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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
. So for their sakes its important to have a regular tournament structure. | ||
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
Then recently, since its holidays, i did take the time to watch some PL/OSL/MSL games. And man that made me realise how much more entertaining the average BW game is. SC2 has potential, and the very best SC2 games arent inferior in any way to a great BW game (like jinro vs socke on desert oasis, mana vs naama on xel naga) imo. But man I watched Free completely rape modesty in a one sided fashion, it was a mediocre game at best for BW standards, and it didnt even mean anything but it was still really entertaining to me. Whereas the SC2 games are only interesting if they are exceptionally good or if (for me at least) a foreigner is involved. BW is still clearly the better spectator sport but oh well, have patience I guess. Btw. I wonder if theyll have some sort of different payment structures for this Because I'm definitely not gonna pay 20x12= 240$ for one year of GSL. | ||
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SushilS
2115 Posts
On December 26 2010 04:12 ghermination wrote: I still haven't watched a GSL match. Since it became the cool thing to do to scoff at any mention of the word "imbalance", i've just accepted that it's going to be a cesspool of terran cheese until something changes in the game. I'm so tired of all these random tournaments having TvT finals, and It's frustrating watching the 5000 new competitive Terran players walking all over everyone else with only 6 months of playing experience and the free advantage of playing a race much easier than Protoss was in BW. This post is so ignorant and factually incorrect, I dont even....Sigh... Its no surprise that people like you think its a matter of pride to not have watched a GSL match. And you actually mention it in your underbar!ROFL. Wat a perfect specimen to illustrate the truth of my post above. I would sincerely advise you as a well-wisher, to, as general life-rule, NOT DISMISS STUFF BEFORE TRYING. | ||
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aeoliant
Canada361 Posts
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Aquafresh
United States824 Posts
Proleague is still solid as a rock though, theres usually a game or two really worth watching every night, and even the crappy games are still pretty good by GSL standards. None of these badly positioned FFE into getting killed by 3 roaches or 8 minute marine/SCV allins. For me the most boring games to watch in BW are the PvZs where the P gets his +1 speedlots and dicks around with them indecisively for a few minutes then gets rolled by superior macro a bit later. I don't wake up for it anymore, but I'll switch over to it if some jobber like Bitbybit is playing. At the end of the week it's on at pretty manageable EST hours so I'll usually watch. I think the best thing about GSL is that a lot of new starcraft fans seem to be discovering BW and tuning into proleague. Theres been a lot of new people on the TL streams, and posting in the LR threads as of late, which is really cool. Hopefully the two scenes can coexist, because I'm really enjoying the ability to watch some form of starcraft whenever I want. | ||
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
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Raeleigh
Canada902 Posts
But I didn't even bother with 3rd season, and I might not with the 4th.  But I'm hoping it gets better by the summer. Me and my boyfriend wanted to go to Korea ;__; | ||
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crazeman
664 Posts
I'd like to see them either cut out the round of 64 or just put more time off in between the GSLs. The pace of the GSL was pretty much: GSL 1 ended.... qualifier starts in 2 days. GSL 2 ended... qualifier starts in 2 days. I think it is a bit early to give up on the GSL though The new format sounds interesting and there should be a lot more higher quality games once the dust settle. | ||
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
You had the luxery of watching an established and well refined game that has been out for over 10 years. The pros have shapen up, the game has just gone more and more skill intensive. SC2 is young, EXTREMELY young. You cant have all that SC:BW was in just a few months. Chill out, and if its too much SC, whatahell, just turn it off and do something else? (I watched and followed the professional War3 scene for over 5 years, and im also mildly disappointed of the excitement brought so far by SC2, but Im sure it will come so I stay out of the complaints department) | ||
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sixghost
United States2096 Posts
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
On December 26 2010 02:54 chobopeon wrote: while i agree there there is much to be desired in the gameplay, i think we will get there eventually whether it be through expansions or whatever. youve been watching bw for 5 years - it was 7 years old when you started watching it. ive been watching it for a decade. it was not always this good, let me tell you. ill be getting a gsl4 ticket BW was ALWAYS exciting to watch, im not saying EVERY GAME had a pimpest play in it but the average game was FAR more entertaining than the average sc2 match. Obviously the skill grew withing the years but thats a different topic. if you dont believe me check this: http://www.azeroth.ru/ | ||
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Freaky[x]
Canada995 Posts
1) to make the game too restrictive in the sense of moving shots, no "difficult" tricks. 2) to make the path-ing is too good for it's own good and would create blob battles 3) to make the maps suck (although this is hard since nobody can predict how game play evolution works over time 4) lack of cloaked units/"spells" ( mostly lurker / mines ) #1 is annoying because no moving shots made for interesting and silly early battles and allowed people with decent micro to actually beat other people using a really low number of units. "tricks" like being able to drone drill and move through minerals using vultures and pylon tricks (although blizzard didn't want them) created interesting but mostly DIFFERENT games. Sure they were bugs and it the eyes of a programmer, it is a bad thing, but you know... imperfection is perfection if you know what I mean. Also, removing the in between shots in the delays sucks. It doesn't give the players which dedicate more time to micro a chance to express their domination through their micro when all seems lost. I remember in beta there was this guy that made all the different moving shots for mutas and so on and it looked cool, I wish we could make a league using only those maps because it would be very interesting to see what would happen. Strategies would change dramatically and more interesting stuff would happen. People might actually think outside of the box! #2 is annoying as fuck because it looks ugly, it really looks like a slinky army. and at the end it becomes Slinky army 1 vs slinky army 2. #3 self explanatory #4 in bw you had tense moments when there was hold lurkers and the guy didn't notice and so on. Now you have that kind of with burrowed banelings and roach underground movement but... it's not really the same because of the maps and the fact that terran has to scan anyways to remove creep and so on. (when it works though it looks good but it doens't usually) Maybe I'm being a pessimist but I also enjoy bw soo much more than sc2. I just play sc2 because nobody is on bw and i got it as a present .Anyways I hope they improve some stuff to make it better. | ||
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Angra
United States2652 Posts
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
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ChaseR
Norway1004 Posts
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Freezard
Sweden1013 Posts
I used to watch every BW game, but nowadays I don't have the time so I just watch a few selected games (SKT, Flash/Jaedong, final stages of leagues etc). There are way too many proleague matches, but then again that's nothing compared to the amount of GSL games. Even if I had the time to watch six hours of GSL a day I wouldn't do it because of boredom. Plus, I can't download the VODs and the online player sucks since you can't fast-forward which I always do with BW games, so much time is wasted. One could ask: did BW have five hours+ of games per day right at the start of its lifetime as well? I don't think so. And GSL is just one league... GOM will probably open more leagues later or other sponsors will buy the right to broadcast their own leagues. Maybe the sheer amount of games is the problem itself? If you had the world cup every year in soccer... I don't like that people call me a SC2 hater because I've probably spent more money on it than you have (all GSL + ESL tourneys). I played the beta and loved the campaign but online never caught my attention. I'm back to playing BW with a handful of other players, but at least I can micro away with my wraiths in 2v2, scanning for observers and sniping them just to kill off every high templar just for the kicks. There's nothing like that in SC2 unfortunately. | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
On December 26 2010 06:00 skindzer wrote: BW was ALWAYS exciting to watch, im not saying EVERY GAME had a pimpest play in it but the average game was FAR more entertaining than the average sc2 match. Obviously the skill grew withing the years but thats a different topic. if you dont believe me check this: http://www.azeroth.ru/ those games were still a bit after release | ||
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snorlax
United States755 Posts
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
On December 26 2010 06:43 chobopeon wrote: those games were still a bit after release Well, they did were 1 year after the release, but if you compare the amount of televised games between that finals and the Korean release date i think its quite even with the GSL 3 Finals. | ||
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