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57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
May 16 2011 12:51 GMT
#61
On the subject of LR threads, I think that only certain privileged posters (Trusted LRers) should be able to post the actual live report, and then there would be some kind of an IRC channel for people to talk amongst eachother about what is happening and react to exciting things.

I have seen way too many "WOOOOW" posts in the LR threads that make finding the real live reports difficult.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
May 16 2011 13:07 GMT
#62
On May 16 2011 21:25 diverzee wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I have yet to come across a bigger forum on the internet without a post like this in it. They are always without exceptions made by the same kind of users, who are never actually a mod themselves. Their own posting history contains bland, 100% non-controversial posts without the slightest interesting content in them, and they pride themselves on always making sure the first letter in each sentence is capital. They have never themselves been close to even getting the slightest warning, despite acting experts on the matter.

Mods are just people who have a position where they help do cleanup. They are janitors. All this treating them with silk gloves, carefully stepping around them and as in these kinds of threads' case trying to suck up to them consolidates their artificial authority. It is good that mods exist, and it is good that people follow rules - but this submissiveness towards what could often be just a teenage boy, by an educated adult shows why internet communities and their heirarchys look so wrong.

People should respect moderators, but no more than they respect other users. Likewise mods should give proper respect back, like in a civilized community. Anything else is so medieval.


Wouldn't it be nice if people respected other users? Utopian even. You wont find respected members of the community groveling at the moderators feet. Those members that do are akin to children seeing bad kids get in trouble and sucking up. The bad kids should be embarrassed. Regardless of age.
Artificial authority is not accurate. They have authority over your ability to post in these forums. No more no less. consequently all the rules are regarding this.
Imagine if i wrote "lawl great thread bro -_-" on my wiki at work?
You follow the rules of a website or you are no longer privileged to view it.
You sound like a child complaining about a student who is a "goody two shoes"
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
May 16 2011 13:08 GMT
#63
On May 16 2011 21:25 diverzee wrote:
I have yet to come across a bigger forum on the internet without a post like this in it. They are always without exceptions made by the same kind of users, who are never actually a mod themselves. Their own posting history contains bland, 100% non-controversial posts without the slightest interesting content in them, and they pride themselves on always making sure the first letter in each sentence is capital. They have never themselves been close to even getting the slightest warning, despite acting experts on the matter.

Mods are just people who have a position where they help do cleanup. They are janitors. All this treating them with silk gloves, carefully stepping around them and as in these kinds of threads' case trying to suck up to them consolidates their artificial authority. It is good that mods exist, and it is good that people follow rules - but this submissiveness towards what could often be just a teenage boy, by an educated adult shows why internet communities and their heirarchys look so wrong.

People should respect moderators, but no more than they respect other users. Likewise mods should give proper respect back, like in a civilised community. Anything else is so medieval.

Lol if you don't believe people in a higher level of authority or status in a community should receive a different level of respect, then i don't quite understand how you function.

Teacher and Student: They both have respect for each other, but the student can never say or do things that a teacher can. This goes with so many other relationships in the world. It's funny that you feel that just because this community is an online one, the same social norms do not apply. If you see the moderators as just the "janitors" i don't see you lasting very long.

If it makes you think that i am the 'cool' kid like the one that gets an afterschool detention because he needs to look tough - i have been warned and banned from this community before. All of these occassions making me want to improve my posting habits so i can stick around longer.

What is even more funny are your implications; holy batman i am not a moderator and therefore why should i care about this place!? It is that kind of thinking - specifically YOUR kind of thinking - that results in forums turning into a sesspool of arrogant, ignorant flame artists. TL.net has strict guidelines, and they are there for a very good reason. The same reasons that allow you to enjoy this community the way it is - it has always prided itself on quality control, thereby having a strong stance against terrible posters. As to my posting history; i have no idea how you were able to read through 4,700 posts so quickly, but then again - you see yourself as some sort of superman right?
Just because you like to write your posts with long sentences doesn't make you very special; look i am doing it right now! :O

As for the capital letters at the start of my sentences; believe it or not but this is the english language (omg did i miss a capital letter? I don't know!?) It is also one of the guidelines for posting on this website (not the capital letters specifically, but proper text as opposed to short hand.) Funnily enough your insulting my posting history with a mere 118 of your own; i hope one day you get a star next to your username so i can take this back, but walk the walk before you so willingly talk the talk.

This thread was meant to be helpful; but i guess you had to get it all out of your system i hope it helped in that way.
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
diverzee
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden992 Posts
May 16 2011 16:59 GMT
#64
On May 16 2011 22:08 bkrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 21:25 diverzee wrote:
I have yet to come across a bigger forum on the internet without a post like this in it. They are always without exceptions made by the same kind of users, who are never actually a mod themselves. Their own posting history contains bland, 100% non-controversial posts without the slightest interesting content in them, and they pride themselves on always making sure the first letter in each sentence is capital. They have never themselves been close to even getting the slightest warning, despite acting experts on the matter.

Mods are just people who have a position where they help do cleanup. They are janitors. All this treating them with silk gloves, carefully stepping around them and as in these kinds of threads' case trying to suck up to them consolidates their artificial authority. It is good that mods exist, and it is good that people follow rules - but this submissiveness towards what could often be just a teenage boy, by an educated adult shows why internet communities and their heirarchys look so wrong.

People should respect moderators, but no more than they respect other users. Likewise mods should give proper respect back, like in a civilised community. Anything else is so medieval.

Lol if you don't believe people in a higher level of authority or status in a community should receive a different level of respect, then i don't quite understand how you function.

Teacher and Student: They both have respect for each other, but the student can never say or do things that a teacher can. This goes with so many other relationships in the world. It's funny that you feel that just because this community is an online one, the same social norms do not apply. If you see the moderators as just the "janitors" i don't see you lasting very long.

If it makes you think that i am the 'cool' kid like the one that gets an afterschool detention because he needs to look tough - i have been warned and banned from this community before. All of these occassions making me want to improve my posting habits so i can stick around longer.

What is even more funny are your implications; holy batman i am not a moderator and therefore why should i care about this place!? It is that kind of thinking - specifically YOUR kind of thinking - that results in forums turning into a sesspool of arrogant, ignorant flame artists. TL.net has strict guidelines, and they are there for a very good reason. The same reasons that allow you to enjoy this community the way it is - it has always prided itself on quality control, thereby having a strong stance against terrible posters. As to my posting history; i have no idea how you were able to read through 4,700 posts so quickly, but then again - you see yourself as some sort of superman right?
Just because you like to write your posts with long sentences doesn't make you very special; look i am doing it right now! :O

As for the capital letters at the start of my sentences; believe it or not but this is the english language (omg did i miss a capital letter? I don't know!?) It is also one of the guidelines for posting on this website (not the capital letters specifically, but proper text as opposed to short hand.) Funnily enough your insulting my posting history with a mere 118 of your own; i hope one day you get a star next to your username so i can take this back, but walk the walk before you so willingly talk the talk.

This thread was meant to be helpful; but i guess you had to get it all out of your system i hope it helped in that way.


This isn't a school. Moderators aren't your teachers you need to suck up to in order to get good grades. If that's what you believe then your personality seems even more in accordance with what I imagined a non-mod posting a thread like this would be. Moderators are people like everyone else, who enjoy to have more responsibility and moderation rights. Other than that they are like us. They could very well be some high school drop out teenage kid, and some people still treat them as superior. Don't you see how humiliating it is to crawl before people as if they had more value than you?

Treat people with respect, but respect yourself too. Being a brownnoser and sucking up to people with artificial authority doesn't get you any rewards good enough to lose your dignity for.
Parting
diverzee
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden992 Posts
May 16 2011 17:04 GMT
#65
On May 16 2011 22:07 ComaDose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 21:25 diverzee wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I have yet to come across a bigger forum on the internet without a post like this in it. They are always without exceptions made by the same kind of users, who are never actually a mod themselves. Their own posting history contains bland, 100% non-controversial posts without the slightest interesting content in them, and they pride themselves on always making sure the first letter in each sentence is capital. They have never themselves been close to even getting the slightest warning, despite acting experts on the matter.

Mods are just people who have a position where they help do cleanup. They are janitors. All this treating them with silk gloves, carefully stepping around them and as in these kinds of threads' case trying to suck up to them consolidates their artificial authority. It is good that mods exist, and it is good that people follow rules - but this submissiveness towards what could often be just a teenage boy, by an educated adult shows why internet communities and their heirarchys look so wrong.

People should respect moderators, but no more than they respect other users. Likewise mods should give proper respect back, like in a civilized community. Anything else is so medieval.


Wouldn't it be nice if people respected other users? Utopian even. You wont find respected members of the community groveling at the moderators feet. Those members that do are akin to children seeing bad kids get in trouble and sucking up. The bad kids should be embarrassed. Regardless of age.
Artificial authority is not accurate. They have authority over your ability to post in these forums. No more no less. consequently all the rules are regarding this.
Imagine if i wrote "lawl great thread bro -_-" on my wiki at work?
You follow the rules of a website or you are no longer privileged to view it.
You sound like a child complaining about a student who is a "goody two shoes"


Look, what I am saying is "don't treat people as if they were of greater value than yourself if there is no reason to think they do". Goody two shoes people are good, and people being respectful to eachother important. But showing too much respect, or rather submission towards moderators is humiliating. They do their job, they took it upon themselves, but they're just peeps with a nerdy interest like the rest of us.
Parting
Belphegor13
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden19 Posts
May 16 2011 17:18 GMT
#66
I have been wondering where the famous automated ban list were at... Finally I know! Thanks!
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-16 18:08:41
May 16 2011 18:05 GMT
#67
On May 17 2011 02:04 diverzee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 22:07 ComaDose wrote:
On May 16 2011 21:25 diverzee wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I have yet to come across a bigger forum on the internet without a post like this in it. They are always without exceptions made by the same kind of users, who are never actually a mod themselves. Their own posting history contains bland, 100% non-controversial posts without the slightest interesting content in them, and they pride themselves on always making sure the first letter in each sentence is capital. They have never themselves been close to even getting the slightest warning, despite acting experts on the matter.

Mods are just people who have a position where they help do cleanup. They are janitors. All this treating them with silk gloves, carefully stepping around them and as in these kinds of threads' case trying to suck up to them consolidates their artificial authority. It is good that mods exist, and it is good that people follow rules - but this submissiveness towards what could often be just a teenage boy, by an educated adult shows why internet communities and their heirarchys look so wrong.

People should respect moderators, but no more than they respect other users. Likewise mods should give proper respect back, like in a civilized community. Anything else is so medieval.


Wouldn't it be nice if people respected other users? Utopian even. You wont find respected members of the community groveling at the moderators feet. Those members that do are akin to children seeing bad kids get in trouble and sucking up. The bad kids should be embarrassed. Regardless of age.
Artificial authority is not accurate. They have authority over your ability to post in these forums. No more no less. consequently all the rules are regarding this.
Imagine if i wrote "lawl great thread bro -_-" on my wiki at work?
You follow the rules of a website or you are no longer privileged to view it.
You sound like a child complaining about a student who is a "goody two shoes"


Look, what I am saying is "don't treat people as if they were of greater value than yourself if there is no reason to think they do". Goody two shoes people are good, and people being respectful to eachother important. But showing too much respect, or rather submission towards moderators is humiliating. They do their job, they took it upon themselves, but they're just peeps with a nerdy interest like the rest of us.


Agreed. All the people re quoting the celebrities and agreeing 100%, for pages of a thread after the comment is annoying to us, and probably the poster, but this OP has nothing to do with that. Several of the comments may. I agree that the sucking up is pretty humiliating and no more of a contributing post than something much more stupid. I like this OP because i like the old teamliquid and if everyone followed these rules it would not mean any more sucking up but much less stupidity.

EDIT: It really is like an infection many are bearing to coexist with. People don't know what they are getting into when they sign up and they should. This is their house.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
May 16 2011 22:29 GMT
#68
On May 17 2011 01:59 diverzee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 22:08 bkrow wrote:
On May 16 2011 21:25 diverzee wrote:
I have yet to come across a bigger forum on the internet without a post like this in it. They are always without exceptions made by the same kind of users, who are never actually a mod themselves. Their own posting history contains bland, 100% non-controversial posts without the slightest interesting content in them, and they pride themselves on always making sure the first letter in each sentence is capital. They have never themselves been close to even getting the slightest warning, despite acting experts on the matter.

Mods are just people who have a position where they help do cleanup. They are janitors. All this treating them with silk gloves, carefully stepping around them and as in these kinds of threads' case trying to suck up to them consolidates their artificial authority. It is good that mods exist, and it is good that people follow rules - but this submissiveness towards what could often be just a teenage boy, by an educated adult shows why internet communities and their heirarchys look so wrong.

People should respect moderators, but no more than they respect other users. Likewise mods should give proper respect back, like in a civilised community. Anything else is so medieval.

Lol if you don't believe people in a higher level of authority or status in a community should receive a different level of respect, then i don't quite understand how you function.

Teacher and Student: They both have respect for each other, but the student can never say or do things that a teacher can. This goes with so many other relationships in the world. It's funny that you feel that just because this community is an online one, the same social norms do not apply. If you see the moderators as just the "janitors" i don't see you lasting very long.

If it makes you think that i am the 'cool' kid like the one that gets an afterschool detention because he needs to look tough - i have been warned and banned from this community before. All of these occassions making me want to improve my posting habits so i can stick around longer.

What is even more funny are your implications; holy batman i am not a moderator and therefore why should i care about this place!? It is that kind of thinking - specifically YOUR kind of thinking - that results in forums turning into a sesspool of arrogant, ignorant flame artists. TL.net has strict guidelines, and they are there for a very good reason. The same reasons that allow you to enjoy this community the way it is - it has always prided itself on quality control, thereby having a strong stance against terrible posters. As to my posting history; i have no idea how you were able to read through 4,700 posts so quickly, but then again - you see yourself as some sort of superman right?
Just because you like to write your posts with long sentences doesn't make you very special; look i am doing it right now! :O

As for the capital letters at the start of my sentences; believe it or not but this is the english language (omg did i miss a capital letter? I don't know!?) It is also one of the guidelines for posting on this website (not the capital letters specifically, but proper text as opposed to short hand.) Funnily enough your insulting my posting history with a mere 118 of your own; i hope one day you get a star next to your username so i can take this back, but walk the walk before you so willingly talk the talk.

This thread was meant to be helpful; but i guess you had to get it all out of your system i hope it helped in that way.


This isn't a school. Moderators aren't your teachers you need to suck up to in order to get good grades. If that's what you believe then your personality seems even more in accordance with what I imagined a non-mod posting a thread like this would be. Moderators are people like everyone else, who enjoy to have more responsibility and moderation rights. Other than that they are like us. They could very well be some high school drop out teenage kid, and some people still treat them as superior. Don't you see how humiliating it is to crawl before people as if they had more value than you?

Treat people with respect, but respect yourself too. Being a brownnoser and sucking up to people with artificial authority doesn't get you any rewards good enough to lose your dignity for.

You are obviously struggling with the concept of explanations by analogy; it isn't about getting grades - it's about respect. It isn't about sucking up, it is about respecting the people that spend hours making sure this site continues to exist - it seems you missed that lesson growing up.

I seriously cannot comprehend why you can't take this thread exactly for what it is - a helpful guide for new users to avoid getting bans or warnings that may not be so obvious. It has nothing to do with sucking up, nothing to do with praising the moderation staff and everything to do with sticking around in this community. It was meant to be helpful, not 'brown-nosing' as you put it. But thank you for successfully derailing

But you go ahead and judge from a distance; i suppose you would rather complain about something than provide a solution to it? Again - this is meant to help new users, not make anyone feel any better about themselves.
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
TemplarCo.
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-16 23:29:58
May 16 2011 23:28 GMT
#69
I think this should be linked or have some related with the TL 10 Commandments so that new people know this, this is very useful, Thanks!!
With an average game length of 7m36s over his 6 games in GSL3, this is a no-brainer. BitByBit pulls more SCVs than yo momma at a club on Mar Sara. ♞
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
May 17 2011 04:02 GMT
#70
Don't ever insult your fellow teamliquid users! Don't post image macro's! Don't post terrible one liner posts which are only a couple words long! After just coming off a 30 day ban, I make a promise to you teamliquid. I will endeavor to use correct grammar and correct posting habits for the rest of my teamliquid life.
shindigs
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4795 Posts
May 17 2011 04:08 GMT
#71
I don't see how anyone can find these rules "harsh". Anytime someone complains about a ban on TL on another site, their post is actually something horrible like "this player was a cheesy faggot" or "fuck xx and yy" or something not worth anything.

It's not a freedom of speech issue. It's a don't be a dickwad issue. I think it's a waste of time to argue with people who refuse to drop that issue.
Photographer@shindags || twitch.tv/shindigs
Pope
Profile Joined May 2011
Vatican City State53 Posts
May 17 2011 05:37 GMT
#72
On May 16 2011 21:25 diverzee wrote:
I have yet to come across a bigger forum on the internet without a post like this in it. They are always without exceptions made by the same kind of users, who are never actually a mod themselves. Their own posting history contains bland, 100% non-controversial posts without the slightest interesting content in them, and they pride themselves on always making sure the first letter in each sentence is capital. They have never themselves been close to even getting the slightest warning, despite acting experts on the matter.

Mods are just people who have a position where they help do cleanup. They are janitors. All this treating them with silk gloves, carefully stepping around them and as in these kinds of threads' case trying to suck up to them consolidates their artificial authority. It is good that mods exist, and it is good that people follow rules - but this submissiveness towards what could often be just a teenage boy, by an educated adult shows why internet communities and their heirarchys look so wrong.

People should respect moderators, but no more than they respect other users. Likewise mods should give proper respect back, like in a civilised community. Anything else is so medieval.

Please expand on this and start a new post for discussion (General Forum maybe), o blog it. This is an excellent idea.

Great post bkrow, good for starters
Vansetsu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1454 Posts
May 17 2011 08:58 GMT
#73
Definatley a great post for new users. I remembered getting temp banned for martyring when Slayers won the GSTL haha...

On topic, I always thought that events should have an LR thread and a separate thread for people wanting to talk about the event. In the rare case an event won't stream for me or I miss it, it always seems far too much work to look through the clutter in the LR to actually get a good idea of what happened. Just a thought.
Only by overcoming many obstacles does a river become - デイヴィ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ド
GiggleFairy
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia331 Posts
May 17 2011 11:00 GMT
#74
The section about the LR threads is a BIG issue for me. As someone not in a convienent time zone for events such as TSL, NASL, IPL, etc. I utilise the LR threads. As I am usually bored at work so I just sit on TL all day. But time and time again I get frustrated over the fact that I am so unaware with what is happening in the game, as all i can seem to read is people saying "i hate "x" caster' or 'Stream lag blah blah..'. This makes me very frustrated. As i often find myself trawling through the constant BS complaints then see a comment like 'IdrA pushing out with, 20 roaches, Kiwikaki looks dead' (example only) and yet i had NO idea that the game had started!!
Just on a side note, bkrow, I am always happier when i see you posting in the LR threads, as you keep me well informed, so i find myself only reading your comments
Great blog!!
FoBuLouS
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States570 Posts
May 17 2011 19:09 GMT
#75
Also, mentions the Youtube Thread. I got my thread closed once because I was just showing a Youtube video and a short description.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
May 17 2011 19:39 GMT
#76
Man, times have changed so much. I remember the times when OPs used to be fucking garbage and everyone loved it. One liners and trash all over the forums, but everyone was fine with it. Now, there's just so many people here that it's not remotely possible.

I sometimes wonder to myself, if I were to have registered today, how long would I last before I got banned?
God Bless
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
May 17 2011 19:59 GMT
#77
On May 18 2011 04:39 Roffles wrote:
Man, times have changed so much. I remember the times when OPs used to be fucking garbage and everyone loved it. One liners and trash all over the forums, but everyone was fine with it. Now, there's just so many people here that it's not remotely possible.

I sometimes wonder to myself, if I were to have registered today, how long would I last before I got banned?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=45486
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=43252
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=77421
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=46991
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
May 18 2011 08:30 GMT
#78
Sticky this to the commanments thread imo. its just one "how to thrive and not get banned " guide basically.

good stuff for them new users :D
In the woods, there lurks..
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
May 18 2011 14:01 GMT
#79
This is why I'm proud to be a part of teamliquid.net and why it's the best place to be.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Kinetik_Inferno
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1431 Posts
May 18 2011 16:15 GMT
#80
The worst thing is that new users, for some reason, naturally see this site as this:
[image loading]
And on the Bnet forums, among other places, they let you ask dumb questions. Stupid, stupid, stupid. People can't use the search function on said website to find a similar question? Why not? Do you need to make your own personal thread that everyone is focused on the op?

:r

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