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10 things I want to address after viewing Paul Sam's announcements, KeSPA's responses, TL's comments.
1. KeSPA = A non-profit association recognized by the Ministry of Culture in Korea. Questionable management practices.
2. Non-profit = They re-invest whatever money they make for their cause/goals, they still will make money. It's not like they won't ever see a single dollar (won for this matter). I'm sure a 3rd party organization, most likely the ministry, audits them.
3. Activision-Blizzard = A for-profit company that should & will try to maximize profits to make money for their investors, there is nothing wrong with a company that wants to squeeze every last penny out of consumers' pockets. That is what a for-profit corporation should be doing.
- Case in point: LAN, they figured they would lose a small chunk of consumers for not having LAN, and would do better in profit & sales once they centralize the game via Battlenet2.0 (hindering piracy)
4. Everybody bitched/moaned about no LAN but still most people bought the game, proving Blizzard that they made the smarter business decision from their corporate perspective.
5. Numbers regarding profit/revenue/growth/sales = totally meaningless in press conferences without actual data. It is too ambiguous and anybody with basic knowledge of statistics knows that dropping random %s is irrelevant.
6. Paul Sams stated, "Blizzard does not see e-sports as a source of profits. The reason why we are in negotiations with game TV channels for licensing is to get our IP rights acknowledged, not to get profits." = This one is actually pretty funny. There is always money to made in any untapped markets. I'm sure Blizzard want their IP rights acknowledged but not interested in profits?
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7. Blizzard getting their IP rights acknowledged = Additional source of profit, which they did not have previously. Selling broadcasting rights yearly? With possibilities of huge potential growth in the near future. (Untapped market - upheld only by a non-profit organization)
8. "In addition, the yearly broadcasting fee that KeSPA wants is still 5 times more than what GomTV is requesting KeSPA to pay." = Random figures once again, but even if it is that much, they are still non-profit, which means that money will be re-invested for expansion of e-sports. When GomTV sells broadcasting rights, GomTV/Blizzard gets paid, in return their investors get paid.
9. Demanding the audit KeSPA is pretty outrageous, bullying for the lack of a better word.
We made the game --> We will sell you broadcasting rights every year for a figure we call --> Oh yeah and we can check your numbers anytime.
10. I believe the issue at hand will either spark a new life for e-sports or be the death of it. I say this because:
- This will set precedent and all game companies will basically be auto-given full control of pro-leagues/broadcasted tournaments due to IP rights of their respective games
- Other game companies besides Blizzard may choose to compete for a competitive "e-sports" game platform and produce higher quality games (knowing there is a lot of money to be made)
- Resulting in numerous dispersed pro-leagues which could lead to growth of e-sports
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- No other game company tries to make "e-sport" type games for broadcast because they don't see money to made in pro-leagues/high level tournaments featuring corporate sponsors/etc
- e-sports withers away
But all in all, I think the current issue shows that there is no room for non-profit organizations in e-sports because they simply didn't make the platform.
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The reason it looks like "there is no room for non-profit organizations in e-sports" is because Actiblizz's goal is to get KeSPA out of the picture... it's not like e-sports failed miserably with KeSPA at the helm.
On December 05 2010 05:13 Rekrul wrote:
no
what is this in response to?
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On December 05 2010 05:13 Rekrul wrote:
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On December 05 2010 05:13 Rekrul wrote:
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Wrong thread?
edit: I am stupid. I guess you are talking about the open source Bw'ish game.
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when did this conflict even start?
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On December 05 2010 05:14 infinitestory wrote:
The reason it looks like "there is no room for non-profit organizations in e-sports" is because Actiblizz's goal is to get KeSPA out of the picture... it's not like e-sports failed miserably with KeSPA at the helm.
Yeah I agree, once Actiblizz gets rid of KeSPA - it's pretty symbolic actually...
It sets the standard for e-sports, 3rd party organizations can't do shit regardless of their cause/who they are backed by/etc because they didn't make the game ._.
I didn't say the last part you said ._.
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On December 05 2010 05:22 ThePurist wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 05:14 infinitestory wrote:
The reason it looks like "there is no room for non-profit organizations in e-sports" is because Actiblizz's goal is to get KeSPA out of the picture... it's not like e-sports failed miserably with KeSPA at the helm. Yeah I agree, once Actiblizz gets rid of KeSPA - it's pretty symbolic actually... It sets the standard for e-sports, 3rd party organizations can't do shit regardless of their cause/who they are backed by/etc because they didn't make the game ._. I didn't say the last part you said ._.
If, not once.
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I am still very anti-kespa practices i.e FA etc. But recently I think Blizz shouldn't control broadcasting rights; rather no-one should as it should be free for everyone.
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I think you might have failed to communicate that clarity to us. Sure, if BW was free software we wouldn't have this debate. That's like saying if we had a free unlimited source of energy we wouldn't have an energy crisis. I fail to see how it helps us with the problems we do face.
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Moment of Clarity is actually just a song by Jay-Z.
I clarified things a lot of people weren't aware of if you check out the two translated threads.
My key point is that there is no room for non-profit organizations in e-sports.
The last part was a joke hence clown face. Didn't mean to be received so literally.
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On December 05 2010 05:37 ThePurist wrote:
Moment of Clarity is actually just a song by Jay-Z.
I clarified things a lot of people weren't aware of if you check out the two translated threads.
My key point is that there is no room for non-profit organizations in e-sports.
The last part was a joke hence clown face. Didn't mean to be received so literally.
Like I said, I disagree. It's simply Actiblizz's approach that makes it look like KeSPA has no place in eSports. It's perfectly fine for Actiblizz to take a laissez-faire approach with BW and let KeSPA and the broadcasting situations run their leagues. They did that for years. Why the difference now? Because Actiblizz's stance changed. Not because KeSPA was incompetent (at least not totally incompetent). It depends on the company, and the company's take on whether to let eSports grow or try to harness it.
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On December 05 2010 05:37 ThePurist wrote:
My key point is that there is no room for non-profit organizations in e-sports.
I guess that's true if Blizzard is actually allowed to assert its rights as they see fit.
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Why is auditing Kespa outrageous? Doing the due diligence before signing a contract with a business partner is pretty standard.
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On December 05 2010 05:40 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 05:37 ThePurist wrote:
Moment of Clarity is actually just a song by Jay-Z.
I clarified things a lot of people weren't aware of if you check out the two translated threads.
My key point is that there is no room for non-profit organizations in e-sports.
The last part was a joke hence clown face. Didn't mean to be received so literally.
Like I said, I disagree. It's simply Actiblizz's approach that makes it look like KeSPA has no place in eSports. It's perfectly fine for Actiblizz to take a laissez-faire approach with BW and let KeSPA and the broadcasting situations run their leagues. They did that for years. Why the difference now? Because Actiblizz's stance changed. Not because KeSPA was incompetent (at least not totally incompetent). It depends on the company, and the company's take on whether to let eSports grow or try to harness it.
They didn't "leave KeSPA and broadcasting situations run their leagues". According to sources posted on TL, they have supposedly negotiated for years. Perhaps their stance did change but realistically speaking, what company isn't going to want to get royalties/any source of extra income from their product?
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On December 05 2010 05:52 Onisparda wrote:
Why is auditing Kespa outrageous? Doing the due diligence before signing a contract with a business partner is pretty standard.
I'm willing to bet it's more of a matter of pride regarding that
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You seem very biased when you write Actiblizz everytime you talk about Blizzard btw.
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On December 05 2010 05:59 Grend wrote:
You seem very biased when you write Actiblizz everytime you talk about Blizzard btw.
The Blizzard that created SC:BW is not the same Blizzard that is fighting the broadcasting companies and KeSPA. That distinction must be made clear 
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Not the same. Gretech is asking for more money than KeSPA earns in revenue, supposedly. There would be no broadcasting from MBC and OGN, Gretech doesn't own a TV channel, and KeSPA would disappear quickly. How is that not the death of BW?
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Just because broadcasting companies will have to pay Blizzard (ActiBlizz as you term them) doesn't mean E-sports will go down in flames...
Broadcasting companies such as ESPN and TNT have to pay the NBA for broadcasting rights, the NBA didn't flounder.
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On December 05 2010 05:58 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 05:52 Onisparda wrote:
Why is auditing Kespa outrageous? Doing the due diligence before signing a contract with a business partner is pretty standard. I'm willing to bet it's more of a matter of pride regarding that
Or the fear that Gom would use the numbers to ask for the highest price Kespa can afford to pay.
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