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What is the make up and interaction of different groups of Israelis?
I mean we know that you are all Jewish or at least Jewish being the overwhelming majority but a great number of your population come from immigrants from different parts of Europe, do you have discriminations based on say a Russian Jewish person or polish Jewish person etc...
Another question is, can you introduce some of your primary industries? You get financial support from US but you must do some thing right considering your trade with Arab world is pretty much non-existent.
How receptive are Israelis on non Jewish people settling there? Except Arabs for obvious reasons.
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On May 21 2011 19:35 deathly rat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 19:17 Kazius wrote:On May 21 2011 19:02 deathly rat wrote:On May 21 2011 18:42 Kazius wrote:On May 21 2011 17:04 deathly rat wrote:On May 21 2011 16:33 Kazius wrote:
Comparatively, people from most "western" countries are duplicitous.
I'm interested to know why you think this. Especially since you previously said.... On May 21 2011 16:33 Kazius wrote:
Racism here is just as abundant as anywhere else in the world, which I find horrible considering that the holocaust should have taught us better.
I'd also be interested to know how you would generalise African or Asian people. The connection between history and now just eludes a lot of people. It's much less so in places like Tel-Aviv and the big cities (similar to NY and California in the US), but racism is not duplicitous in itself, deplorable as it is. Duplicitous in social interaction is usually smiling and being polite to someone that you hate. I try to avoid generalizing people, but it is a basic human trait (inductive thought process, generalizing from personal history). I can (and do) treat each person as a person I don't know when I first meet them, and do keep an open mind. I don't generalize African people, as I have met very few (about 15-20 people, mostly from South Africa). Of the Asian people I've had in-depth conversations with, most have been Japanese, and they are just... different, on many levels, than people from other countries. They are usually reserved, but very authentic at expressing emotions - when they wonder about something or enjoy it, you can see it from a mile - and when at parties, they party just as hard as Israelis (which is no small feat). I also dated a girl from South Korea when I was in Perth (Australia). She was awesome. But I can't infer from her and BW/SC2 enough to make an opinion about how South Koreans are as a people. What is Racist is saying that western people are duplicitous, which is calling them untrustworthy and liars. What you seem to be describing would be called being polite by most reasonable people. It is often polite to smile and be freindly to strangers or people you don't even like, because this is the way adult people live in harmony with their neighbours. If you are rude and unpleasent to the people you dislike in your life then it's not so surprising you end up with such a combative place as Israel. Also, from my experience of living in Japan and visiting South Korea I can tell you that the stereotype that they are reserved is a complete myth, and they are no more "authentic" than any other people. Indeed, from my experience politeness will require people there to act in a much more freindly way than in the west, even though they might hate your guts. Avoid making judgments on nations or peoples and try to understand their culture, and you will become less racist and more open minded in the future. There is sometimes a dissonance between behavior and actions - and if someone dislikes me, I'd rather they would just avoid me, or even just be abrupt, and not smile at me and be polite and feign warmth. If I dislike someone, I don't bother talking with them, and when forced to, I keep it short, to the point and factual. This is the Israeli way in general. My experience with Japanese people was usually with people from the high-tech industry (as well as a few of ravers, and a van of Japanese people travelling in Australia - but those guys kept to themselves), and perhaps I got the wrong impression. As I said, I try not to make generalizations despite the fact that inevitably, everyone does. Does that make me a racist? I suppose in some ways it does. Then again, I have yet to meet a person who is truly detached from all past experience when thinking about groups of people. So according to your definition, have I met anyone not racist? Yes everybody is tempted to form opinions on groups of people, but when you feel like this you can ask yourself if you are forming views which you are comfortable holding, and re-adjust your views. So, a black man might rob you, and at that moment you instinctively think black guys are all robbers. But later you can reflect that this isn't logical, so you don't think this any more. After a while it becomes a habit and you won't draw conclusions like that in the first place. This has been my own line of reasoning anyway.
Agreed. I phrased myself in a somewhat inflammatory way, but this has been my experience, and basically, I gave the reasons why I think Israel is awesome. Others are bound to disagree. But just for once, I think it would be nice if people would actually want to know how things look from the view of an Israeli... and believe that I am in a better position than most to explain this because I have spent a lot of time with people from around the world and can get around the barriers of communication imposed by different cultures and way of thought.
My generalizations about Israelis are not gentle either, but people should know what my way of thought is if they want me to explain something - and this is why I phrased myself so bluntly.
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On May 21 2011 19:35 deathly rat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 19:17 Kazius wrote:On May 21 2011 19:02 deathly rat wrote:On May 21 2011 18:42 Kazius wrote:On May 21 2011 17:04 deathly rat wrote:On May 21 2011 16:33 Kazius wrote:
Comparatively, people from most "western" countries are duplicitous.
I'm interested to know why you think this. Especially since you previously said.... On May 21 2011 16:33 Kazius wrote:
Racism here is just as abundant as anywhere else in the world, which I find horrible considering that the holocaust should have taught us better.
I'd also be interested to know how you would generalise African or Asian people. The connection between history and now just eludes a lot of people. It's much less so in places like Tel-Aviv and the big cities (similar to NY and California in the US), but racism is not duplicitous in itself, deplorable as it is. Duplicitous in social interaction is usually smiling and being polite to someone that you hate. I try to avoid generalizing people, but it is a basic human trait (inductive thought process, generalizing from personal history). I can (and do) treat each person as a person I don't know when I first meet them, and do keep an open mind. I don't generalize African people, as I have met very few (about 15-20 people, mostly from South Africa). Of the Asian people I've had in-depth conversations with, most have been Japanese, and they are just... different, on many levels, than people from other countries. They are usually reserved, but very authentic at expressing emotions - when they wonder about something or enjoy it, you can see it from a mile - and when at parties, they party just as hard as Israelis (which is no small feat). I also dated a girl from South Korea when I was in Perth (Australia). She was awesome. But I can't infer from her and BW/SC2 enough to make an opinion about how South Koreans are as a people. What is Racist is saying that western people are duplicitous, which is calling them untrustworthy and liars. What you seem to be describing would be called being polite by most reasonable people. It is often polite to smile and be freindly to strangers or people you don't even like, because this is the way adult people live in harmony with their neighbours. If you are rude and unpleasent to the people you dislike in your life then it's not so surprising you end up with such a combative place as Israel. Also, from my experience of living in Japan and visiting South Korea I can tell you that the stereotype that they are reserved is a complete myth, and they are no more "authentic" than any other people. Indeed, from my experience politeness will require people there to act in a much more freindly way than in the west, even though they might hate your guts. Avoid making judgments on nations or peoples and try to understand their culture, and you will become less racist and more open minded in the future. There is sometimes a dissonance between behavior and actions - and if someone dislikes me, I'd rather they would just avoid me, or even just be abrupt, and not smile at me and be polite and feign warmth. If I dislike someone, I don't bother talking with them, and when forced to, I keep it short, to the point and factual. This is the Israeli way in general. My experience with Japanese people was usually with people from the high-tech industry (as well as a few of ravers, and a van of Japanese people travelling in Australia - but those guys kept to themselves), and perhaps I got the wrong impression. As I said, I try not to make generalizations despite the fact that inevitably, everyone does. Does that make me a racist? I suppose in some ways it does. Then again, I have yet to meet a person who is truly detached from all past experience when thinking about groups of people. So according to your definition, have I met anyone not racist? Yes everybody is tempted to form opinions on groups of people, but when you feel like this you can ask yourself if you are forming views which you are comfortable holding, and re-adjust your views. So, a black man might rob you, and at that moment you instinctively think black guys are all robbers. But later you can reflect that this isn't logical, so you don't think this any more. After a while it becomes a habit and you won't draw conclusions like that in the first place. This has been my own line of reasoning anyway.
I think it's more complicated than that.
Maybe your conclusion is that maybe all Black people arent robbers...but perhaps that a Black person is more likely to be one than others. This is actually a rather commomn thought process to make, much the same way that it's accepted that men get charged more for insurance because they are more likely to be in an accident regardless of how unfair and prejudicial it is.
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Hey when I was about 8 years old I used to wake up early every saturday morning to watch cartoons and there was this show in between hosted by a very young Yael Bar Zohar. I had a pretty big crush on her and I always thought she'd become a really big star when she grows up (this was 18 years ago). So whatever happened to her? Is she a big celebrity in Israel?
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On May 21 2011 19:49 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 19:35 deathly rat wrote:On May 21 2011 19:17 Kazius wrote:On May 21 2011 19:02 deathly rat wrote:On May 21 2011 18:42 Kazius wrote:On May 21 2011 17:04 deathly rat wrote:On May 21 2011 16:33 Kazius wrote:
Comparatively, people from most "western" countries are duplicitous.
I'm interested to know why you think this. Especially since you previously said.... On May 21 2011 16:33 Kazius wrote:
Racism here is just as abundant as anywhere else in the world, which I find horrible considering that the holocaust should have taught us better.
I'd also be interested to know how you would generalise African or Asian people. The connection between history and now just eludes a lot of people. It's much less so in places like Tel-Aviv and the big cities (similar to NY and California in the US), but racism is not duplicitous in itself, deplorable as it is. Duplicitous in social interaction is usually smiling and being polite to someone that you hate. I try to avoid generalizing people, but it is a basic human trait (inductive thought process, generalizing from personal history). I can (and do) treat each person as a person I don't know when I first meet them, and do keep an open mind. I don't generalize African people, as I have met very few (about 15-20 people, mostly from South Africa). Of the Asian people I've had in-depth conversations with, most have been Japanese, and they are just... different, on many levels, than people from other countries. They are usually reserved, but very authentic at expressing emotions - when they wonder about something or enjoy it, you can see it from a mile - and when at parties, they party just as hard as Israelis (which is no small feat). I also dated a girl from South Korea when I was in Perth (Australia). She was awesome. But I can't infer from her and BW/SC2 enough to make an opinion about how South Koreans are as a people. What is Racist is saying that western people are duplicitous, which is calling them untrustworthy and liars. What you seem to be describing would be called being polite by most reasonable people. It is often polite to smile and be freindly to strangers or people you don't even like, because this is the way adult people live in harmony with their neighbours. If you are rude and unpleasent to the people you dislike in your life then it's not so surprising you end up with such a combative place as Israel. Also, from my experience of living in Japan and visiting South Korea I can tell you that the stereotype that they are reserved is a complete myth, and they are no more "authentic" than any other people. Indeed, from my experience politeness will require people there to act in a much more freindly way than in the west, even though they might hate your guts. Avoid making judgments on nations or peoples and try to understand their culture, and you will become less racist and more open minded in the future. There is sometimes a dissonance between behavior and actions - and if someone dislikes me, I'd rather they would just avoid me, or even just be abrupt, and not smile at me and be polite and feign warmth. If I dislike someone, I don't bother talking with them, and when forced to, I keep it short, to the point and factual. This is the Israeli way in general. My experience with Japanese people was usually with people from the high-tech industry (as well as a few of ravers, and a van of Japanese people travelling in Australia - but those guys kept to themselves), and perhaps I got the wrong impression. As I said, I try not to make generalizations despite the fact that inevitably, everyone does. Does that make me a racist? I suppose in some ways it does. Then again, I have yet to meet a person who is truly detached from all past experience when thinking about groups of people. So according to your definition, have I met anyone not racist? Yes everybody is tempted to form opinions on groups of people, but when you feel like this you can ask yourself if you are forming views which you are comfortable holding, and re-adjust your views. So, a black man might rob you, and at that moment you instinctively think black guys are all robbers. But later you can reflect that this isn't logical, so you don't think this any more. After a while it becomes a habit and you won't draw conclusions like that in the first place. This has been my own line of reasoning anyway. I think it's more complicated than that. Maybe your conclusion is that maybe all Black people arent robbers...but perhaps that a Black person is more likely to be one than others. This is actually a rather commomn thought process to make, much the same way that it's accepted that men get charged more for insurance because they are more likely to be in an accident regardless of how unfair and prejudicial it is.
Indeed. If I had my way I would make this illegal. I'm not sure it would even be allowed if women were considered a higher risk, but due to the history of repression of women's rights it is considered politically acceptable.
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On May 21 2011 19:39 haduken wrote:
What is the make up and interaction of different groups of Israelis?
I mean we know that you are all Jewish or at least Jewish being the overwhelming majority but a great number of your population come from immigrants from different parts of Europe, do you have discriminations based on say a Russian Jewish person or polish Jewish person etc...
Another question is, can you introduce some of your primary industries? You get financial support from US but you must do some thing right considering your trade with Arab world is pretty much non-existent.
How receptive are Israelis on non Jewish people settling there? Except Arabs for obvious reasons.
That's a great question. The answer is that historically, Israel has been a country of immigrants from many places, at it's best it is the proverbial melting pot. While there was at the start a lot of tension (and the Polish Mom stereotype here is the equivalent of the Jewish Mother stereotype elsewhere), generally there is no discrimination. There is some trepidation in certain cases, but generally, there are enough immigrants from all over the world (especially Russians) that have come here often over the past thirty years, that discrimination is very minimal (there are racists everywhere, and they generally dislike anyone who isn't exactly like them) as everyone here has grown up with immigrants and sees them as just another guy.
As for the industries, Israel has a (rather famous) military industry, considered to be one of the most advanced in the world, is second in the amount of high-tech startups only to the US (numerically, percentage wise, Israel is #1 by far), the most famous Israeli invention probably being the firewall/internet security. Some big pharmaceutical companies here as well. Also, Israel is one of the leading exporters of agricultural technology, as the climate here is rather dry and innovation was forced. Generally, technology-based companies are what make the money here. It sure isn't tourism 
As to non-Jewish people... it depends where. Generally speaking, the more urban the area, the less a bunch of rednecks they are is a truism. I dated a Catholic girl from Ireland here. She seemed to have no problem.
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On May 21 2011 19:54 BG1 wrote:
Hey when I was about 8 years old I used to wake up early every saturday morning to watch cartoons and there was this show in between hosted by a very young Yael Bar Zohar. I had a pretty big crush on her and I always thought she'd become a really big star when she grows up (this was 18 years ago). So whatever happened to her? Is she a big celebrity in Israel?
She used to be HUGE celebrity (even bigger than her ample knocke... erm, intellectual capability), but her "acting" relegated her to being stuck in soaps and vanishing from sight. People still remember her, but she hasn't been a first string celebrity in nearly a decade.
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How are Arab Jews treated in Israel?
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The israeli believe that Abraham gave them the promest land like 2000 years ago.
I am the only one that finds this a bit strange?
Do the israeli not study things like biology, astrophisics, geology, ???
Just watch the documentary "the ultra zionist" very interesting to see the israeli point of view xD
Open your eyes, israel is far from awesome, at least the people and their old believe system are not awesome.
From my point of view every one who things they are chosen by god, and the rest isnt, or the land was given to them by god, is extremely racist.
If israelis want to be accepted, they should start to accept other people as well not only themselves.
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On May 21 2011 20:11 Kipsate wrote:
How are Arab Jews treated in Israel? Wait, I'm not the only one? lol
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On that topic what about Ethiopian Jewish people? or Asian Jews? (Is there such a thing?)
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On May 21 2011 20:11 Kipsate wrote:
How are Arab Jews treated in Israel?
Arab Jews... well, approximately 40% of the Jewish population is or descended from immigrants from Arab countries. How are they treated? Well, like anyone else.
On May 21 2011 20:39 haduken wrote:
On that topic what about Ethiopian Jewish people? or Asian Jews? (Is there such a thing?)
The Ethiopian Jews have a growing community, and they tend to keep to themselves though that is becoming less and less the case. There is some racism, like every other white country with black people. Not everyone can look beyond that because... well, for whatever reason stupid people exist.
On May 21 2011 20:22 SpaceDreamer wrote:
The israeli believe that Abraham gave them the promest land like 2000 years ago.
I am the only one that finds this a bit strange?
Do the israeli not study things like biology, astrophisics, geology, ???
Just watch the documentary "the ultra zionist" very interesting to see the israeli point of view xD
Open your eyes, israel is far from awesome, at least the people and their old believe system are not awesome.
From my point of view every one who things they are chosen by god, and the rest isnt, or the land was given to them by god, is extremely racist.
If israelis want to be accepted, they should start to accept other people as well not only themselves.
Oh please don't bring that up. Those guys are the Phelps family of Israel (another one of Theroux's documentaries "America Most Hated Family: In Crisis" gives you a view of those guys if you don't know who they are). Please, please, please don't think that Israelis are like that. The country defends those people (the first job of the state is the safety of it's citizens), but people HATE those guys here. I can personally attest that as a combat soldier, I spent a few months protecting those guys. Some of them used to throw rocks at my car WHILE I WAS DOING ROUNDS TO DEFEND THEM. They are a bunch of religious crazies.
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good to see more Israelis in TL, most of what you said was right, but Israel is far from awesome.
sure there are nice people here, but 9 out of 10 are complete asses and uber right winged/ racist.
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On May 21 2011 16:33 Kazius wrote:
I'm Israeli. Born and raised mostly in Israel (and the United States for an interim). I fancy myself a rather clever person. I'm liberal person, a religious agnostic, and believe human rights to be an important value - including freedom of speech as a basic human right. My political agenda is pro-peace, and that the Palestinian state is a necessity. I lived in the US for a few years, travelled the world and visited all kinds of awesome places. Places where day to day news does not involve local death and destruction. With low taxes, peace of mind, and generally speaking - a worry free existence. I made friends from fifteen countries, and still keep in touch.
I was drafted into the military, as a combat soldier, and do reserve duty for about a month a year, which totally sucks since I have a life to live. Taxes in Israel are relatively high, due to an unfortunately necessary high expense for security. Israelis are argumentative by any scale (maybe the Lebanese could give contest). The universal truth applies: the dumber people are, the louder and more obnoxious they get. Coupled with the argumentative quality, this makes for some very frustrating debates. This is extremely frustrating considering the right-wing and hawkish political agendas which are popular. Racism here is just as abundant as anywhere else in the world, which I find horrible considering that the holocaust should have taught us better.
I could move to some place else, and the idea is quite tempting.
With all that in mind, Israel is awesome.
The people may by loud, but in a pinch no one is more helpful. While rude, people here are genuine, and friends are genuine friends - something that is much rarer in most societies. People speak their mind, even if their mind isn't exactly the finest. People are direct, warm and friendly - not politically correct, guarded and polite. When someone smiles at you, thanks you, or say that they like you as a person... they mean it. Comparatively, people from most "western" countries are duplicitous.
And we have hot chicks.
This is my first post in this blog, and while I decided for the most part I will keep it cheerful and funny. But I will use this blog to answer any non-political question about Israel (as the majority of political inquiries about Israel is by someone who already made up their minds).
So, ask away. This is just blatant generalisation and stereotyping of other people. People are individuals, not some shaped mold copies of each other
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On May 21 2011 22:23 xarthaz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 16:33 Kazius wrote:
I'm Israeli. Born and raised mostly in Israel (and the United States for an interim). I fancy myself a rather clever person. I'm liberal person, a religious agnostic, and believe human rights to be an important value - including freedom of speech as a basic human right. My political agenda is pro-peace, and that the Palestinian state is a necessity. I lived in the US for a few years, travelled the world and visited all kinds of awesome places. Places where day to day news does not involve local death and destruction. With low taxes, peace of mind, and generally speaking - a worry free existence. I made friends from fifteen countries, and still keep in touch.
I was drafted into the military, as a combat soldier, and do reserve duty for about a month a year, which totally sucks since I have a life to live. Taxes in Israel are relatively high, due to an unfortunately necessary high expense for security. Israelis are argumentative by any scale (maybe the Lebanese could give contest). The universal truth applies: the dumber people are, the louder and more obnoxious they get. Coupled with the argumentative quality, this makes for some very frustrating debates. This is extremely frustrating considering the right-wing and hawkish political agendas which are popular. Racism here is just as abundant as anywhere else in the world, which I find horrible considering that the holocaust should have taught us better.
I could move to some place else, and the idea is quite tempting.
With all that in mind, Israel is awesome.
The people may by loud, but in a pinch no one is more helpful. While rude, people here are genuine, and friends are genuine friends - something that is much rarer in most societies. People speak their mind, even if their mind isn't exactly the finest. People are direct, warm and friendly - not politically correct, guarded and polite. When someone smiles at you, thanks you, or say that they like you as a person... they mean it. Comparatively, people from most "western" countries are duplicitous.
And we have hot chicks.
This is my first post in this blog, and while I decided for the most part I will keep it cheerful and funny. But I will use this blog to answer any non-political question about Israel (as the majority of political inquiries about Israel is by someone who already made up their minds).
So, ask away. This is just blatant generalisation and stereotyping of other people. People are individuals, not some shaped mold copies of each other
It is. I mentioned that. But I'm saying that Israelis are uncommonly direct, and their actions follow their words, to a fault at times. I find that characteristic totally awesome. Others would say that's just rephrasing of "cultural asperger symptoms". It's a matter of perspective. I didn't sugar coat it, it is a reason I love my home.
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I dont generalize, only stupid and limited peple do that, there is nice people all over the world.
As a matter of fact, being nice is natural behavior of humans, its the bad experiences, bad education, or bad belive sistems that corrupt the pure soul of humans.
Of course humans do bad things in extreme situations like being hungry and having to survive, but those are instincts, not normal calculated behaviour.
What i say is, all religions that existed in the past, today and in the future are just crap, and ilusions. Mainly for control of the people, or becouse they where so ignorant they didnt knew better.
The thing with religion is everyone thinks theyr god is the best, of course its gona couse tension if two people of diferent religions start arguing who is the better god lol
And yea Israel is mainly a religious state:
"The religious status quo, agreed upon by David Ben-Gurion with the religious parties at the time of the declaration of independence in 1948 is an agreement on the religious Jewish role in government and the judicial system of Israel. The agreement was based upon a letter that was sent by Ben-Gurion to Agudat Israel dated 19 June 1947.[18] Under this agreement, which still operates in most respects today"
I respect people have their religions and practice them, i wish i was beliving in heaven xD
Once religion starts interacting in the state and law affairs (like the cristian religion in the middleages) then its not awesome for me.
You seem a nice guy, im sure you religious, cos every israeli is, you seem to be the more tolerant type, but your goverment is not that tolerant im sure.
I love all people, no matter what religion or part of the world, we are an amazing evolved creature, and we depend on all other creatures of this planet.
This is paradise, we just forgoten, the day will come and we remember again.
even if we find other planets, we will never find one like ours, simply becouse this planet made us all.
Just for the lolz: 40 % in america belive we come from adam and eve, and the earth is 6000 years old xD
Religion is overrated and old fashion
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On May 21 2011 22:55 SpaceDreamer wrote:
I dont generalize, only stupid and limited peple do that, there is nice people all over the world.
As a matter of fact, being nice is natural behavior of humans, its the bad experiences, bad education, or bad belive sistems that corrupt the pure soul of humans.
OK, so explain the generalizations here:
Of course humans do bad things in extreme situations like being hungry and having to survive, but those are instincts, not normal calculated behaviour.
I believe humans are egotistic by nature. It's not good or evil, it's just human nature. It makes people do terrible stuff, like outsourcing the production of stuff to countries where labor is basically slave-labor.
What i say is, all religions that existed in the past, today and in the future are just crap, and ilusions. Mainly for control of the people, or becouse they where so ignorant they didnt knew better.
The thing with religion is everyone thinks theyr god is the best, of course its gona couse tension if two people of diferent religions start arguing who is the better god lol
Who is generalizing now?
And yea Israel is mainly a religious state:
"The religious status quo, agreed upon by David Ben-Gurion with the religious parties at the time of the declaration of independence in 1948 is an agreement on the religious Jewish role in government and the judicial system of Israel. The agreement was based upon a letter that was sent by Ben-Gurion to Agudat Israel dated 19 June 1947.[18] Under this agreement, which still operates in most respects today"
I respect people have their religions and practice them, i wish i was beliving in heaven xD
Once religion starts interacting in the state and law affairs (like the cristian religion in the middleages) then its not awesome for me.
It's Sabbath, there is heavy traffic in the street under my appartment. Non-kosher food is sold at the supermarket next to my house at this very moment. Actually, the religious status-quo is mainly matters of Jewish marriage and conversion to religion.
You seem a nice guy, im sure you religious, cos every israeli is, you seem to be the more tolerant type, but your goverment is not that tolerant im sure.
I love all people, no matter what religion or part of the world, we are an amazing evolved creature, and we depend on all other creatures of this planet.
This is paradise, we just forgoten, the day will come and we remember again.
even if we find other planets, we will never find one like ours, simply becouse this planet made us all.
Just for the lolz: 40 % in america belive we come from adam and eve, and the earth is 6000 years old xD
Religion is overrated and old fashion
As I have stated before, I do not believe in an all-powerful being. I do not believe in God. The vast majority of Israel is secular, and only goes to pray once or twice a year in holidays when it is considered a thing of tradition, not religion really. I'm sorry you think Israel is all that religious, because it really isn't. The religious people are just a loud group. Same as in the US.
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Unlike most posters out here, i agree with the OP. Israel is awesome... in fact, Israel is awesome for everyone. Well, at least, Israel is awesome for most people... Oh no....wait....Israel is not awesome for Palestinians.
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On May 21 2011 17:51 Pholon wrote:
Have you been to one/some of the Israeli SC2 lans? They looked superfun.
Haven't been to any SC2 lans... Heard they are really awesome, but their timing is just terrible for me in most cases.
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just would like to say that the OP is handling most questions fairly well despite the aggression he is receiving in a lot of posts.
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