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Duckvillelol
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia1259 Posts
October 23 2010 00:28 GMT
#1
G'day folks.

I got to thinking - do people ever use the veil of "oh noes I'm on battle.net, this guy is going to cheese me"?

I almost never cheese when I'm laddering - it's not a 'moral' standpoint on the issue or anything like that - I just generally don't ever do it because I'm a little bit more of a macro player. This seems to shine through in my wins, almost every time the game goes over 25 minutes, I seem to win. I'm not claiming I'm a (P)BeSt-style macro master or anything, it just seems that while my early game is pretty crappy, later on macro is my shindig.

Back on track - I was thinking about whether people pretend to cheese while covering another risky play - so I decided to give it a shot.

PvP on Blistering sands (one of my least favourite maps), and I decided to cover an 'eco cheese' (15nexus or something around that) with a 'military cheese'. I will admit, it was unfortunate for the other player that he didn't scout the early nexus properly, and that's obviously what cost me the game, however - if a mediocre player such as myself can get this to work in (lol) low diamond, can pro players do it?

Replay below, as mentioned above yes I know it was mainly the other guys fault for not scouting correctly - but have you ever attempted to 'cover your tracks' with a fake-cheese? Better yet - does anyone know if any pros have done anything of this style?

Also I've uploaded a few nice vods onto my youtube recently, show a brother-nerd some love and let me know if you like the vods or not! :D www.youtube.com/duckvillelol

Cheers.

Replay

Former SC2 commentator. youtube.com/duckvillelol
.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
October 23 2010 00:34 GMT
#2
I get cheesed basically every game. I'd like to think I'm getting pretty good at punishing the other player for it, too.

And fake-cheesing.. interesting idea. If I played Zerg and saw an early scout, I'd probably slap down a pool ASAP to make him freak out, hahaha
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Graham
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada1259 Posts
October 23 2010 01:27 GMT
#3
I've personally never "fake cheesed" (nor do I cheese in general, as I'm a heavy macro Terran user), but I do sometimes like to "accidentally say to [all] instead of [allies]" that I am going for a banshee or reaper rush, hahaha.

I find a TON of players, especially in the lower leagues tend to do a LOT of cheesing, and do it decently (probably because if it works = win most of the time, and if it fails they just die over). As a result I tend to play conservative (no fast expand builds) and scout pretty heavily because as long as I know its coming I can stop it 9/10 times and take the easy win since they fall over once the cheese fails.
aeoliant
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada361 Posts
October 23 2010 01:49 GMT
#4
One time on steppes I opened 6-pool but for some reason he sent his 6th scv (i guess the metagame is 6pool haha) to scout so i abandoned ship and just built some queens and expanded. When I scouted his base next he had a fortress built and little scvs with his rines still standing guard for a rush that wasnt coming hahahaha.
Antiochus
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada548 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 02:23:03
October 23 2010 02:18 GMT
#5
Edit: wrong thread, if a mod sees this delete please and thank you.
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Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 02:20:04
October 23 2010 02:19 GMT
#6
One thing I loved to do at D- / D on Iccup as a Protoss against a Terran... usually did this on Heartbreak Ridge:

DT Rush - this will make the terran turtle up and build a lot of turrets. They will be afraid of going anywhere since they probably aren't great at using scan yet.

Then take the nat and a third and go for a macro game, just use DTs to contain / snipe expo attempts.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 02:27:29
October 23 2010 02:24 GMT
#7
<wrong thread>
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 02:31:28
October 23 2010 02:31 GMT
#8
i rarely cheese but my early-mid game is where i shine and my lategame is where i fall (I forget to macro, i dont expo up, i have no map control, im in chaos and loss) in both BW and SC2
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