it further, if you wish. This is a small town in Texas. Small town folk look out for each other because, frankly, who else will? New York City, on the other hand, is a huge city where it's easy to think "someone else will do it" or "one person out of so many can't make THAT much of a difference". If I had to put my money on a possible explanation, that would be it.
In the last five years I've lived in Chicago, southwest Michigan, upstate New York, southeast Connecticut, and Louisiana. Trust me, there's not a whole lot that separates "a conservative southerner" with a "liberal northerner".
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The stereotypes about Texas are ridiculous. Austin has had a homeless crossdresser run for mayor a few times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Cochran
Also, who said you have to fit the stereotypical party line to be conservative? I'm conservative about some things, liberal about others. Damn, I think for myself, what's that?
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