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Using the cloak of cheese

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Duckvillelol
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia1255 Posts
October 23 2010 00:28 GMT
#1
G'day folks.

I got to thinking - do people ever use the veil of "oh noes I'm on battle.net, this guy is going to cheese me"?

I almost never cheese when I'm laddering - it's not a 'moral' standpoint on the issue or anything like that - I just generally don't ever do it because I'm a little bit more of a macro player. This seems to shine through in my wins, almost every time the game goes over 25 minutes, I seem to win. I'm not claiming I'm a (P)BeSt-style macro master or anything, it just seems that while my early game is pretty crappy, later on macro is my shindig.

Back on track - I was thinking about whether people pretend to cheese while covering another risky play - so I decided to give it a shot.

PvP on Blistering sands (one of my least favourite maps), and I decided to cover an 'eco cheese' (15nexus or something around that) with a 'military cheese'. I will admit, it was unfortunate for the other player that he didn't scout the early nexus properly, and that's obviously what cost me the game, however - if a mediocre player such as myself can get this to work in (lol) low diamond, can pro players do it?

Replay below, as mentioned above yes I know it was mainly the other guys fault for not scouting correctly - but have you ever attempted to 'cover your tracks' with a fake-cheese? Better yet - does anyone know if any pros have done anything of this style?

Also I've uploaded a few nice vods onto my youtube recently, show a brother-nerd some love and let me know if you like the vods or not! :D www.youtube.com/duckvillelol

Cheers.

Replay

Former SC2 commentator. youtube.com/duckvillelol
.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
October 23 2010 00:34 GMT
#2
I get cheesed basically every game. I'd like to think I'm getting pretty good at punishing the other player for it, too.

And fake-cheesing.. interesting idea. If I played Zerg and saw an early scout, I'd probably slap down a pool ASAP to make him freak out, hahaha
now run into the setting sun, and suffer, but don't mess up your hair.
Graham
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada1259 Posts
October 23 2010 01:27 GMT
#3
I've personally never "fake cheesed" (nor do I cheese in general, as I'm a heavy macro Terran user), but I do sometimes like to "accidentally say to [all] instead of [allies]" that I am going for a banshee or reaper rush, hahaha.

I find a TON of players, especially in the lower leagues tend to do a LOT of cheesing, and do it decently (probably because if it works = win most of the time, and if it fails they just die over). As a result I tend to play conservative (no fast expand builds) and scout pretty heavily because as long as I know its coming I can stop it 9/10 times and take the easy win since they fall over once the cheese fails.
aeoliant
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada361 Posts
October 23 2010 01:49 GMT
#4
One time on steppes I opened 6-pool but for some reason he sent his 6th scv (i guess the metagame is 6pool haha) to scout so i abandoned ship and just built some queens and expanded. When I scouted his base next he had a fortress built and little scvs with his rines still standing guard for a rush that wasnt coming hahahaha.
Antiochus
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada548 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 02:23:03
October 23 2010 02:18 GMT
#5
Edit: wrong thread, if a mod sees this delete please and thank you.
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Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 02:20:04
October 23 2010 02:19 GMT
#6
One thing I loved to do at D- / D on Iccup as a Protoss against a Terran... usually did this on Heartbreak Ridge:

DT Rush - this will make the terran turtle up and build a lot of turrets. They will be afraid of going anywhere since they probably aren't great at using scan yet.

Then take the nat and a third and go for a macro game, just use DTs to contain / snipe expo attempts.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 02:27:29
October 23 2010 02:24 GMT
#7
<wrong thread>
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 02:31:28
October 23 2010 02:31 GMT
#8
i rarely cheese but my early-mid game is where i shine and my lategame is where i fall (I forget to macro, i dont expo up, i have no map control, im in chaos and loss) in both BW and SC2
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