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Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-13 04:01:49
April 13 2011 03:54 GMT
#1
Some of you may remember my semi DoB blog from last season. (I never ended up getting out of platinum)

Well, this season, I have something different in mind.

First of all, I want to try all the races this season, not just zerg.

But I want to do it in a special way. My intention this season is to learn from my opponents. So say I play a zvt, and the terran had a really good build/strategy. I will dissect the replay, and that build/strategy will be added to my tvz repertoire. I feel like this is good in a couple of ways.

1. It sounds like it will be a lot of fun.

2. I will be, hopefully, diversifying my play quite a bit, both by adding races, and by adopting borrowed strategies and builds.

3. I will finally know what it feels like to play one of the OP races.

However, there are a few ways I can go about this, and I don't really know which one to pick. That is where this blog comes in. I want some feedback.

Option1: I could just play random.

Option2: I could play one race for X games, the next race for X games, the final race for X games, and then repeat.

I can see pluses and minuses for each option. Option 2 would be easier in terms of data gathering, but if I'm really bad at terran and really good at zerg or something like that there might be awkward transitional periods when I switch races.

Poll: Which option?

Rotation (8)
 
53%

Random (7)
 
47%

15 total votes

Your vote: Which option?

(Vote): Random
(Vote): Rotation



Not only would I like you guys to vote in the polls, but also post your thoughts. I am currently leaning towards option 2 but I could easily be persuaded to go with option 1. Also, if option 2, how many games should I spend on each race before rotating?

Poll: Games per rotation?

5/5/5 (6)
 
60%

10/10/10 (2)
 
20%

15/15/15 (2)
 
20%

20/20/20 (0)
 
0%

other? (0)
 
0%

10 total votes

Your vote: Games per rotation?

(Vote): 5/5/5
(Vote): 10/10/10
(Vote): 15/15/15
(Vote): 20/20/20
(Vote): other?



Also, I will be continuing this blog to follow this. If option 2 and the rotational periods are long enough, I will just make a new post each rotation, otherwise, idk how often I will update...thoughts?

Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
April 13 2011 03:59 GMT
#2
Also if you guys have any requests for things you would like me to keep track of for my updates just let me know. And if you aren't interested or whatever sorry for wasting your time.
Shron
Profile Joined March 2010
United States162 Posts
April 13 2011 04:16 GMT
#3
I think what you should do is this:

Play Terran first. If the matchup is a TvP and you win, keep playing as Terran. If you lose, switch to Protoss for the next game, doing the strategy he did to beat you, if you thought it was a good one. If you win, keep playing. If you lose, switch off and try to repeat.

The only problems I can see with that are:

1) you will be playing Terran less than Zerg, and Protoss the most. It won't be even distribution because I think the ladders right now are about 25/30/35/10 TZPR,

2) there will be too small of a wait between switching, so you may not have time to "settle down" into one race. Of course, this is still better than just flat out playing random, for this matter.

Be sure to tell us your thoughts about everything when you're done! It'd be cool to show us your winrate percentages, which race you find the easiest, ways you feel the races playstlyes fundamentally differ, what strategies seem the most OP from each of the races in each matchup, any strategy that you haven't found a good response to by anyone yet, etc.
"I produced a lot of units and was given this award. I didn't know I produced so many units. Next season I will produce more units." - Nestea
kOre
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada3642 Posts
April 13 2011 04:52 GMT
#4
I would say ... play a race until you hit the next race. For example,

You Random at first and you get TvZ. You finish the game and then you play as Z because your opponent was Z. Your second game is a ZvP. This means your third game will be as Protoss. You now play a PvP which means your fourth game will be as a Protoss. Start as random at the beginning of each day ^^

Hope the games go well! Would love to see how you do.
http://www.starcraftmecca.net - Founder
Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
April 13 2011 05:03 GMT
#5
Hmm, I will have more thorough responses to both of you later, but before I do I have a general question for any randomers out there.

How do you keep your hotkeys in order?

From playing against the computer/playing as random for fun with my friends in 3v3, I've noticed that I have drastically different hotkey setups for each race. Which is fine because I have never really taken terran or protoss seriously, so if I had mishotkeys or whatever it was nbd. But if I start playing all 3 races seriously now, I kind of want to play games in groups as the same race to help me keep my hotkeys in order. (so like, at the beginning of each day, play a couple games against the a.i. with the race I will be using that day to get into the swing of things)
Hakairyu
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore53 Posts
April 13 2011 05:56 GMT
#6
I personally random (I don't play that much though, work is taking up almost all my time >_<) and use Grid hotkey setup. It makes it kind of easy so long as you remember where each object is in the grid.

I would go with Shron's suggestion with the races, since that would be what I would do as well.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
September 07 2011 05:01 GMT
#7
wow this blog is awesome!
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
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