• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 22:40
CEST 04:40
KST 11:40
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting7[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 6-12): Four star herO65.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)79Weekly Cups (Sept 29-Oct 5): MaxPax triples up3PartinG joins SteamerZone, returns to SC2 competition325.0.15 Balance Patch Notes (Live version)119
StarCraft 2
General
Revisiting the game after10 years and wow it's bad 5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8) TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting How to Block Australia, Brazil, Singapore Servers The New Patch Killed Mech!
Tourneys
SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment Mutation # 493 Quick Killers Mutation # 492 Get Out More
Brood War
General
Question regarding recent ASL Bisu vs Larva game BW General Discussion [Interview] Grrrr... 2024 BW caster Sayle Map with fog of war removed for one player?
Tourneys
[ASL20] Semifinal B [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Semifinal A SC4ALL $1,500 Open Bracket LAN
Strategy
Relatively freeroll strategies Current Meta BW - ajfirecracker Strategy & Training Siegecraft - a new perspective
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640} TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Men's Fashion Thread Sex and weight loss
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Series you have seen recently... Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Inbreeding: Why Do We Do It…
Peanutsc
From Tilt to Ragequit:The Ps…
TrAiDoS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1161 users

The Zero-Sum Game [BW]

Blogs > bearbuddy
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 08:41:27
April 14 2011 01:55 GMT
#1
The Zero-Sum Game

Disclaimer: This is not an actual analysis, but a telling of a hero in a tragicomedy manner.


With a play style reminiscent of management zergs in their heyday, Zero appears to be an anachronism in the individual leagues. After all, zerg champions are donned by impeccable mutalisk micros in swarm seasons and not by scaling metal walls in the impenetrable terran maps. Zero suffers from being good, but not good enough, to compete for a championship in his respective matchups. His furthest runs in the individual leagues are both stopped in the semifinals—both of which ended with ZvZ, and both of those leagues ended with zerg champions. While blamed for his inconsistency, Zero is strangely consistent if we don’t look at his opponents— he is good with ZvP, bad in ace games, and always hovering around the .500 line in his ZvZ. As for ZvT, with the exception of Lee Jaedong, there is no current zerg that is consistently decent against terran. It’s the nature of the matchup; there are too many timing windows that terrans can simply overwhelm zergs. Currently, Calm has the third highest ZvT Elo behind Zero and Jaedong— Yikes!

[image loading]

Zero, like the qtpies in comics, is dangerous because of his innocent exterior.


It is altogether quite ironic that Zero started getting noticed by his muta micro… if he could get to that point in a ZvZ. In his breakout run during the Lost Saga MSL, he was touted as having one of the most sublime muta micro in that time. He climbed over the “Bisu group” in ro32 with 3 zergs, jumped over Fake Yellow in ro16, and stopped Savior’s comeback (much to Savior’s fandom’s dismay) in the ro8. However, Zero has come to the .500 mark in his ZvZ after the series with Savior. After going above the .500 line in his next victory over Roro in WL, karma’s in the work, and Zero promptly gets wrecked by zergs in his next few matchups, including Luxury in the semi.
If there is a Luxury Chaos Theory, then there is a Zero-Sum Game. For every win as a +1, there is a loss as a -1. Zero’s sum will return to zero, but crossing over into positive territory is bad karma. Any time he goes above .500, there will be a great resistance. In the case of PDPop MSL, the resistance came in the form of Great. At a miraculous 3 games above the .500 mark after his victory over Soulkey, Zero crashed and burned and is knocked down to a game below .500 after losing to Great. Even if Zero manages to pass Great, he will be at an even greater deviation from the zero sum, and will get destroyed by Hydra in the final. This is, unfortunately, how the universe operates—a swarm season involves long strings of ZvZ to get to the final.

[image loading]

ZvZ doesn’t stand for Zero vs Zerg.


What does this mean for Zero? Woongjin Stars are in a precarious position and need to make a climb up the standings, so Zero can’t exactly borrow losses from Proleague. His very first game in the ABC MSL will be against a zerg. If he were to win that match, he would be left at the -1 mark. At the very best, that allows him to win one boX before breaking even in the zero-sum game. However, the season is looking to be anything but a swarm season, with the introduction of Monte Cristo. Jaedong is stuck in the group of death, Hydra is locked in battle with an invisible force, and many other zergs are threatened by the existence of terrans crowding the league. If Zero is to win, it would be through the ridiculous late game management that dominated the game a long time ago. Rarely has Zero been eliminated by ZvT in a boX series. This is the time for the test.

[image loading]

Kaboom, Fuck Yeah Zero.


This may be the ABC MSL, but the last laugh will be had by Zero.


P.S. the first pic, as the stamp suggests, is from Fomos. The last one is an image macro by Realpenguin, as I'm sure many of you know.

I'm leaving this in blog because I might do some for other Stars players, once their slump ends.

****
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
April 14 2011 03:00 GMT
#2
this message is endorsed by swanized
Writer
kdgns
Profile Joined May 2009
United States2427 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 09:08:40
April 14 2011 09:06 GMT
#3
Thats a pretty awesome summary of (Z)ZerO's history. It (T)Really brings a lot of things to (T)Light, its sad to see how he can be (P)Flying high one day and (P)free falling the next.


.....(Z)soulkey and (P)GuemChi
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9517 Posts
April 14 2011 09:28 GMT
#4
haha awesome writeup!
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
April 15 2011 01:36 GMT
#5
And of course, I jinxed it by saying that Hydra would have a tough time with light.
-_-
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33457 Posts
April 15 2011 02:00 GMT
#6
Unusually unlucky is Zero... he coulda been a Chojja in another day and age
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
April 15 2011 05:55 GMT
#7
On April 14 2011 18:06 kdgns wrote:
Thats a pretty awesome summary of (Z)ZerO's history. It (T)Really brings a lot of things to (T)Light, its sad to see how he can be (P)Flying high one day and (P)free falling the next.


.....(Z)soulkey and (P)GuemChi

Starcraft is Zero's Soulkey and he eats GuemChi every day?
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
April 21 2011 20:41 GMT
#8
Goddammit, someone tell me how Zero managed to draw Hero when there's 3 tosses in Hero's group.

Zero's currently at -1 with his win over Hyun, so the best scenario against hero would be a LWW so that he doesn't touch the .500 line until after the last game is finished.

On April 15 2011 14:55 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 18:06 kdgns wrote:
Thats a pretty awesome summary of (Z)ZerO's history. It (T)Really brings a lot of things to (T)Light, its sad to see how he can be (P)Flying high one day and (P)free falling the next.


.....(Z)soulkey and (P)GuemChi

Starcraft is Zero's Soulkey and he eats GuemChi every day?


Zero is not a spinach bonjwa or a a neo.g.bonjwa, but a qtpie bonjwa?
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
April 21 2011 20:50 GMT
#9
I love ZerO, I hope he can get over the hump and make a SL finals!
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
April 21 2011 20:55 GMT
#10
On April 15 2011 11:00 Waxangel wrote:
Unusually unlucky is Zero... he coulda been a Chojja in another day and age



oh man so true

<3 Zero, awesome post.

(Calm is good ok nothing wrong with Calm having third ZvT >_>)
TranslatorBaa!
soujiro_
Profile Joined June 2010
Uruguay5195 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 00:02:02
April 22 2011 00:01 GMT
#11
cool article, you should write something about light :p
ace hwaiting!!
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
April 22 2011 00:52 GMT
#12
lol, didn't expect this to be about zero. good one!
Brood War loyalist
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
April 22 2011 03:54 GMT
#13
On April 22 2011 09:01 soujiro_ wrote:
cool article, you should write something about light :p


True to his nickname, light kinda flew under my radar for a long time. Though, to be fair, he has just recently transferred to stars. I don't really know much about him other than common knowledge, and the furthest back I can remember him was with his hair dyed. I'm sure any MBC fan would do a better job than me.

On April 22 2011 05:55 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
(Calm is good ok nothing wrong with Calm having third ZvT >_>)


Hahaha. Sorry. It leaves a deeper impression than saying Roro has the 4th highest ZvT Elo (at that time).
Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
April 22 2011 03:59 GMT
#14
You're a pretty good writer. Enjoyed the article
"What does Rivington do when he's not commentating?" "Drool." ~ Categorist
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
April 22 2011 04:25 GMT
#15
I noticed how lacking in ZvT specialists we are... the same is true for PvZ and TvP as well although to a lesser extent.
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 18:16:06
May 07 2011 18:15 GMT
#16
I suppose it's karma for making fun of calm, but we get Zero vs Calm quarter-final. Whoever wins this will most likely face Jaedong. I'm not holding my breath.

Just a small update. Zero did indeed maintain a game below .500 by dropping all his zvz in round 5 of proleague so far (lol). Maybe he can drop a bit more <.<
JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
May 07 2011 18:39 GMT
#17
ZvZ doesn’t stand for Zero vs Zerg

haha

But it is sad how ZerO's ZvZ is...

He did say + Show Spoiler +
in his post game interview after the MSL RO16 that he doesn't think his ZvZ is bad in particular...

"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
k.taeyang
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Peru145 Posts
May 29 2011 02:57 GMT
#18
Haha this thread is quiet ironic
노력은 절대 배신 하지 않다 - 이제동 Hardwork never betrays - Lee Jae Dong
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
May 29 2011 03:02 GMT
#19
Hahaha, this is very good. So sad I missed this before.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
ZoW
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3983 Posts
May 29 2011 03:53 GMT
#20
Seeing that picture made me miss realpenguin
the courage to be a lazy bum
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 8h 20m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 124
Nathanias 95
Nina 44
StarCraft: Brood War
Noble 25
Icarus 3
Dota 2
monkeys_forever437
League of Legends
JimRising 576
Counter-Strike
fl0m1298
Stewie2K411
PGG 335
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox261
Other Games
summit1g9124
gofns3520
PiGStarcraft313
C9.Mang0283
Maynarde133
Models2
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick5565
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 90
• Berry_CruncH2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV502
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
8h 20m
CranKy Ducklings
1d 7h
Safe House 2
1d 14h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Safe House 2
2 days
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS2
WardiTV TLMC #15
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
EC S1
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Offline Finals
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
CranK Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.