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Voidray Colossus. lolwut

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MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-07 06:05:02
January 07 2011 06:04 GMT
#1
I haven't had a great week on ladder. I think I'm at -150 since last Monday, and the losses that keep piling up are absolutely rage inducing.

Terran players have gotten so damn abusive these days. 2 rax, 2 port bancheese, blue-flame hellion+marauder, and, perhaps worse than any of the above, standard marine tank play.

I don't know if I've gotten worse, or if the Ts have just gotten better, but I'm hating that matchup these days.

ZvP hasn't been much different. I've been fairly confident in my ZvP lately, thanks in no small part to all the practice and advice I get from iNcontroL, but here lately, every Toss I run into goes Voidray Colossus.

How is a unit composition like this even possible!? It's like something you'd see in a BGH free for all.

But, almost every game, without fail, I find myself running into it. That ball is so damn cost effective that it's infuriating.

Tonight, however, I finally caught a break.

That's right. I've found the answer to Voidray Colossus.

All you need is 3 hatcheries before pool, 8 gasses, and about a 50 mutas.

Obviously you'll need to be playing against someone who refuses to push in the first, say, 13 minutes of the game, but, if you can get the stars to align, the resulting carnage can be pretty damn satisfying:

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/124973-1v1-protoss-zerg-lost-temple



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Lefnui
Profile Joined November 2008
United States753 Posts
January 07 2011 06:07 GMT
#2
VRay/Colossi is just ridiculous. When you add in force fields and the narrow chokes there is simply no Zerg ground force that can compete. And if the P plays solid there's really no chance for a timing push. I use the generally weak Muta/Ling as well, simply to avoid it.
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
January 07 2011 06:11 GMT
#3
Just keep him on 2 base
Lefnui
Profile Joined November 2008
United States753 Posts
January 07 2011 06:13 GMT
#4
That's the issue, it's very difficult to limit the P to two bases. They will have their standard Colossi timing which can easily establish a third base and then they just add in Void Rays later.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
January 07 2011 06:14 GMT
#5
IMO, the best way to beat unit/combo X is to not let them get unit/combo X in the first place.
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Lefnui
Profile Joined November 2008
United States753 Posts
January 07 2011 06:15 GMT
#6
On January 07 2011 15:14 eviltomahawk wrote:
IMO, the best way to beat unit/combo X is to not let them get unit/combo X in the first place.

Easier said than done. You try pushing a P base with Roach/Hydra when they have FF and Colossi defending.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
January 07 2011 06:17 GMT
#7
Usually I try to kill them as soon as I scout the stargates, but often 2-3 sentries + 1 void ray kills my roach/ling push... So then I hope that a quick hydra/roach drop kills them.
:)
Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
January 07 2011 06:20 GMT
#8
Make corruptors ? This composition shouldn't happen unless you're behind in the first place.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
January 07 2011 06:22 GMT
#9
got to say, this was a hilarious game. Void ray colossus is pretty damn scary
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happyness
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2400 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-07 06:29:45
January 07 2011 06:29 GMT
#10
On January 07 2011 15:20 Wolf wrote:
Make corruptors ? This composition shouldn't happen unless you're behind in the first place.


... uhhh VR's own corruptors............
Lefnui
Profile Joined November 2008
United States753 Posts
January 07 2011 06:29 GMT
#11
On January 07 2011 15:20 Wolf wrote:
Make corruptors ? This composition shouldn't happen unless you're behind in the first place.

It's not that simple at all. And why would you need to be behind? It can be used in virtually any situation.
KezseN
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1450 Posts
January 07 2011 06:32 GMT
#12
I blame the maps man, I guess your only best bet to win in this matchup with voids n collosus is to play on:

Meta, Shakuras,,, thts probably it... lost temple kinda works but i feel the flanks are smaller adn hard for Z to defend.

They are somewhat big with an easy third and they have flanks so you can take unexpecting collusus down.

Same goes to P.. they can take a third as well quite easily.
To Skeleton King: "Have you considered employment at Apple?"
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
January 07 2011 06:48 GMT
#13
Silly noobs...

This isn't balance QQ.

It's a brag post. Watch the replay.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
January 07 2011 06:51 GMT
#14
On January 07 2011 15:48 MrBitter wrote:
Silly noobs...

This isn't balance QQ.

It's a brag post. Watch the replay.


actually it's pretty art because u managed to do both at once
iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
January 07 2011 06:55 GMT
#15
3 hatches before pool? I'll just cannon rush the third hatch.

Mass muta is the lamest thing in the game, even worse than terran all in attacks involving SCVs. Every time I lose to it convinces me that speedrays shouldn't be nerfed, just to give zergs a taste of their own medicine.
During practice session, I discovered very good build against zerg. -Bisu[Shield]
XXXSmOke
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States1333 Posts
January 07 2011 07:05 GMT
#16
On January 07 2011 15:51 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2011 15:48 MrBitter wrote:
Silly noobs...

This isn't balance QQ.

It's a brag post. Watch the replay.


actually it's pretty art because u managed to do both at once


Epic Win.
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IskatuMesk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada969 Posts
January 07 2011 07:21 GMT
#17
A Protoss died to mass mutalisks? I need to cast this replay. This is going to be amazing.
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
January 07 2011 07:30 GMT
#18
Or you could just do the proxy hatch I told you about =P. Seriously, I use that every game against forge FE and I win every single one.
stroggos
Profile Joined February 2009
New Zealand1543 Posts
January 07 2011 08:04 GMT
#19
lol if he is going voidray/collo that should give you enough time to get hyra/ultralisks and pwnzor him, just gotta scout both tech options.
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Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
January 08 2011 21:28 GMT
#20
the best counter to voidray collo is just air indeed.
For some reason people think voidrays beat corruptors but it is actually quite cost even, the corruptors actually slightly win if corruption is used properly. Muta's beat voidrays quite well but have the slight risk of the toss making phoenix.

Overall corruptors with perhaps a few muta thrown in (if there are no phoenix) along with roaches and possible hydra is the best mix. Focus the collossi first and then the voids making sure to corrupt all the voids. Generally it shouldn't be hard to outmass the voidrays 2 to 1 with corruptors
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