• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:17
CEST 12:17
KST 19:17
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 20257Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202576RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18
Community News
Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced21BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed19Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8
StarCraft 2
General
Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 2025 #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time I offer completely free coaching services Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 What tournaments are world championships?
Tourneys
FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event Esports World Cup 2025 $25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced $5,000 WardiTV Summer Championship 2025 WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava
Brood War
General
[Update] ShieldBattery: 2025 Redesign Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced Dewalt's Show Matches in China BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China CSL Xiamen International Invitational [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers [G] Mineral Boosting Does 1 second matter in StarCraft?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Eight Anniversary as a TL…
Mizenhauer
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 721 users

The Suggy Style

Blogs > FODDER~
Post a Reply
FODDER~
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States109 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-22 20:44:49
March 22 2011 20:41 GMT
#1
If any of you know of Suggy, you probably know about his live-commentary episodes of ladder games for an online series called the Starcraft Connection. What he does is say on the spot why he is doing what he does, what went wrong, what went right, etc.

But there is something I noticed:

Suggy absolutely never has a game plan ever, if anything he just asks his friends over at his house for what they want to see him do. And they often just give vague descriptions like, "Carriers!".

Suggy literally has no expectations or game plan ever going into a game ever. And I noticed he also loves cheese. Whenever he sneaks a probe in his opponents base and it goes undetected he will always go with a 4 gate opening. Always.

It just seems like Suggy plays absolutely random and completely wings every game off of game sense and experience with no idea of what he wants to do beforehand. So should I just try to drop learning standard openings altogether and just try to wing every single ladder game with no game plan and do things off of whim and spontaneous tendencies? Will I improve the fastest that way? Is that the way to play?

And Suggy, thanks for giving back to the community completely free of charge. There are a lot of grateful players out there that appreciate what you are doing (even if not enough of them give you the thanks to show it) so please keep it going and thanks again! It's a real shame Starcraft Connection doesn't get as much support as Day9 does.

I am a Diamond league Protoss player in need of any form of help that can be given. If you believe you can help please contact me. I really want to improve more than anything and just need a form of guidance and small push in the truely right direction.
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
March 22 2011 20:43 GMT
#2
No, having a plan is almost always better than making it up as you go.
FODDER~
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States109 Posts
March 22 2011 20:45 GMT
#3

SnowFantasy:

No, having a plan is almost always better than making it up as you go.


Then why does Suggy prefer not having one? What does he see that we don't?
I am a Diamond league Protoss player in need of any form of help that can be given. If you believe you can help please contact me. I really want to improve more than anything and just need a form of guidance and small push in the truely right direction.
Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
March 22 2011 20:45 GMT
#4
That's not the best way to learn the game, it's the worst.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=78677

Read. Also read Ver's How To improve.
(╬ ಠ益ಠ)
FODDER~
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States109 Posts
March 22 2011 20:55 GMT
#5

Turgid:

That's not the best way to learn the game, it's the worst.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=78677

Read. Also read Ver's How To improve.


I downloaded and am reading the guide however I am not so certain how much I will even be able to learn from this since I am Protoss and this is not for Starcraft 2 but thanks a lot anyways. I'll see if I can find anything useful from it.
I am a Diamond league Protoss player in need of any form of help that can be given. If you believe you can help please contact me. I really want to improve more than anything and just need a form of guidance and small push in the truely right direction.
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
March 22 2011 20:55 GMT
#6
Look, I remember from your last post that you were gold.
There's a reason why Suggy can pull it off. He has the fundamentals to pull it off. He's also probably built the game sense from playing standard often enough. You don't. Build up your fundamentals, get to masters, and then you can probably pull it off. For now, the best way to learn is with a game plan.

However, if you're not looking for the best way to reach the top, do whatever the hell you want. It's a game after all. It's for fun. You can go that style; just don't expect sudden, drastic improvements.
darkness overpowering
Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
March 22 2011 20:57 GMT
#7
Ver's How To Improve is more about mindset than gameplay. It's necessary for reading for anyone who wants to know how to get good.
(╬ ಠ益ಠ)
divito
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1213 Posts
March 22 2011 20:57 GMT
#8
Oh no, it's FODDER.
Skype: divito7
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-22 21:00:40
March 22 2011 20:57 GMT
#9
Have you EVER heard of a player preparing for a tournament?
They usually aren't preparing how to wing it
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
March 22 2011 21:00 GMT
#10
Do whatever is more fun for you. Some people like planning, some people like winging it. Some people like somewhere in between.

Improvement usually comes from study more than anything else, so I wouldn't worry about which way you decide to go.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
March 22 2011 21:30 GMT
#11
I agree with Ver's guide.
mechanics and mindset are the way to go. When he says if you want to hit B rank on ICCUP as a noob, the way to go is 2 barracks before supply (or something similar) he's not lying. However, would you be good at a game 30 minutes in? What you practice is what you will get good at. The key to being a successful player is employing a strategy that is flexible. You not only want to just survive, you want to completely obliterate your opponents force without sacrificing any of your economy or economic growth. You must find the proper balance, and whether that is by going ok CC at 15, etc, etc, by the numbers, or by being flexible and spending your money asap on whatever floats your boat, that is up to you.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
March 22 2011 21:47 GMT
#12
On March 23 2011 05:45 FODDER~ wrote:
Show nested quote +

SnowFantasy:

No, having a plan is almost always better than making it up as you go.


Then why does Suggy prefer not having one? What does he see that we don't?

He doesn't see anything, many top players dont care about ladder.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
Adebisi
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1637 Posts
March 22 2011 23:00 GMT
#13
Pokebunny he gonna need a plan to beat u amirite?
Rabbitmaster
Profile Joined August 2010
1357 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-22 23:16:31
March 22 2011 23:15 GMT
#14
I got to diamond both in beta and after release with absolutely no game play besides the first 2-3 mins of the game. And i gotta say it works for me. But then im no where near pro level so i don't know i suppose.
'
God is dead.
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
March 22 2011 23:29 GMT
#15
On March 23 2011 05:45 FODDER~ wrote:
Show nested quote +

SnowFantasy:

No, having a plan is almost always better than making it up as you go.


Then why does Suggy prefer not having one? What does he see that we don't?


Nothing he says in some videos he plays ladder just to mess about and he customs his serious builds. He just plays online for fun and asks his friends because he is trying to entertain them since sometimes in the video you see a big screen with the games suggy plays being projected.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
FEL
09:00
Cracow 2025
Krystianer vs sOs
SKillous vs ArT
MaNa vs Elazer
Spirit vs Gerald
Clem vs TBD
uThermal vs TBD
Reynor vs TBD
Lambo vs TBD
RotterdaM823
ComeBackTV 812
IndyStarCraft 364
CranKy Ducklings121
Rex101
3DClanTV 76
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 823
IndyStarCraft 364
Rex 101
ProTech57
StarCraft: Brood War
Horang2 13724
Hyuk 4255
Hyun 912
firebathero 669
Mini 664
Barracks 660
Larva 642
BeSt 339
EffOrt 257
ZerO 76
[ Show more ]
Shinee 66
sorry 65
Free 49
zelot 48
Last 38
Noble 35
scan(afreeca) 33
NaDa 22
soO 19
Sacsri 16
Sharp 15
yabsab 11
Bale 9
Movie 4
Dota 2
XcaliburYe618
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K989
shoxiejesuss608
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor275
Other Games
gofns12174
Happy503
Beastyqt448
SortOf121
ZerO(Twitch)12
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH335
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2242
Upcoming Events
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3h 43m
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
7h 43m
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 23h
WardiTV European League
2 days
Online Event
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Non-Korean Championship
BSL 20 Team Wars
FEL Cracov 2025
CC Div. A S7
Underdog Cup #2
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.