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한글 (Hangul), the next lesson - Page 2

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JiSu
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)140 Posts
April 29 2011 16:33 GMT
#21
On April 29 2011 18:58 StutteR wrote:
Wouldn't ㅈ be more of J sound and ㄱbe more of a g sound? I know that ㅈis used for gg but thats only based on the sound of gg which is a j sound like in gentrification rather than grape.

ㄱ sounds more like K sound. 키키 would sound like kiki, which is like the Korean laugh..
지지 is "chi chi" so it sounds like GG. Actually I don't think there's G sound in Korean.. When ppl translate it to English they make it look like g but it's a K sound.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
April 29 2011 16:42 GMT
#22
Thank you for this :D I am learning basic hangul via your lessons, so I hope you keep doing these!
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25986 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-29 16:56:36
April 29 2011 16:55 GMT
#23
On April 30 2011 01:33 JiSu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2011 18:58 StutteR wrote:
Wouldn't ㅈ be more of J sound and ㄱbe more of a g sound? I know that ㅈis used for gg but thats only based on the sound of gg which is a j sound like in gentrification rather than grape.

ㄱ sounds more like K sound. 키키 would sound like kiki, which is like the Korean laugh..
지지 is "chi chi" so it sounds like GG. Actually I don't think there's G sound in Korean.. When ppl translate it to English they make it look like g but it's a K sound.

Just FYI this is a follow-up to your comment for people reading. It's not like I'm correcting a native speaker.

You have to realize that Gee Gee is written with 'Gs' but the pronounciation is actually Jee Jee. That's why it's written as 지지 = ㅈㅈ.

ㄱ = sometimes G/K
ㅋ = always K

I think there's a subtle difference between ㄱ being G and K depending on the word. It's complicated enough that I can't write it. You just need to experience the difference in sounds to be honest.

My thoughts:
빨리 가 = bballi ga BUT 가지마 = kajima -_-
갈비 = galbi or kalbi. 강남 = gangnam or kangnam. O_o
그는 always = ke neun. Korean is dumb.

When people write kekekeke (ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ) they usually mean 크크크크 which is "keu keu keu keu", kind of a muted laugh. It's usually not 키키키키 "ki ki ki ki", an evil-sounding asian laugh. I was shocked when I learned that. I always read kkkkk and kekekeke as "ki ki ki ki ki"
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
April 29 2011 17:18 GMT
#24
Why is it that we translate ㅇㅣ as Lee when it's pronounced ee, and Lee would be ㄹㅣ?
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youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-29 17:34:36
April 29 2011 17:29 GMT
#25
Because Korean romanisation of names is ridiculously stupid and complicated. Also I believe it has something to do with the North Korean version of 이 being something closer to the actual pronunciation of Lee.

Also, ㄱ is in between G and K, I wouldn't say either one, but ㅋ is definitely a hard K (unless used at the bottom of the character blocks).
lalala
StutteR
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1903 Posts
April 29 2011 17:30 GMT
#26
same reason chae is written as choi or jeong as chung or jun as chun. that reason is i have no fucking clue lol.
`~` | effOrt Movie sKyHigh forever & SEn
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25986 Posts
April 29 2011 17:42 GMT
#27
On April 30 2011 02:18 Chef wrote:
Why is it that we translate ㅇㅣ as Lee when it's pronounced ee, and Lee would be ㄹㅣ?

Imagine if someone's last name was Ee or I. Western people would have no idea what to do with that. Same with Im or Eem. Same with Oo.

I think the reason actually isn't important though, just know that Lee = 이 etc.

Choi is really fucked up though. Since ㅊ = Ch, ㅗ = O, ㅣ= I, someone just jammed them together to make 최 = Choi. Great in theory, except that Choi is pronounced like "Choy" while 최 is pronounced like Chwae.

Korean and English separated are dumb, but when you try to translate between then and go to Konglish and Romanization, it reaches a new level of dumb. Just accept it.
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heartbeat.sc2
Profile Joined November 2010
United States25 Posts
April 29 2011 19:19 GMT
#28
These are really fun :D

Question; Why is "ring" written as 링? (I wrote ㄹㅣ ㅇ) Maybe syllables or is this beyond my 2 lessons knowledge.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
April 29 2011 19:41 GMT
#29
Each 'block' of characters is one syllable, hence ring is written in one of those blocks.
lalala
emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
April 29 2011 19:42 GMT
#30
On April 30 2011 01:07 Chill wrote:
Nice lesson

On ㄹ = R or L, I've empyrically found the following:

If it's the first letter, it's 'R' -> 란 = Ran, 다른 = Da-reun
If it's the last letter, it's 'L' -> 날 = Nal, 달콘하다 = Dal-kon-ha-da
If they are back-to-back, then both change to 'Ls' -> 헬로 = Hel-lo, 필로 = Pil-lo (These aren't actual words, I just made up Konglish

Maybe not 100% accurate, but that should get you through 90% of situations where you wonder if you pronounce it as an R or L.


This is exactly how it was explained in the online material i found, quite a simple concept once you have grasped the initial quandary ;p

학존! 휘턍!

hopefully that said Hangul! and Hwaiting! I'm having trouble figuring out how to type in korean lol
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-29 19:46:46
April 29 2011 19:45 GMT
#31
On April 30 2011 04:42 emythrel wrote:
학존! 휘턍!

hopefully that said Hangul! and Hwaiting! I'm having trouble figuring out how to type in korean lol

That said Hak-jorn and Hwee-Twang
lalala
emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
April 29 2011 19:48 GMT
#32
On April 30 2011 04:19 heartbeat.sc2 wrote:
These are really fun :D

Question; Why is "ring" written as 링? (I wrote ㄹㅣ ㅇ) Maybe syllables or is this beyond my 2 lessons knowledge.


In korean they block into syllables, 링 is like that because in hangul syllables always go consonant, vowel consonant. Vowels with a vertical line like ㅏ always go to the right of the first consonant, vowels with a horizontal line such as ㅜ always go below the first consonant.
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
April 29 2011 19:52 GMT
#33
On April 30 2011 04:45 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 04:42 emythrel wrote:
학존! 휘턍!

hopefully that said Hangul! and Hwaiting! I'm having trouble figuring out how to type in korean lol

That said Hak-jorn and Hwee-Twang


like i said.... typing in korean is tricky on an english keyboard.... gonna have to get used to it. I see where i went wrong with hangul..... 한글 gah!
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
onlinerobbe
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany547 Posts
April 29 2011 20:27 GMT
#34
On April 30 2011 04:19 heartbeat.sc2 wrote:
These are really fun :D

Question; Why is "ring" written as 링? (I wrote ㄹㅣ ㅇ) Maybe syllables or is this beyond my 2 lessons knowledge.


maybe just start typing some stuff on your pc, like korean names from korean pros
or for instance those 3 letters you have there, you'll see what your pc is doing to it automatically
it was fun for me at least
ohayo- on afk-op teamliquid | tuturuuuu! mayushi desu - 유인나, 이지은 사랑 (멍 지효 <3 )
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25986 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-29 21:04:28
April 29 2011 21:02 GMT
#35
On April 30 2011 04:45 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 04:42 emythrel wrote:
학존! 휘턍!

hopefully that said Hangul! and Hwaiting! I'm having trouble figuring out how to type in korean lol

That said Hak-jorn and Hwee-Twang

Haha so cute ^__^

It said hakjon and hweetyang
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25986 Posts
April 29 2011 21:03 GMT
#36
On April 30 2011 05:27 onlinerobbe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 04:19 heartbeat.sc2 wrote:
These are really fun :D

Question; Why is "ring" written as 링? (I wrote ㄹㅣ ㅇ) Maybe syllables or is this beyond my 2 lessons knowledge.


maybe just start typing some stuff on your pc, like korean names from korean pros
or for instance those 3 letters you have there, you'll see what your pc is doing to it automatically
it was fun for me at least

This is how I learned to type korean:

1. Go to TLPD.
2. Pick a player and read his English name.
3. Try to type the name in Korean.
4. Check it and figure out why you got it wrong.

It's fun
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mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
April 29 2011 21:49 GMT
#37
I'm glad you're all enjoying this. ^^
ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
I find some of the names are really confusing, but it's a good practice idea.
Team names and map names are good places to practice as well. :D
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
onlinerobbe
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany547 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-29 22:24:45
April 29 2011 22:24 GMT
#38
On April 30 2011 06:03 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 05:27 onlinerobbe wrote:
On April 30 2011 04:19 heartbeat.sc2 wrote:
These are really fun :D

Question; Why is "ring" written as 링? (I wrote ㄹㅣ ㅇ) Maybe syllables or is this beyond my 2 lessons knowledge.


maybe just start typing some stuff on your pc, like korean names from korean pros
or for instance those 3 letters you have there, you'll see what your pc is doing to it automatically
it was fun for me at least

This is how I learned to type korean:

1. Go to TLPD.
2. Pick a player and read his English name.
3. Try to type the name in Korean.
4. Check it and figure out why you got it wrong.

It's fun


yeah exactly ! :D that's where I learned that almost all "-ung" names (lee young ho, blabla sung all those) are actually written like
영 so.. "-eong" .
If you say it out loud it makes sense (at least for me) but if you try to write it from the romanization
you get it wrong almost everytime when you start out doing it ^^

plus: the "woo" names are not easy as well
ohayo- on afk-op teamliquid | tuturuuuu! mayushi desu - 유인나, 이지은 사랑 (멍 지효 <3 )
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-29 22:27:53
April 29 2011 22:25 GMT
#39
On April 30 2011 06:02 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 04:45 youngminii wrote:
On April 30 2011 04:42 emythrel wrote:
학존! 휘턍!

hopefully that said Hangul! and Hwaiting! I'm having trouble figuring out how to type in korean lol

That said Hak-jorn and Hwee-Twang

Haha so cute ^__^

It said hakjon and hweetyang

I say jorn because jon sounds more like 전 to a foreigner and the twang was MY BAD (typo)

Kim Lee Park = 김 이 박 = the family names of about half of Korea.

Off the top of my head there's also Choi (최) Lim (임) Jeong (정) Kang (강) Nam (남) Ko (고)
Chances are, if you have a Korean friend, their surname will fall into one of those.

oh i forgot Cho (조) which is mine :D

btw CHO AND CHOI SOUND NOTHING ALIKE*

*19 years of experience suggests most westerners think otherwise
lalala
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
April 29 2011 22:40 GMT
#40
On April 30 2011 07:25 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 06:02 Chill wrote:
On April 30 2011 04:45 youngminii wrote:
On April 30 2011 04:42 emythrel wrote:
학존! 휘턍!

hopefully that said Hangul! and Hwaiting! I'm having trouble figuring out how to type in korean lol

That said Hak-jorn and Hwee-Twang

Haha so cute ^__^

It said hakjon and hweetyang

I say jorn because jon sounds more like 전 to a foreigner and the twang was MY BAD (typo)

Kim Lee Park = 김 이 박 = the family names of about half of Korea.

Off the top of my head there's also Choi (최) Lim (임) Jeong (정) Kang (강) Nam (남) Ko (고)
Chances are, if you have a Korean friend, their surname will fall into one of those.

oh i forgot Cho (조) which is mine :D

btw CHO AND CHOI SOUND NOTHING ALIKE*

*19 years of experience suggests most westerners think otherwise


Would you say that I should take the time to learn the stroke order for each letter?
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
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