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P00RKID
Profile Joined December 2009
United States424 Posts
May 15 2011 05:02 GMT
#41
I always wonder how the moderators deal with 100+ page threads. I can barely read past 20 pages, 16 pages of which are just repeats of the most common responses, usually something like "Great post" or "Good write up" or whatever is the bare minimum is to not get banned or warned, but also to not actually say anything worth reading either (as I_Love_Bacon and others have mentioned here already)
"Does your butt hurt? 'cause you fell from heaven once the cast was over?" Artosis
qwaykee
Profile Joined February 2010
Norway268 Posts
May 15 2011 05:36 GMT
#42
So true about LR threads. They are useless now and you see users with a trillion posts and 80% of them is oneliners in LR threads.

Gogo MoonBear for live reporting in LR threads. You are the reason many people read them!
Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-15 06:31:16
May 15 2011 06:28 GMT
#43
Has the number of moderators and admins increased in proportion to the increase in community size, or is it the same group of people who just have to do more work?

Also, I have to admit I have probably contributed more than my fair share of simple compliments and shallow observations to discussions. I will definitely try to contribute posts that are more substantial in the future. Some times I forget that this is not just a community of like minded individuals, but a competitive community. Sifting through generic junk to find a decent post from a member pisses me off sometimes too, so its kind of embarrassing to realize I am just as much part of the problem. Bleh.
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
May 15 2011 06:32 GMT
#44
On May 15 2011 13:47 LordWeird wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2011 09:07 bkrow wrote:
On May 15 2011 01:50 LordWeird wrote:
As much as I agree with this post, I can't help but feel I've read it a thousand times before.

Well that's the point - you have over 3,000 posts, which means i can assume you understand enough about the community to still be here. It's the new users that fall into these common traps - especially things like posting in the SFW picture thread without a picture!! Or when people TL:DR threads; both of these don't end up good, but who would really know?


I think it's more because I've been here since 07 and have seen so many bad trolls and shitty posts. I'm glad you wrote it. I just hope new people take it to heart.

BTW holy shit you're a posting machine... more than me in like a quarter of the time.

Haha luckily i work a desk job for a company that hasn't blocked any websites. So my days include TL.net and whenever i can sprinkle in a little bit of work here and there It's also funny you mention that because i would say a lot of my post count comes from Live Reporting in LR threads.
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
Zytozux
Profile Joined May 2011
United States5 Posts
May 15 2011 07:00 GMT
#45
Yes, the live report thread is a definitive ban trap. As a newcomer to the community (from /v/) I honestly thought it was just a thread discussing a tournament. I actually thought the person doing the LRing was a bit strange. Why is the LR really necessary though? I can't really think of a situation where you could access a popular gaming site like teamliquid and not be able to access justin.tv, gom, or ustream. Maybe people with very poor internet connectivity?

It's pretty easy to make the mistake as well. Take the recent gsl finals for example. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222525
Do a cntrl+f, search for live report, it's not there. It's the same on almost every thread in the SC2 tourney section as well.
Ensare just attacked July like thrusting your fist into an ant colony.
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
May 15 2011 07:22 GMT
#46
On May 15 2011 16:00 Zytozux wrote:
Yes, the live report thread is a definitive ban trap. As a newcomer to the community (from /v/) I honestly thought it was just a thread discussing a tournament. I actually thought the person doing the LRing was a bit strange. Why is the LR really necessary though? I can't really think of a situation where you could access a popular gaming site like teamliquid and not be able to access justin.tv, gom, or ustream. Maybe people with very poor internet connectivity?

It's pretty easy to make the mistake as well. Take the recent gsl finals for example. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222525
Do a cntrl+f, search for live report, it's not there. It's the same on almost every thread in the SC2 tourney section as well.

There can be many reasons people can't access the stream;
  • Can't afford pass - GSL for example
  • Work servers block streaming websites
  • Internet wont allow streaming sites
  • Stream goes down in certain locations
  • People following the tournament on iphone etc

These are just a few i can think of. LRing has helped me stay in the loop so many times i find it an invaluable resource.
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
May 15 2011 07:57 GMT
#47
nice to see stuff like this, when people make an account they should be insta linked to this! (like how you go to disney when youre banned )
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Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
May 15 2011 08:16 GMT
#48
On May 15 2011 16:22 bkrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2011 16:00 Zytozux wrote:
Yes, the live report thread is a definitive ban trap. As a newcomer to the community (from /v/) I honestly thought it was just a thread discussing a tournament. I actually thought the person doing the LRing was a bit strange. Why is the LR really necessary though? I can't really think of a situation where you could access a popular gaming site like teamliquid and not be able to access justin.tv, gom, or ustream. Maybe people with very poor internet connectivity?

It's pretty easy to make the mistake as well. Take the recent gsl finals for example. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222525
Do a cntrl+f, search for live report, it's not there. It's the same on almost every thread in the SC2 tourney section as well.

There can be many reasons people can't access the stream;
  • Can't afford pass - GSL for example
  • Work servers block streaming websites
  • Internet wont allow streaming sites
  • Stream goes down in certain locations
  • People following the tournament on iphone etc

These are just a few i can think of. LRing has helped me stay in the loop so many times i find it an invaluable resource.


A not technical reason would be that a person has more things to do that are of a higher priority then watching a professional SC2 game. But they still want to know what happens in the game, so by checking the LR Thread from time to time, they can find those stacked, self-replied reports and stay in the loop. Its far better to read those I think then a simple recommendation poll, since it includes the details.
Mr.Brightside
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia317 Posts
May 15 2011 08:50 GMT
#49
I think this is a relatively useful thread, although I think someone has already stated that if you don't bother to find out about these things you're probably also a person that wouldn't read the OP.

With time though I think people become more involved and aware of what's going on in the site. TL is pretty tricky to navigate when you're new here and it's easy to make some of the mistakes you talked about. Me for example wouldn't have bothered to read your post 2 years ago but back then I also never posted either. I think the common theme of your OP is think before you post, and strangely enough that is really difficult for many.
"Makin' Pylons, Makin' Probes, Fightin' Round The World" - Russell Crowe
videogames
Profile Joined May 2011
United States103 Posts
May 15 2011 09:50 GMT
#50
protos imba

User was warned for this post
>
AJMcSpiffy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1154 Posts
May 15 2011 14:43 GMT
#51
Very useful post. It can be a bit intimidating joining this site because coming from any other message board, it's hard to differentiate between "We have strict rules for a good reason" and "We have mods who enjoy banning people". Now though I'm almost spoiled by TL, I go to any other site and I can't stand the shit posting I see everywhere. The guidelines are there to make the community as a whole better, and they most definitely do their job

One question though, is there a certain mod (or group of mods) who should be contacted, say, for problems on certain boards? Or will any moderator handle any problem?
If the quarter was in your right hand, that would've been micro
jaydee81
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany119 Posts
May 15 2011 15:56 GMT
#52
For some reason I feel your post is worth way less that any post asking about when thwe GSL takes place. You really have fucking nothing to do, right?

User was warned for this post
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19367 Posts
May 15 2011 17:16 GMT
#53
Thanks for the write up. I'm sorry every1 on TL feels like things are out of control. Part of having change in the community is adapting. I embrace having SC2 merge in the TL website and I love the community of people. I still love BW more then ever and watch it every day, but I throw SC2 parties. Why? Because I want to embrace the community and enjoy hearing from the people of a new era in eSports. I hope that people maintain being respectful and TL can continue being the top website.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Snackbar
Profile Joined March 2011
59 Posts
May 15 2011 21:57 GMT
#54
Yeah, I find that if you upset the status quo on TL, people are going to start flaming you, regardless of your input. Very interesting I must say.
vitruvia
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada235 Posts
May 15 2011 22:11 GMT
#55
i've been using TL way before i've even made an account just because the informations we need are readily available all over the sites(made account in 2009 for fantasy proleague lmao), i don't see why people need to ask questions through a post anyway D:

oh btw the reason TL.net =/= google is because TL/net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google, just look at the epic stories ad how-to's you find in the blog sections, far more informative and accurate than what google can give you =D.
what quote?
Wargable
Profile Joined April 2011
United States107 Posts
May 15 2011 23:41 GMT
#56
Awesome Read! Team Liquid is hands down the best online community I have been a part of and it's because of reasons, many of which you described, and for excellent posts such as this!

Good job!
"That brings my piss to a boil."
MusiK
Profile Joined August 2010
United States302 Posts
May 16 2011 06:43 GMT
#57
Thank you.

I want this forum to be a place where I can come and see some sensible talk.

Hopefully people will agree and start acting accordingly.
BOOM!!! ~ Tasteless
showBanquo
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden182 Posts
May 16 2011 07:20 GMT
#58
Great Post
Since I'm new (obviously) this was helpful , and the (rather hard)
set of rules you've got makes sense , to keep the quality high I mean.
And I will think twice before posting a thread
Naniwa - king of the north
adso
Profile Joined March 2011
718 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-16 11:46:03
May 16 2011 11:07 GMT
#59
On May 15 2011 03:21 Kipsate wrote:
This should be sent automatically as a PM whenever someone makes a new user account on Teamliquid lol.

No, the 10 is best,
however, any warning (advertised or not) could/should link to it.. just cause it can't be bad and it might help genuinely lost posters
(lost=new but good people, not lost= get the fu&/ out of here you don't belong)


On May 15 2011 16:57 L3g3nd_ wrote:
nice to see stuff like this, when people make an account they should be insta linked to this! (like how you go to disney when you are banned )

i respectfully disagree
The trip to see daffy is more of a useful experience if you don't know why this happens
(ps: it made me think, i feel it's one of the best way to "separate" casual from hardcore, as such i think it works as is )

On May 16 2011 06:57 Snackbar wrote:
Yeah, I find that if you upset the status quo on TL, people are going to start flaming you, regardless of your input. Very interesting I must say.

<3 this particular discussion/concept.

@op:
i think you being "relatively" new is a plus as op poster.
Thank you for all the newbs who might turn out to be hidden gems

edit: ty
diverzee
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden992 Posts
May 16 2011 12:25 GMT
#60
I have yet to come across a bigger forum on the internet without a post like this in it. They are always without exceptions made by the same kind of users, who are never actually a mod themselves. Their own posting history contains bland, 100% non-controversial posts without the slightest interesting content in them, and they pride themselves on always making sure the first letter in each sentence is capital. They have never themselves been close to even getting the slightest warning, despite acting experts on the matter.

Mods are just people who have a position where they help do cleanup. They are janitors. All this treating them with silk gloves, carefully stepping around them and as in these kinds of threads' case trying to suck up to them consolidates their artificial authority. It is good that mods exist, and it is good that people follow rules - but this submissiveness towards what could often be just a teenage boy, by an educated adult shows why internet communities and their heirarchys look so wrong.

People should respect moderators, but no more than they respect other users. Likewise mods should give proper respect back, like in a civilised community. Anything else is so medieval.
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