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OverZero
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States271 Posts
March 08 2011 04:39 GMT
#1
This is pretty dumb and I don't normally get pissed off about Starcraft or games in general, but I cannot win a PvT for the life of me. I recently got promoted to diamond maybe 2 or 3 weeks ago, and at first I was doing fine, but out of nowhere every terran I played just destroyed me. It seems like 85% of the terrans I play either 1) Do some stim timing push (which I find near impossible to stop) or 2) do some turtling tank garbage where they build turrets around their base so my observer can't get in and just proceed to turtle while I expand. Then I try to push in and die. I don't know what it is, but PvT is driving me nuts!!!

Sorry to rant like this but I'm currently frustrated beyond belief. I really don't like 4-gating I'd much rather play some form of a macro game (I at least think thats where I happen to shine). But, if you guys have any advice please share, or if you want to rant about some matchup you're having trouble with feel free to let loose!

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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 08 2011 04:41 GMT
#2
Welcome to the club. I can't win against a single Protoss, even those in Gold and I'm at 2600 Diamond Zerg player.

That was when I just stopped all together and just play Team games.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Trozz
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3456 Posts
March 08 2011 04:42 GMT
#3
What build do you use?
Sentries help you beat stimmed dudes.
Immortals own tanks.
A build is not a guess, an estimation or a hunch, a feeling, or a foolish intuition. A build is a dependable, unwavering, unarguably accurate, portrayer of your ambition.
OverZero
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States271 Posts
March 08 2011 04:42 GMT
#4
On March 08 2011 13:41 Torte de Lini wrote:
That was when I just stopped all together and just play Team games.


Thats what I've resorted to, but today I mustered up some strength to try and play on the ladder. This blog is the result of that...

PLAGUUUUUUU <My Stream: twitch.tv/paullolol > Check it out some time!!!
OverZero
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States271 Posts
March 08 2011 04:44 GMT
#5
On March 08 2011 13:42 Trozz wrote:
What build do you use?
Sentries help you beat stimmed dudes.
Immortals own tanks.


I usually do 3 or 2-gate robo. But recently I've been messing around with a 2-warpgate pressure into expand but it just doesn't seem to flow right.
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ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-08 04:51:29
March 08 2011 04:50 GMT
#6
4 gate dominates terrans even at the masters league level. my pvz and pvp is so bad that i can just 4 gate terrans and always win since my mmr is lowered due to pvz and pvp.

4 gate dominates terrans. just attack right when 4 gate finishes (and you have like 7 units or something) dont wait too long. if it fails, then you can macro. just because you dont like it it doesnt mean you shouldnt do it ^^
Jaedong :3
leadphyc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States99 Posts
March 08 2011 04:52 GMT
#7
usually i would turtle with senties and one bases collsis and when my second one is out push out and go from there usually hit his expo, then expo myself and transition into high templars.. that usually works for me.
always go for the win!
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-08 04:57:18
March 08 2011 04:56 GMT
#8
Stim timing requires good ff micro. if it's marine heavy you need guardian shield. Also when they turtle like that expand, but don't attack. You're better off just getting maxed way easier and getting a sturdy composition and a ton of gates.

I don't recommend one base colossus: generally the terran can hold the first attack, and after that they just have enough bio they can take you out despite the collossi.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
March 08 2011 04:58 GMT
#9
When I looked at the topic title, I thought you were talking about your virginity and you needed to share with TL right before it happened, because that's totally what I would do.

I have about a 70-80% winrate in PvT atm, but I can't PvT at all. There are a few TvP pushes that if the Terran does, I have a very low chance of stopping it, but fortunately, those pushes don't happen a lot. The one build that I'm most successful at is a 2 colo timing push. What you do is open gate robo gate and pump zealots and stalkers. Use your scouting prove to see if the Terran pushes. If the Terran does not, save your chrono boost. When the robo finishes, build a robo bay, an immortal, and a 3rd gate. Save about 300 or so gas. When robo bay finishes, build a colo and then thermal lance @ 200 gas and then another colo. Spend all your chrono on the two colo. Right as the 2nd colo finishes, use scouting probe to build a proxy pylon and then push. This push is very hard to stop as Terran.
N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
March 08 2011 04:58 GMT
#10
The proper build for a learning protoss to use is kinda as follows

build your pylon/gateway/gas/pylon/cyber as always.

As the cyber finishes you throw down the robo with your first 100 gas.

Depending on what you like, the next either 50 or 100 gas goes to a sentry or a stalker. THEN and only THEN do you start your warpgate research.

Get a second gateway around now, and chrono the shit outa that robo cause you want that observer as fast as you can. You will NEVER be caught off guard with this if you have a probe sitting as his choke until the obs comes out. Depending on what the obs see's you pretty much do what you think would be a good idea at the time. Whats he building? Does he have a command center? Does he have 2 gas? Does he have a "oh god I'm gonna die" amount of units? Do I need to make another obs for a possible cloak banshee in my base any second?

Just run through the mental checklist of all the stupid shit Terran can do with what he has on the field. Play proper, and react well, you should do just fine.
Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.
Cofo
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1388 Posts
March 08 2011 05:19 GMT
#11
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=142887

Try this. I use it in a lot of my PvTs and is probably the build I win most with. It can be tough to hold against some all-ins or early timing attacks, but a lot of Terran don't really know how to best punish a FE. You'd be surprised at some of the agression you're able to hold off, especially with good forcefields. Most of the time, if you survive the first attack, it's game over.
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EMPaThy789
Profile Joined July 2009
New Zealand878 Posts
March 08 2011 05:55 GMT
#12
On March 08 2011 13:58 Chairman Ray wrote:
When I looked at the topic title, I thought you were talking about your virginity and you needed to share with TL right before it happened, because that's totally what I would do.

LOL winner of this thread right here

have you tryed a 1gate expo build? its really stron against any sort of terran build and can easily hold 3 rax. the only things that could give you trouble would be polt timing, marine scv allin(which can be easily held off with some stalker micro) and thor rush(which you hardly see nowadays after the nerf). imo its generaly a bad idea to pressure terran early on due to stupid maruaders slowing all your stuff down. defending while out macroing and harrasing then smashing them with a strong lategame seems to work best ( after all, terrans qq about toss late game all the time) at least for me
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
March 08 2011 06:22 GMT
#13
On March 08 2011 13:58 Chairman Ray wrote:
When I looked at the topic title, I thought you were talking about your virginity and you needed to share with TL right before it happened, because that's totally what I would do.

lol you're kidding. I supposed I can see that, but my first though was

If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Trozz
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3456 Posts
March 08 2011 07:08 GMT
#14
Dude, skip the pressure.
If it's not working for you,
get a third instead.
A build is not a guess, an estimation or a hunch, a feeling, or a foolish intuition. A build is a dependable, unwavering, unarguably accurate, portrayer of your ambition.
Hellhammer
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada144 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-08 07:21:23
March 08 2011 07:21 GMT
#15
Zealots are too strong. Stalkers can shoot up. Crono boost = autowin. Pylon rush is imba. Nexus needs to be nerfed.

Try building 8 cannons outside your base and you will win every game. Not 7, 8.

Edit: oh ya, just warp in storms duh
If Jesus comes, kill him again.
EMPaThy789
Profile Joined July 2009
New Zealand878 Posts
March 08 2011 08:19 GMT
#16
On March 08 2011 16:21 Hellhammer wrote:
Zealots are too strong. Stalkers can shoot up. Crono boost = autowin. Pylon rush is imba. Nexus needs to be nerfed.

Try building 8 cannons outside your base and you will win every game. Not 7, 8.

Edit: oh ya, just warp in storms duh

...




the mods will be out for your soul!
Sd13
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Vietnam186 Posts
March 08 2011 08:26 GMT
#17
On March 08 2011 15:22 Grobyc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2011 13:58 Chairman Ray wrote:
When I looked at the topic title, I thought you were talking about your virginity and you needed to share with TL right before it happened, because that's totally what I would do.

lol you're kidding. I supposed I can see that, but my first though was

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dcVOmEQzKA


lol, same thought here
정명훈 \m/
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
March 08 2011 10:31 GMT
#18
people improve in bursts.
Awhile ago I found out all I need is mass speedling to beat a 4 gate, and went on a 10 game streak into master league.
Now I'm having trouble beating toss who does 3 gateway expand and more conservative, and I'm figuring out what I can do against it.
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
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