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vinykk
Profile Joined February 2011
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March 10 2011 10:27 GMT
#101
I think the atheism of the Internet can really be assosciated to the fact that you can say things online that you wouldn't in public. Many people voice their thoughts online because denouncing Christianity in public at the level of 4chan's /B'ers is probably enough to get you into trouble.

But really, I just haven't grasped the concept of Christianity and its core beliefs. I'm fine with Christians though (as long as they don't rant on about spreading their religion, etc.), in fact I'm friends with quite a few of them.
Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
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Last Edited: 2011-03-11 07:14:31
March 11 2011 06:48 GMT
#102
On March 09 2011 15:53 javy925 wrote:
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On March 09 2011 11:08 Chromyne wrote:



1) Creator of the universe (through 6 day creation or naturalistic evolution, doesn't really matter to me) and humanity to have fellowship with and bring glory to Himself. Perfectly holy and just.
2) I don't believe the claim, 'god exists' is falsifiable. So logically, you can't provide evidence for this (correct me if I'm wrong). I guess you could produce evidence that would reduce the probability of a god existing? But that seems sort of moot because reducing is not extinguishing.
3) What evidence do you require to convince you of the existence of the Christian God?

I require physical evidence of god. Simple as that. You said that you can not produce any evidence for god, which is true since there isn't any. If you cannot falsify the existance of god, you are taking his existance on faith and as I said earlier, it is not based on reason, since that would require evidence. I do not have to produce any evidence to reduce the probability of god existing, since the burden of proof is not on me. The default position is that nothing exists until proven otherwise, not god exists until disproven.


When did I say I couldn't produce any evidence for God? So you want physical evidence, like you want to see evidence of gravity by the observance of the graviton? If so, of course you [very likely] won't get it. Then I guess this discussion is over!

Atheism proclaims a belief that there is no god which also requires evidence (actually philosophically speaking, atheism is self-defeating), and can therefore not reasonably be the default position. A better default position would be agnosticism, claiming no knowledge.


Actually, no. The most general definition for atheism is not an affirmative statement about there being no god but rather a simple lack of belief. I'm an atheist because I have a lack of belief. You can very well be an agnostic atheist because knowledge and belief are two separate issues. There are definitely atheists who have a "stronger" stance and will actively state there is no god.

Also, yes, gravitons at the moment are purely hypothetical. However, with gravity, you can observe the phenomenon and make pretty strong predictions about the behavior of gravity. Lastly, there are experiments that are being set up to detect gravitational waves, like the one at LIGO, which obviously won't detect individual gravitons but they can give us insight on graviton characteristics. The difference is that there's no experimental or theoretical evidence for the existence of a supernatural supreme being.

The last few posts like this(the quote within the quote) have made me rage at the stupidity of humans, but the reasonable post that came after it has calmed me down now.

This is why I was extremely condescending in the OP in my first few post, because of people look like you(Chromyne and whiteguycash) who likes to talk about things that they don't understand and take it out of context. Although, we can't see gravity in the traditional sense, we can see the fingerprints it leaves behind. To equate that as having the same amount of physical evidence as the existence of a supernatural being is wrong.


On March 10 2011 19:27 whatsupyoutube wrote:
I think the atheism of the Internet can really be assosciated to the fact that you can say things online that you wouldn't in public. Many people voice their thoughts online because denouncing Christianity in public at the level of 4chan's /B'ers is probably enough to get you into trouble.

But really, I just haven't grasped the concept of Christianity and its core beliefs. I'm fine with Christians though (as long as they don't rant on about spreading their religion, etc.), in fact I'm friends with quite a few of them.

That is not necessarily true. I would definitely openly look down on Christian in public and have actually done it so. Well not really in public(as in talking to the public), but I have had a few discussions about it with other people in public. Although nowadays, I try to avoid discussions about religion unless they bring up the subject as it usually leads to annoying conversations with them talking about things they don't understand and making up stories and once they run out of stories, they just go with "shut up, you're going to hell anyways".


Okay, so there is a possibility that Santa exists. Cool.

Your last statement rings true. But the Bible isn't just a book. It's a historical book that is historically and archeologically accurate, with a very high number of existing manuscripts to support it and a time-between original and first copy that bests the works of Homer. Don't try to oversimplify things.

Just because a fiction was written around a historical event does not make it any less fiction.
Just to give you an example, there is this book that I read before called The Never War. In it, the hero of the story shoots down the Hindenburg to save the Earth. Basically, in the story, there are three Earths and our hero can travel between them. First Earth is 1937, Second earth is present time, and Third Earth is 3000. The protagnist travels to Third Earth and found out that if the hindenburg is not shut down, then the germans would win WWII since the germans are using it to for spying.

Can't disprove it didn't happen? No, but that doesn't make it a historical book either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Never_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindenburg_disaster


People who try to convert people by using (failed) logic and trying to find evidence to justify their religion have already failed as a religious person as religion is all about FAITH. Let me find you the definition of faith from dictionary.com
Faith - 2.belief that is not based on proof:

So yes not only have you failed in logic, you have also failed the very basis of religion.

Here are some humorous pictures(aka not to be taken seriously) about religion just to lighten up the mood.
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Lee Young Ho fighting! KT P are just CHINTOSSTIC.
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