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Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16992 Posts
February 09 2011 06:43 GMT
#1
Hey, so the title is pretty self explanatory. I'm basically trying to learn Swedish, as I've heard it's one of the easier languages for native English speakers to learn. I've looked online and have done the whole byki thing (and looked around websites). I was just wondering if anyone would perhaps be available for video gchat or something (no webcam, so I have to use a school computer for their webcams) to help with pronunciation, it'd be really appreciated.

My current level of Swedish is pretty awful. I can do things like say hello and stuff...nothing terribly exciting. I was especially curious, though, about how to identify short/long vowels, and which syllables to stress. For example, is winter pronounced "veen-ter" or "veen-ter"? (I know it's the first one haha.

But yeah, just stuff like that.

Any help/tips/etc. would be really appreciated :D

*
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cichli
Profile Joined August 2006
Sweden84 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 06:57:51
February 09 2011 06:57 GMT
#2
On February 09 2011 15:43 Empyrean wrote:
I was especially curious, though, about how to identify short/long vowels, and which syllables to stress. For example, is winter pronounced "veen-ter" or "veen-ter"? (I know it's the first one haha.


I'm not sure if there's a general rule for this, but usually, a vowel followed by two or more consonants is short, while a vowel followed by only one consonant is long.
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Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16992 Posts
February 09 2011 07:03 GMT
#3
What about words like "besviken"? Is it "bes-vi-ken"? Or "genomsnitt"? Is it "ge-nom-snitt"? Or "påtaglig"? Is it "på-tag-lig"? Or "meddelande"? Is it "med-de-lan-de"? Is that even the correct number of syllables? Speaking of words like genomsnitt, are there any other "special" rules on pronunciation (for example, the g turning into a y sound)?

<_<...learning new languages is hard
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Seronei
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden991 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 07:14:18
February 09 2011 07:11 GMT
#4
I don't even know the rules well as a native speaker, but I'm pretty sure g turns into a y if it's followed by double consonants after the vocal.

EDIT: Lol I'm an idiot.
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16992 Posts
February 09 2011 07:12 GMT
#5
On February 09 2011 16:11 Seronei wrote:
I don't even know the rules well as a native speaker, but I'm pretty sure g turns into a y if it's followed by double consonants after the vocal.


Oh, I've read that it turns into a y if it's followed by an e, i, y, ä, or ö. :<
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Seronei
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden991 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 07:17:20
February 09 2011 07:13 GMT
#6
On February 09 2011 16:12 Empyrean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2011 16:11 Seronei wrote:
I don't even know the rules well as a native speaker, but I'm pretty sure g turns into a y if it's followed by double consonants after the vocal.


Oh, I've read that it turns into a y if it's followed by an e, i, y, ä, or ö. :<

You're probably right lol, as I said I don't even know most of the rules.

You should try to get a hold of some Swedish movies or TV shows to learn pronunciation IMO, I'm sure you can find the rules written somewhere online though, but the Swedish language is filled with exceptions and those you'll just have to learn by heart.
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 07:24:02
February 09 2011 07:21 GMT
#7
On February 09 2011 16:03 Empyrean wrote:
What about words like "besviken"? Is it "bes-vi-ken"? Or "genomsnitt"? Is it "ge-nom-snitt"? Or "påtaglig"? Is it "på-tag-lig"? Or "meddelande"? Is it "med-de-lan-de"? Is that even the correct number of syllables? Speaking of words like genomsnitt, are there any other "special" rules on pronunciation (for example, the g turning into a y sound)?

<_<...learning new languages is hard


Oh sorry I mixed up what you were asking , that would've been way to confusing.-
I also found a site which might be helpful.
http://fi.forvo.com/word/meddelande/

https://steamcommunity.com/id/*tlusernamehere*/
kuresuti
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1393 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 07:26:24
February 09 2011 07:25 GMT
#8
Check out SweTV for some Swedish television torrents. It's an invite only site, but they're big on helping foreigners watch Swedish television and there's some sort of invitation request form where you can explain your situation.

EDIT: Turns out I have several invites, PM me an e-mail if you want one.
butter
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States785 Posts
February 09 2011 07:26 GMT
#9
I can recommend this informative podcast: Mastering Swedish.
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Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16992 Posts
February 09 2011 07:26 GMT
#10
Thanks for the help everyone.

I currently listen to Klartext, which is supposedly a daily podcast done in simple Swedish.

I actually can't understand pretty much 99% of it, but it's still useful to listen to the language, I think.
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Karliath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2214 Posts
February 09 2011 07:58 GMT
#11
Don't mean to bag on you, but learning Swedish because "[you]'ve heard it's one of the easier languages for native English speakers to learn" seems to be the wrong reason to do it.
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16992 Posts
February 09 2011 08:21 GMT
#12
On February 09 2011 16:58 Karliath wrote:
Don't mean to bag on you, but learning Swedish because "[you]'ve heard it's one of the easier languages for native English speakers to learn" seems to be the wrong reason to do it.


I find that as a native English speaker, the argument for learning foreign languages because of utility is kind of moot; I already speak the current lingua franca, so for me to learn any foreign language is purely out of intellectual curiosity. I'm also a native speaker of Chinese (it was my first language), and can speak French at a decent level (I may speak stilted French, but I can read and write proficiently). I'd like to do something useful with my free time this semester, and it'd just be cool to know Swedish haha. I'm also picking up camping. <_<
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Ulfsark
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States958 Posts
February 09 2011 09:03 GMT
#13
Jag Alska Svenska Kvinnor.

The only Swedish i know, well only sentence. It means I love Swedish women. I hope to make use of it someday.
gg wp
Shaoling
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden344 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 09:10:51
February 09 2011 09:09 GMT
#14
See this movie man http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0338309/ its awesome!
The guy that directed it later became a hollywood director doin flicks with samuel jackson n stuff.
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misterG420
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany152 Posts
February 09 2011 09:45 GMT
#15
If you're interested in a good teaching book, try Rivstart A1-A2. It has a CD, an exercise book and many good chapters. It is Swedish only, so there are no English grammar explanations, but it gets you right into the mess Also, they have a website where you can check all the answers to the excercises. Most foreigner courses use Rivstart, so if you intend to go to a beginners course, they most likley have the course.

The tip with the Swedish TV isn't bad, but try something fun and easy, such as:
http://svtplay.se/t/148700/dinosaurietaget

Dinosaurietåget is a chirdrens show with an amazing storyline AAAND subtitles! And no, I am not joking, I am watching the show every day and can recommend it to anyone!

Keep the Swedish up, its a cute language!

https://www.twitch.tv/misterg_420
Slakkoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Sweden1119 Posts
February 09 2011 11:29 GMT
#16
On February 09 2011 18:03 Ulfsark wrote:
Jag Alska Svenska Kvinnor.

The only Swedish i know, well only sentence. It means I love Swedish women. I hope to make use of it someday.


Hate to ruin it for ya, but it's älskaR.
Also OT, keep to Klartext, as it's the most simple swedish you can find then move on
Cuddle
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1345 Posts
February 09 2011 11:50 GMT
#17
On February 09 2011 16:12 Empyrean wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 09 2011 16:11 Seronei wrote:
I don't even know the rules well as a native speaker, but I'm pretty sure g turns into a y if it's followed by double consonants after the vocal.


Oh, I've read that it turns into a y if it's followed by an e, i, y, ä, or ö. :<


This is correct.

The vowels are a, o, u, å and e, i, y, ä, ö. The reason why they come in this order and in two groups is that the first four are so called hard vowels and the next group are the soft ones. They have a strong
influence on pronunciation of some consonants.

G is pronounced g in gata (street), god (good), gul (yellow), and gå (go, walk)
but as j (or y if you prefer) in ge (give), gitarr (guitar), gympa (gymnastics), gärna (gladly) and göra (do).
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
February 09 2011 17:35 GMT
#18
Hehe, it baffles me that anyone would try to learn swedish of all languages. It's pretty pointless.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16992 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 20:55:10
February 09 2011 20:53 GMT
#19
Thanks for everyone's advice...I'm just going to bump this one last time; I originally posted this early in the morning Swedish time, so perhaps I couldn't get as many responses as hoped for <_<

EDIT: Also I can't watch Dinosaurietåget because I need a Swedish IP apparently <_<
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SolHeiM
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1264 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 21:05:06
February 09 2011 21:04 GMT
#20
vinter is pronounced pretty similarly English word. fast i, fast e, and then just a regular v.

Though I'm not sure how to phonetically guide you through "winter" to "vinter" but I'll give it a try.

If you were to say "wynter" you're getting closer to sounding like the fast i in vinter.
If you were to say "eh" with a short h, instead of saying "ehh" like you would if you're confused, you're getting closer to the fast e in vinter.

If you try to say vynt-ehr it gets as close to the Swedish version of vinter I can think of. Don't forget the rolling R's.
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