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god damn, seriously. i can't believe how much zerg whine. especially about pvz. I seriously win like 1 out of 3 pvz, it's by far my worst matchup, and most protoss i know say it's hard too. I am by no means a bad player, pvz is NOT easy. lately I've even had these fucking zergs complaining about forcefields during the game AND THEN THEY BEAT ME.
the worst is zergs complaining about how hard it is to scout. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME. YOU HAVE OVERLORDS AND SPEEDLINGS. PROTOSS CAN'T SCOUT YOU AT ALL UNTIL HALLUCINATION OR OBSERVERS.
god, seriously, it's so fucking ridiculous. what is it about pvz im not understanding? seriously, the only way i ever win is by not engaging until I have a ridiculous army and then hoping the zerg wasn't good enough to take every base on the map in the mean time.
this rant was brought to you by me losing pretty much every pvz i've had for my last 20 pvz or so. I forge expand scrap station? they baneling bust. I forge expand to void ray shakuras? nydus in my base i barely fail to stop it lings stream in there goes my main. I try to hard 4gate? fast roach and lings. I play 3gate sentry expand on metalopolis? Guy outmacros me off his 2 bases and uses the wide area around the expansion to repeatedly attack me and i can't hold it. I go 2gate robo? Opponent goes mass speedlings into muta. WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO? in WHAT DIMENSION IS THIS EASY?
 
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YEEEES.
I've been waiting for someone to say this. <3 5 stars
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I'm terran so i don't really know much about the match-up, but from what I've heard protoss all ins are really strong. Since there are a variety of all ins, and most of them require a different response, it makes it hard for the zergs to defend. That is what I've heard from my zerg friend, i haven't had any protoss say anything though.
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Couldn't agree more. This trend of blaming everything on balance is really annoying.
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okay so you make the conclusion that PvZ is not broken based on the fact that you suck at PvZ? not very convincing at all...
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I've been told there is no way a zerg should win this mu, but personally it has been my worst mu recently.
Edit: It's not about imbalance. It's about whining. Don't.
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god damn, seriously. i can't believe how much protoss whine. especially about pvz. I seriously win like 1 out of 3 zvp, it's by far my worst matchup, and most zerg i know say it's hard too. I am by no means a bad player, zvp is NOT easy. lately I've even had these fucking protoss complaining about roaches during the game AND THEN THEY BEAT ME.
the worst is protoss complaining about how hard it is to scout. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME. YOU HAVE HALUCINATIONS AND CLOAKED DETECTORS. ZERG CAN'T SCOUT YOU AT ALL ONCE A STALKER IS OUT WITHOUT SACRIFICING AN OVERLORD.
god, seriously, it's so fucking ridiculous. what is it about zvp im not understanding? seriously, the only way i ever win is by not engaging until I have a ridiculous army and then hoping the protoss wasn't good enough to attack with his 2 base death ball.
this rant was brought to you by me losing pretty much every zvp i've had for my last 20 zvp or so. I 14 hatch on scrap station? they cannon rush. I speedling expand on shakuras? warp prism 4 gate in my base i barely fail to stop it zealot stream in there goes my nat. I try to hard roach rush? sentries and cannons. I play muta on metalopolis? Guy 1a's uses the wide area around the expansion to repeatedly attack me and i can't hold it. I go drone heavy? Opponent goes mass gateway units into collosus. I go one of the 3 builds zerg has? Protoss uses one of the 20 they have. WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO? in WHAT DIMENSION IS THIS EASY?
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On January 26 2011 14:39 5unrise wrote:
okay so you make the conclusion that PvZ is not broken based on the fact that you suck at PvZ? not very convincing at all...
Nah, I think him going on a tilt was simply what inspired the blog.
The Zerg qq is all like "we don't have a scouting unit" when clearly Zerg players have overlords and overseers, speedlings, etc etc etc. There's a lot of other things too, but this is just one example.
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I play protoss and I dont think PvZ is that hard. TvZ is really easy though (im protoss but i offrace a lot). PvZ I just 4 gate, or 2 gate star and get 2 VR and then get phoenix so when you attack you get about 2 phoenix to lift up 2 queen and you have VR...
or you do 3 gate rush, or 4 gate rush and those work pretty well. Pretty much zerg will fast expand so try to do something lame and win fast because late game (once they get mutas) its a lot harder.
its especially easy to win on maps like xelnaga/metal where its harder to defend as your nat is more open...bases like LT iunno, its hard =/
also dont forget to wall ! (with a hole for zealots)
thats all the simple advice i can give but im no pro and you might be better than me even
just have funnn
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I'm pretty bad at ZvP but this
I forge expand scrap station? they baneling bust. I forge expand to void ray shakuras? nydus in my base i barely fail to stop it lings stream in there goes my main. I try to hard 4gate? fast roach and lings. I play 3gate sentry expand on metalopolis? Guy outmacros me off his 2 bases and uses the wide area around the expansion to repeatedly attack me and i can't hold it. I go 2gate robo? Opponent goes mass speedlings into muta. WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO? in WHAT DIMENSION IS THIS EASY?
should improve my play a lot.
In all seriousness it's probably all just a bias. For Zerg's, IMO, it's just that you lose in the most shittiest ways. As in, your army gets absolutely melted when you lose and there is nothing you can do about it. You can't prevent a forcefield and you can't prevent a graviton beam no matter how hard you micro. The Protoss can control the engagement in a straight up game. In the most general sense, Zerg can lose to situations that they cannot do anything to avoid, and it makes it feel like the race is really weak if you can't prevent certain situations from happening, which makes it more prone to "complaint".
IdrA probably said it best when he said that Zerg was a race you don't "come back" from. As Zerg, when you're behind you can't make magic happen, none of their units are as cost efficient as Storm or Collosi or MMM. Again, I'm not pointing fingers at any imbalance, but I think this aspect of Zerg is what makes most people feel like its a very difficult race to handle at times.
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Well I'm low level player, but I open phoenix (two base or one base depending on map, but I imagine at top levels you'll two base most of the time) almost every game against zerg and it's my best matchup. I think air is the key.
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Bit of friendly advice: don't look at the Random Pictures thread - they're everywhere!
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I read everything looking for subliminal messages.
I am sorely disappointed by lack of fresh prince 
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ZvP was my best matchup then it took a plummet. The problem like you said is no scout until robo and if I go robo tech and they go muta/ling I am basically forced to do a base trade or lose to 4-5 bases mass expand. When I do scout a spire, I throw down 2 stargate and start pumping pheonix. Then I realize the zerg already switched to mass hydra/roach and I have 2 stargate and a bunch of useless pheonix.
I really don't understand how toss is favored in this match. Maybe at pro level, toss gets boost but Im not really sure.
But what annoy me is when whether they "zerg" win or lose say "toss op cuz idra said so"
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On January 26 2011 14:37 ludic123 wrote:
Couldn't agree more. This trend of blaming everything on balance is really annoying.
Says the terran...
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If your protoss and loosing to zerg, your not applying enough pressure while playing a safe macro style (x gate sentry expo).
If your zerg and your loosing to protoss, your not containing them enough, and there is no harassment. (Muta-ling, roaches perhaps, drops, bane's planted at future expos mineral lines, etc.)
Top level, is where zerg isn't playing the MU correctly. You can't play it like vs a T, you have force an aggressive contain, and make him work hard for every expansion, while out expanding him to keep up pressure.
btw im toss
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Lets be honest here, if we considered BW races as additional 3 races for a total of 6 races, noone would be complaining about how hard T/P/Z are in sc2. I think SC2 is pretty relaxing and not as difficult as people portray it no matter what race u play. A little perspective doesnt hurt 
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If you wanted... we could play a game sometime... and you could stomp me?
Or do I really have Godly Zerg skills?
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embrace the rage travis! haha love seeing other rageblogs.
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