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Advice for a Silver league

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SuperHerbie
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8 Posts
June 12 2011 20:10 GMT
#1
I am currently a Silver league player. I use to play Protoss a lot but got kind of turned off by them and was really intrigued by zerg. I started playing zerg and have been doing a lot of single player games to get a good build down and when i start to feel comfortable with my build i try a 1v1. In the 1v1 match I get really nervous really easy and totally forget my build and start making the stupidest mistakes. I know i am better than i play in 1v1 matches but i can not seem to calm down enough to play well. What are some good techniques to stay calm and not panic so i play better? and also what are some good ways to cut down my nervousness before i click FIND A MATCH?

A practice buddy would really help, because playing against the computer is very 1 dimensonal because they only do the same thing everytime. If there are any other silver league players that would like to practice. Let me know.

Thanks~~~

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bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
June 12 2011 20:17 GMT
#2
If it's an issue of nerves I'd actually suggest you look up motivational and competition-mind-coach stuff online, on how professional sportsmen and gamers concentrate and calm their minds before a really big match. If it's a build order issue, play just by yourself (no computers, get qxc's build-order trainer or similar) and practice the build you've chosen 'till you don't even need to check the time/supply to know what to do, it really helps. Then all you need to do is execute that exact build, imagining you're just practicing by yourself.

Be sure to check out the "Practice Buddy Thread" (as in, I'm not gonna use the search function, learn to use it yourself. Just search "Practice Buddy" and you'll get WAY too many hits) to hook yourself up with an equal-leveled player, and jus stick with it bro. Congrats on joining TeamLiquid!
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Sotamursu
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland612 Posts
June 12 2011 20:22 GMT
#3
On June 13 2011 05:10 SuperHerbie wrote:
I am currently a Silver league player. I use to play Protoss a lot but got kind of turned off by them and was really intrigued by zerg. I started playing zerg and have been doing a lot of single player games to get a good build down and when i start to feel comfortable with my build i try a 1v1. In the 1v1 match I get really nervous really easy and totally forget my build and start making the stupidest mistakes. I know i am better than i play in 1v1 matches but i can not seem to calm down enough to play well. What are some good techniques to stay calm and not panic so i play better? and also what are some good ways to cut down my nervousness before i click FIND A MATCH?

A practice buddy would really help, because playing against the computer is very 1 dimensonal because they only do the same thing everytime. If there are any other silver league players that would like to practice. Let me know.

Thanks~~~

Practice partners will probably make your ladder fear worse. The only thing you can really do is just get over your fear and click that find match button.
Phraxa
Profile Joined April 2011
United States49 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 20:24:42
June 12 2011 20:24 GMT
#4
I get really nervous during games too and make stupid mistakes. Usually listening to a good music playlist helps before a game or spam your keys in the beginning of the game to help calm your nerves. Watching a pro game before my own game helps as well. I also prefer practicing with friends or people from the bnet chatrooms before laddering, as warm up. Also you should practice on YABOT custom maps, which is practicing your build orders over and over again.
Darclite
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1021 Posts
June 12 2011 20:54 GMT
#5
Four things:

1. Relax. If you stay calm, follow your build order, use decent mechanics, and avoid these mistakes, you will be able to dominate 95% of silver league.

2. Use a YABOT build order tester to practice. It will help more than you can imagine, and you can really refine your build and hit your timings.

3. Write it down if you have to on a post-it or something and stick it to your monitor.

4. I'm Darclite.257 on NA if you want to practice.

gl (:
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
June 12 2011 21:09 GMT
#6
Isn't being nervous about the result part of the fun? If there was no threat it would be boring. I play way better in a match I care about and am nervous about than in a match where I don't care. Embrace it and turn it into positive energy.

Your problem with screwing up your build order is just that you're bad. You need to get used to what other players are doing to you to screw you up. Practicing against the computer won't fix that, because computers don't do anything to screw you up. At least that's the way it is in BW. Someone build a pylon where you wanted to put your hatchery, or steals your gas, or whatever... That never happens vs computers and its why you screw up. Also managing your scout and a lot of other data that doesn't come into play when vsing comps because comps are dumb and predictable.
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RedJustice
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1004 Posts
June 12 2011 22:05 GMT
#7
Hey! :D

Everyone is different, so what works for me may not work for you. However, it's can't hurt to try of course.

I started out in bronze, as this is the first game I have ever played. I heard Terran was easiest, so I played about 50 games of that, even though I knew I wanted to play Zerg. This was a bad choice, as I was very bad at Terran and disliked it as well. I switched over to playing Zerg then, and lost around 20 straight games (putting me further back in getting promoted, but that was ok).

I played on my laptop with my trackpad since I have never used a mouse all my life, and didn't have one; I don't feel like this was a such a bad thing though, as I learned every hotkey very quickly, and had a respectable 60 apm average with my trackpad. I was able to improve, slowly, in terms of game sense, etc. by watching streams of pros, like sheth and mr. bitter, so that I could understand what I was scouting, and that helped a lot.

However, because of school issues, I often had to take breaks from 1v1. I was still in bronze at the start of season two, but, my first game of the new season I was promoted to silver. Yay! This was a long while coming I think, as I was playing silver and gold on the ladder quite frequently when it was locked.

Unfortunately, right after this, I took a 5 week break from 1v1 and did not play a single game on ladder. I was super stressed out during this time because of school work, so I would play team games when I needed a break from studying with my friends.

I feel like I got actually much much better during this time period because of the team games. My basic mechanics did not suffer, but more importantly-- in a team game, there is no mental pressure really to figure what your opponents are doing and the perfect unit composition. Your allies will be able to complement your army. Therefore, each and every team game, I do the same exact build: speedling expand into mass cracklings, into broodlords. I played this style over and over and over until I do it easily without thinking while chatting with my friends over skype. In the meantime, my macro improved exponentially, something I feel is especially important for Zerg.

About two weeks ago, I decided to play 1v1 again for the first time. I was nervous of playing poorly, because I hadn't played on ladder in so long. I decided to ladder while on call with the friends I play team games with, when they were all laddering as well. Keeping up a conversation with them about random things while playing helped me stay relaxed and just carry out the build I felt comfortable doing from repetition. Everything seemed really really easy compared to how it had been (because my macro was just so much better!), and I was rolling people. I got promoted to gold the next day. (And haven't played a 1v1 since then because of vacation and need for some practice before being tempted to jump back on ladder.)

If you are looking for some other people to play with maybe you would like to drop into the stream that my friends and I have (http://www.justin.tv/trevorcholmes). We stream usually starting between 9-midnight eastern time, into the wee hours of the night. We also like to play with anyone who happens to wander into our stream, so if you want some custom 1v1 practice games and some coaching, you can jump in skype with us and we can all help you improve, or you can play some team games with us for fun, or even our really crazy custom games before we all collapse of exhaustion at the end of the night.

Good luck, good luck!
SuperHerbie
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8 Posts
June 12 2011 22:32 GMT
#8
Thank you all for the help and advice!! :D really appreciate it.
John Hancock?...It's herbie hancock...
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
June 13 2011 01:18 GMT
#9
It's OK to practice against computers.
At the silver level, as long as you have more "stuff" you should win as long as you don't go mass banshee vs vikings or something.

The main advice I give to lower level players: Macro, macro, macro.
Nothing else really matters. When players transition from BW to SC2, they have it pretty easy because most decent BW players have solid macro (compared to new RTS players)

Work on not constantly making workers, expanding, and making stuff without your money getting to high.

Try to make MASS MMM and a-move. Try to go mass stalker vs. marauders. Making different units is easy, getting macro down is hard. Once you can out produce your opponent, then worry about counters.

For now, just focus on making stuff!
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Raigeki
Profile Joined September 2010
Hong Kong207 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 02:21:22
June 13 2011 02:20 GMT
#10
u really need to play just for the sake of entertainment/improvement, if you wanna calm your nerves, just remember that the person who u meet up on the ladder may also be going through the same thing as you
SuperHerbie
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8 Posts
June 13 2011 12:22 GMT
#11
Ya that is true, I never thought about it that way! I just need to learn to not psyche myself out and just have fun
John Hancock?...It's herbie hancock...
ChronoCat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
266 Posts
June 13 2011 13:46 GMT
#12
Your story sounds a lot like mine. I played Protoss till the gold league, then decided to switch to Zerg. Since I knew I'd drop a league if I immediately started laddering with a new race, I practiced builds against the AI a lot, and played some customs against random people just to get the feel of playing Zerg against a real opponent, without actually hurting my ladder position.

I too suffered from the same ladder anxiety that you get, and for the longest time I just couldn't get myself to click the "Find Match" button after my switch to Zerg. I was afraid that I'd get trashed every game, and afraid that I'd get demoted and laughed at. I was afraid of the possibility that I just might not be good at the game and that failing at the ladder would prove that. I played a couple of ladder games here and there, but rarely, and not as much as I would've liked to, simply because every time I play a ladder game, my heart would start beating really fast uncontrollably, and I'd be super exhausted after every match.

I realized however that I wouldn't improve if I didn't ladder (I have practically no practice buddies IRL) so I forced myself to press the Find Match button. I forced myself to play at least x number of games. I forced myself to play, despite my nerves telling me otherwise. The first few sessions were horrible, I went on stupid losing streaks against players I know I can beat, and my heart was still beating really fast during and after every game. But I kept forcing myself to press the Find Match button everyday. After a few more sessions, I successfully overcame my ladder anxiety (for the most part) and improved significantly over the course of just a few days.

So my advice to you would be to just do it. Just click the button. Don't give a fuck if you're gonna get demoted or go on a horrible lose streak, don't give a fuck if you lose to cheese or the dumbest builds ever, and don't give a fuck to the people who might judge you because of your potential bad performance. With stupid mistakes and failure in the ladder, comes improvement and a more confident playstyle and mindset. And once you get into the laddering habit, you will start to enjoy ladder, and Starcraft 2 as a whole, a lot more than before.
SuperHerbie
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8 Posts
June 13 2011 14:20 GMT
#13
You're right Chrono, I need to just do it with out worrying about what people think of me and my play. Like you were, I am not laddering as much as I should be. and the demotion to silver just hurt my confidence even more. Thanks for the great advice, yours really hit home for me.

<3
John Hancock?...It's herbie hancock...
Aqueos
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States41 Posts
June 13 2011 16:55 GMT
#14
If you have someone who can help you IRL, it really helps. But if you can't, you might try for one of the tutoring streams. But in any case, practice practice practice. Ladder games are a lot of fun :D
SuperHerbie
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8 Posts
June 13 2011 20:49 GMT
#15
Ya i don't have any IRL friends that stil play and i use to practice with my buddy who was a diamond league player, so the matches were always way one sided so it just frustrated me, then i quit for awhile, now im back and want to play! i just gotta get over my nerves and just play :D i'll most likely use the practice buddy thread and add some silver league players and practice with them.

Thanks~
John Hancock?...It's herbie hancock...
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