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zenMaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada761 Posts
December 05 2010 00:39 GMT
#41
On December 05 2010 09:24 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2010 09:19 Clipped wrote:
On December 05 2010 08:54 infinitestory wrote:
On December 05 2010 08:47 Clipped wrote:

The Blizzard that created SC:BW is not the same Blizzard that is fighting the broadcasting companies and KeSPA. That distinction must be made clear

Dumbest thing I ever read. Blizzard hasn't changed the majority of the people who worked on BW still work at Blizzard.

hahahahahaha
before i even get into activision's business practices, do you have the data to back that up?
You're the one who said Blizzard "changed" the burden of proof doesn't lie with me.
Blizzard has always taken a strong stance against anything that could threaten their profits and the bad blood between KeSPA and Blizzard started before the fusion with Activision BTW.

i never said anything about the employees of blizzard so i have nothing to prove to that effect
and I take it you've never heard of Bobby Kotick? That man's life revolves around getting more money by any means possible

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/30305/Kotick_Hints_At_DirectToConsumer_Video_Game_Movies.php
I like his plan of not using real actors to save money, then selling the movie for $20+ then expect people to pay for it again in theaters.

When it comes to money making, this man knows no bounds.
ThePurist
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada686 Posts
December 05 2010 10:05 GMT
#42
On December 05 2010 07:22 Rekrul wrote:
clarity:

two companies trying to position themselves to make more money and have more power in the market

neither is right or wrong

who will win or if both will compromise... many variables will decide

hard to figure out


1. Everybody knows this
2. There are two sides to an argument
3. Everybody knows this
4. Obviously

Many people missed the point only a select few can differentiate the last point from the first 9 points. I point some key facts out and add in my hypothesis that after this lawsuit (if it happens) it will set precedent and I believe pretty much no other NPO can step in e-sports because they simply didn't make the game (unless for whatever reason the game company allows them to). It's not a very complicated hypothesis, it's really simple.

I'm not anti-Blizzard, they made BW, SC2, it's good they are making money (which for some reason people hate them for?), but what I am against is Blizzard stated they don't care about profits (untrue), and the current struggle for IP rights will set precedent for future games if it goes to a legal battle.

I am biased to some degree yes. I'll be real and upfront about it. There is no neutral 3rd party supreme objective view here. Except for Rekrul from this thread because his post was so meaningless that anybody could have already said.

The analogies of NFL and parallelisms with NHL by teamsolid was pretty frustrating to read and I wonder how you can make such irrelevant ties with a budding industry vs. the respective national sports of USA/Canada just on the grounds that they are both NPOs.

On December 05 2010 07:24 darmousseh wrote:
How does this deserve its own thread?

As for the points. Yes it is in every company's interest to make a profit, but sometimes businesses makes decisions which do not provide a profit immediately. Protecting their IP rights is a way to ensure that their future products don't get stolen.



Yes you are correct, there are ranged goals of businesses in which they may suffer losses initially. I believe it is common knowledge. Please read more carefully, points 6-7.

Zim23 thank you for your insightful post.

On December 05 2010 09:02 Loanshark wrote:
Somehow I don't think Blizzard/Activision can make an e-sports scene worthy of the one we have now.


I don't believe so too... sadly enough


... Anyways... Selective reading for the loss.

Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
December 05 2010 11:09 GMT
#43
Your OP was completely biased and laced with acid against Blizzard, so no, in terms of clarity, all it clarified is you take KeSPA's side.

I'm glad Rekrul can get away with one-word posts, because "no" pretty much sums it up nicely.
"What does Rivington do when he's not commentating?" "Drool." ~ Categorist
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
December 05 2010 12:45 GMT
#44
On December 05 2010 19:05 ThePurist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2010 07:22 Rekrul wrote:
clarity:

two companies trying to position themselves to make more money and have more power in the market

neither is right or wrong

who will win or if both will compromise... many variables will decide

hard to figure out


1. Everybody knows this
2. There are two sides to an argument
3. Everybody knows this
4. Obviously

Many people missed the point only a select few can differentiate the last point from the first 9 points. I point some key facts out and add in my hypothesis that after this lawsuit (if it happens) it will set precedent and I believe pretty much no other NPO can step in e-sports because they simply didn't make the game (unless for whatever reason the game company allows them to). It's not a very complicated hypothesis, it's really simple.

I'm not anti-Blizzard, they made BW, SC2, it's good they are making money (which for some reason people hate them for?), but what I am against is Blizzard stated they don't care about profits (untrue), and the current struggle for IP rights will set precedent for future games if it goes to a legal battle.

I am biased to some degree yes. I'll be real and upfront about it. There is no neutral 3rd party supreme objective view here. Except for Rekrul from this thread because his post was so meaningless that anybody could have already said.

The analogies of NFL and parallelisms with NHL by teamsolid was pretty frustrating to read and I wonder how you can make such irrelevant ties with a budding industry vs. the respective national sports of USA/Canada just on the grounds that they are both NPOs.

Show nested quote +
On December 05 2010 07:24 darmousseh wrote:
How does this deserve its own thread?

As for the points. Yes it is in every company's interest to make a profit, but sometimes businesses makes decisions which do not provide a profit immediately. Protecting their IP rights is a way to ensure that their future products don't get stolen.



Yes you are correct, there are ranged goals of businesses in which they may suffer losses initially. I believe it is common knowledge. Please read more carefully, points 6-7.

Zim23 thank you for your insightful post.

Show nested quote +
On December 05 2010 09:02 Loanshark wrote:
Somehow I don't think Blizzard/Activision can make an e-sports scene worthy of the one we have now.


I don't believe so too... sadly enough


... Anyways... Selective reading for the loss.



well the amount of profits blizzard will gain from kespa etc complying to their demands is a very tiny fraction of what the company makes as a whole right now

you think they are risking all this possible bad PR for that money?

it's much bigger, and more complicated than that, and your post gives no clarity

hence 'no'
why so 진지해?
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