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My first timing attack!

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TheAlchemist89
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
160 Posts
May 21 2011 04:39 GMT
#1
Still on my journey beyond gold... been a while since I've posted but I've been spending my SC2 time mostly watching SC2 being played lately.

The NASL has had some amazing games where I've learned a lot... I highly recommend anyone thinking about purchasing a pass to check it out, it's great! Few kinks to work out like lower quality VODs rather than just 1080p, but that could just be my bandwidth cap speaking

Alternatively I've been watching Artosis' stream... and I can't speak highly enough of him, or his ability to teach SC2. Somehow Artosis is able to stream, talk, theory craft and play all at the same time... I hope to get there one day! But while he's been talking I often find myself trying to figure out what he should do next.... and then compare that to what he actually does, and how it works out. It's been a great experience and I can feel my B-net nervousness start to subside. I no longer care about losing, I just want to make sure I'm losing for the right reasons.

It was a long day today... but before bed I figured I'd give SC2 one quick whirl... and I wanted to try and break out of my old habits and try to play SC2 a bit slower (I already play slow! lol) and try to process my scouting information to make intelligent decisions. I ended up playing against a semi-standard terran.... my current weakest matchup.

I took a deep breath and decided to open with a loose 3 gate... and react to whatever the terran did. If he went into a macro game, I'd oblige and expand and tech up.... if he came at me hard... I'd respond in kind. I never expected to actually discover my own "killer instinct"...something that's been severely lacking in my games.

I really focused on keeping my scouting probe alive to try and figure out if the terran had expanded, and if so when he planned on moving out. I scouted his ramp with 2 zealots (can take a few more shots from rines before taking hull damage compared to a probe) to try and determine what the terran was doing behind his wall-in... I saw what I perceived to be two rax going down (actually a rax and fact) and saw a pack of marines.... though the pile didn't seem that big yet. I decided to wait a second and scout again with my probe... lo and behold he expanded.

In the back of my mind... I felt I should 6 gate him and see how that worked to punish a terran who had literally just expanded. I quickly threw down 3 more gates, and set up a semi-forward pylon (could have been placed better... but I'll work on that stuff when I get my basics down). When I had a round or two warped in, I pushed in with my force and was able to bust his expo, and then charge my way up into his main for the gg. A very small step... but I finally had one of those "attack" moments. Normally I throw my army away on some pathetic attack.

My macro was pretty bad, my probe production went bye bye for some reason when I was processing scouting info.... and my micro is as terrible as it could be... but I definitely feel I've improved from this match!

Exciting times. Here's the replay if anyone's interested.

http://drop.sc/11044


Cheers! Any advice is always welcome. I really enjoy the RTS genre and strategy games in general... I'd love to push into higher tiers of SC2 to really enjoy what it has to offer.

****
RoTaNiMoD
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States558 Posts
May 21 2011 05:09 GMT
#2
dude, NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

seriously, good job. a+ post would read again.

(it's a shame that forums have gone so troll-trendy that the prior statements may seem sarcastic. they're not. seriously dude, nice)
garlicface
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada4196 Posts
May 21 2011 05:30 GMT
#3
Well done. For people who don't play often or even those in the lower leagues, something like this feels so good.

Back when I played ~4 games every week, I had a miraculous ZvT where it all came down to his 2 base marine/tank push getting up to my nat... and I stomped him with banes near the xelnaga watchtower on Backwater Gulch.

Congrats on your timing attack. That's the thing that just makes you want to keep on playing.
#TeamBuLba
Astrapto
Profile Joined December 2010
United States69 Posts
May 21 2011 06:22 GMT
#4
On May 21 2011 14:09 RoTaNiMoD wrote:
the prior statements may seem sarcastic.

The exclamation points didn't help.
ALLEN
Geovu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Estonia1344 Posts
May 21 2011 06:25 GMT
#5
Oh cool, another 6 gate Toss.
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
May 21 2011 06:54 GMT
#6
On May 21 2011 14:09 RoTaNiMoD wrote:
(it's a shame that forums have gone so troll-trendy that the prior statements may seem sarcastic. they're not. seriously dude, nice)

On May 21 2011 15:25 Geovu wrote:
Oh cool, another 6 gate Toss.

lol
I've been having the same transformation, OP. It seems like one of the things the elitists find to be of skill, so I guess it's a step in the right direction.
antilyon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil2546 Posts
May 21 2011 07:30 GMT
#7
This is one huge improvement, you are actually figuring out when and why attack, instead of just because BO told you so.I hope you do well.
maahes`ra
Profile Joined January 2011
United States255 Posts
May 21 2011 08:44 GMT
#8
Congrats man! Keep working on it, and develop... The Eye of the Tiger! :D
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TheAlchemist89
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
160 Posts
May 22 2011 19:36 GMT
#9
Thanks everyone :D

6 Gating Toss... I wouldn't describe myself as that technically because the 6-gate was due to the terran's greed. He should have pressured instead of just expanding. I'm definitely trying to get a better grip on how to exploit what a player does in terms of econ/tech/military power.

More interesting times ahead I hope!
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
May 22 2011 20:02 GMT
#10
I'm in masters and I still don't have timings attacks or anything... I'm jealous
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
showBanquo
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden182 Posts
May 22 2011 20:23 GMT
#11
GJ ! I have yet to learn how to make nice timing pushes, I usually play rather passive until ive gotten my
natural up (after defending first push, or concluded that he's passive) and then just try too counter his unit composition and have superior macro (focusing on probes upgrades etc)
Naniwa - king of the north
AnxiousHippo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia1451 Posts
May 22 2011 22:02 GMT
#12
Niiiiiiiice. It's always good to be able to adapt to your opponent's play on the fly. Great work!
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