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I haven't had a great week on ladder. I think I'm at -150 since last Monday, and the losses that keep piling up are absolutely rage inducing.
Terran players have gotten so damn abusive these days. 2 rax, 2 port bancheese, blue-flame hellion+marauder, and, perhaps worse than any of the above, standard marine tank play.
I don't know if I've gotten worse, or if the Ts have just gotten better, but I'm hating that matchup these days.
ZvP hasn't been much different. I've been fairly confident in my ZvP lately, thanks in no small part to all the practice and advice I get from iNcontroL, but here lately, every Toss I run into goes Voidray Colossus.
How is a unit composition like this even possible!? It's like something you'd see in a BGH free for all.
But, almost every game, without fail, I find myself running into it. That ball is so damn cost effective that it's infuriating.
Tonight, however, I finally caught a break.
That's right. I've found the answer to Voidray Colossus.
All you need is 3 hatcheries before pool, 8 gasses, and about a 50 mutas.
Obviously you'll need to be playing against someone who refuses to push in the first, say, 13 minutes of the game, but, if you can get the stars to align, the resulting carnage can be pretty damn satisfying:
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/124973-1v1-protoss-zerg-lost-temple
 
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VRay/Colossi is just ridiculous. When you add in force fields and the narrow chokes there is simply no Zerg ground force that can compete. And if the P plays solid there's really no chance for a timing push. I use the generally weak Muta/Ling as well, simply to avoid it.
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Just keep him on 2 base 
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That's the issue, it's very difficult to limit the P to two bases. They will have their standard Colossi timing which can easily establish a third base and then they just add in Void Rays later.
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IMO, the best way to beat unit/combo X is to not let them get unit/combo X in the first place.
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On January 07 2011 15:14 eviltomahawk wrote:
IMO, the best way to beat unit/combo X is to not let them get unit/combo X in the first place.
Easier said than done. You try pushing a P base with Roach/Hydra when they have FF and Colossi defending.
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Usually I try to kill them as soon as I scout the stargates, but often 2-3 sentries + 1 void ray kills my roach/ling push... So then I hope that a quick hydra/roach drop kills them.
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Make corruptors ? This composition shouldn't happen unless you're behind in the first place.
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got to say, this was a hilarious game. Void ray colossus is pretty damn scary
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On January 07 2011 15:20 Wolf wrote:
Make corruptors ? This composition shouldn't happen unless you're behind in the first place.
... uhhh VR's own corruptors............
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On January 07 2011 15:20 Wolf wrote:
Make corruptors ? This composition shouldn't happen unless you're behind in the first place.
It's not that simple at all. And why would you need to be behind? It can be used in virtually any situation.
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I blame the maps man, I guess your only best bet to win in this matchup with voids n collosus is to play on:
Meta, Shakuras,,, thts probably it... lost temple kinda works but i feel the flanks are smaller adn hard for Z to defend.
They are somewhat big with an easy third and they have flanks so you can take unexpecting collusus down.
Same goes to P.. they can take a third as well quite easily.
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Silly noobs...
This isn't balance QQ.
It's a brag post. Watch the replay. 
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On January 07 2011 15:48 MrBitter wrote:Silly noobs... This isn't balance QQ. It's a brag post. Watch the replay.
actually it's pretty art because u managed to do both at once
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3 hatches before pool? I'll just cannon rush the third hatch.
Mass muta is the lamest thing in the game, even worse than terran all in attacks involving SCVs. Every time I lose to it convinces me that speedrays shouldn't be nerfed, just to give zergs a taste of their own medicine.
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On January 07 2011 15:51 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2011 15:48 MrBitter wrote:Silly noobs... This isn't balance QQ. It's a brag post. Watch the replay. actually it's pretty art because u managed to do both at once
Epic Win.
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A Protoss died to mass mutalisks? I need to cast this replay. This is going to be amazing.
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Or you could just do the proxy hatch I told you about =P. Seriously, I use that every game against forge FE and I win every single one.
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lol if he is going voidray/collo that should give you enough time to get hyra/ultralisks and pwnzor him, just gotta scout both tech options.
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the best counter to voidray collo is just air indeed.
For some reason people think voidrays beat corruptors but it is actually quite cost even, the corruptors actually slightly win if corruption is used properly. Muta's beat voidrays quite well but have the slight risk of the toss making phoenix.
Overall corruptors with perhaps a few muta thrown in (if there are no phoenix) along with roaches and possible hydra is the best mix. Focus the collossi first and then the voids making sure to corrupt all the voids. Generally it shouldn't be hard to outmass the voidrays 2 to 1 with corruptors
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I did some testing in the unit test map a few days ago, and I found out that a muta is pretty much equal to a corruptor when it comes to killing void raiys, both in speed and how many you lose.
However if they got many phoenix corrutpors are obviously better, but if you want to clean up the ground mutas is the best choice
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