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urban_attack
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Poland88 Posts
October 20 2010 12:05 GMT
#1
Hello!

I tried to search if this was posted here anywhere but it seems that it wasn't.

On this site you'll find a petition, which goal is to pressure governments and organizations to take action againts world hunger. Go on and spread the word :

http://www.1billionhungry.org/




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SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
October 20 2010 12:34 GMT
#2
I read something recently that the problem with hunger isn't overpopulation.
Despite that is what people are being told, we have more than enough food.

The problem is the inaccessibility to it - poverty, war, etc.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-20 12:44:06
October 20 2010 12:41 GMT
#3
sure , take action by sending them farm equipment and seeds and getting them to grow it themselves.heck send some experts over there to teach the locals if need be , it would work out cheaper in the long run.

giving them free food just undermines local farmers , who would pay (or barter etc) when they could get food for free?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Rabbitmaster
Profile Joined August 2010
1357 Posts
October 20 2010 12:44 GMT
#4
On October 20 2010 21:34 SCC-Faust wrote:
I read something recently that the problem with hunger isn't overpopulation.
Despite that is what people are being told, we have more than enough food.

The problem is the inaccessibility to it - poverty, war, etc.


Yeah well just look at the food stores in most developed countries. They throw away tons of food every week because they cant sell it all.

Fortunately for the food stores, much of the food is made in the undeveloped countries, and thus, very cheap. I.e they can throw away all that food and still make a huge profit.
God is dead.
roflpie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Estonia93 Posts
October 20 2010 12:46 GMT
#5
Great, so they can breed even more and you get more hungry people. It'll come to a point where the planet can't sustain that many people. I don't mind helping out places that have lived through a major catastrophe, but in most of the cases the people are responsible for their own hunger and have brought it upon themselves and foreign food aid is just amplifying it. For example the farmers who try to do some farming in some places of Africa find it ultimately pointless, because no one will buy their goods due to foreign food aid. Teach them proper farming techniques so you'll have even faster population growth? No, thanks. 20 billion people living packed in cities is just plain ugly.
Rabbitmaster
Profile Joined August 2010
1357 Posts
October 20 2010 12:48 GMT
#6
On October 20 2010 21:41 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
sure , take action by sending them farm equipment and seeds and getting them to grow it themselves.heck send some experts over there to teach the locals if need be , it would work out cheaper in the long run.

giving them free food just undermines local farmers , who would pay (or barter etc) when they could get food for free?


This sounds great in principle, but is kind of undermined by corrupt governments, corporate greed etc. Why would the, lets say somalian, farmer sell his food to the poor and starving people in his country, when europeans/americans/whatever can pay much more for it? Or do you want every single starving person to become a farmer?
God is dead.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-20 13:40:24
October 20 2010 13:39 GMT
#7
On October 20 2010 21:48 Rabbitmaster wrote:
This sounds great in principle, but is kind of undermined by corrupt governments, corporate greed etc. Why would the, lets say somalian, farmer sell his food to the poor and starving people in his country, when europeans/americans/whatever can pay much more for it? Or do you want every single starving person to become a farmer?

Whats your solution if not to get them growing their own food? keep sending them free stuff while their population doubles every 30 years? Lol good one dude.

Having them all working in agriculture wouldn't be so bad since there isn't really any other jobs for them.When was the last time you picked up something at the store that was made in Ethiopia?.

Whats stopping their government from imposing a ban on all food exports from their country? that way all food grown stays in the country.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-20 13:46:38
October 20 2010 13:42 GMT
#8
On October 20 2010 21:46 roflpie wrote:
Great, so they can breed even more and you get more hungry people. It'll come to a point where the planet can't sustain that many people. I don't mind helping out places that have lived through a major catastrophe, but in most of the cases the people are responsible for their own hunger and have brought it upon themselves and foreign food aid is just amplifying it. For example the farmers who try to do some farming in some places of Africa find it ultimately pointless, because no one will buy their goods due to foreign food aid. Teach them proper farming techniques so you'll have even faster population growth? No, thanks. 20 billion people living packed in cities is just plain ugly.

the main problem is theres too much population for the fertility of the land , this is worsened by the fact there isn't electricity in these places so people burn wood (and also dung) for fuel.So they cut down the trees for fuel and the place becomes a desert thus making the issue worse.

Giving them free food won't help them in the long run but it will make things worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19050 Posts
October 20 2010 13:49 GMT
#9
On October 20 2010 21:41 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
sure , take action by sending them farm equipment and seeds and getting them to grow it themselves.heck send some experts over there to teach the locals if need be , it would work out cheaper in the long run.

giving them free food just undermines local farmers , who would pay (or barter etc) when they could get food for free?

The problem is that local warlords steal/destroy the equipment and supplies so that people have to come to them to get food (ie: live), which keeps them in power.
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Romantic
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1844 Posts
October 20 2010 13:50 GMT
#10
Perhaps the USA and the EU should quit subsidizing their farms, eh? Lets start there.
Ation
Profile Joined July 2008
Finland102 Posts
October 20 2010 14:08 GMT
#11
These types of things are the ultimate pain of being alive...

If you get food, you will get f*'d up anyways by something else. Since the beginning of time humankind has found ways to mess up the normal life by being unsatisfied. For example in "the world's best country to live in" Finland people tend to become really melancholy and sad for absolutely no true reason. There is no way to have a perfect life and the surroundings just make you QQ about what sucks in your life rather than making you live with what you got.

I don't believe there is a solution to make Earth a perfect place for everyone :S. And those who attempt to hold the burden of everyone in the whole wide world on their shoulders really fail to impress me. Call me cold or evil, but I'm not feelin' this.

PS. I try to be really polite and helpful to everyone AROUND ME (= my world), but I don't attempt to become the savior of the Earth which I would absolutely never be able to become.
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
October 20 2010 15:41 GMT
#12
Well a lot of the locals do farm... but not for themselves. Let's look at Zimbabwe for example. They have a LOT of farm land. But most of it grows peanuts strictly for export to America and Europe so that we can go down to the local super market, and pick up a bottle of peanut oil for $3.

It makes sense for the farmers. Peanuts are the crop they can sell for the most. However, years of planting peanuts in the same soil turns the soil horridly barren, and causes a lack of food. A poor country such as Zimbabwe, with plentiful farmland, is IMPORTING its food, and exporting what it grows. Thousands of people are starving because instead of growing food for themselves and their families to eat, they are growing crops that we, (lumping all of the "1st world" together), have told them to over the years.

Name a product that you take for granted. Somewhere out there in the world is a family or country getting royally screwed over trying to produce it for you. Sure we can say that we sympathize, or wish things were better, but honestly until we're willing to give up the incredibly cheap goods that we're used to, our demand on the market only serves to worsen the situation.
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
Romantic
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1844 Posts
October 20 2010 17:01 GMT
#13
On October 21 2010 00:41 Haemonculus wrote:
Well a lot of the locals do farm... but not for themselves. Let's look at Zimbabwe for example. They have a LOT of farm land. But most of it grows peanuts strictly for export to America and Europe so that we can go down to the local super market, and pick up a bottle of peanut oil for $3.

It makes sense for the farmers. Peanuts are the crop they can sell for the most. However, years of planting peanuts in the same soil turns the soil horridly barren, and causes a lack of food. A poor country such as Zimbabwe, with plentiful farmland, is IMPORTING its food, and exporting what it grows. Thousands of people are starving because instead of growing food for themselves and their families to eat, they are growing crops that we, (lumping all of the "1st world" together), have told them to over the years.

Name a product that you take for granted. Somewhere out there in the world is a family or country getting royally screwed over trying to produce it for you. Sure we can say that we sympathize, or wish things were better, but honestly until we're willing to give up the incredibly cheap goods that we're used to, our demand on the market only serves to worsen the situation.

Zimbabwe has problems because it has a broken and corrupt government, redistributed land from competent white farmers, has government spending at 60% of GDP and finances it through inflating the currency, participated in wars with the Congo, has massive taxes, and is being sanctioned by the United States combined with droughts in neighboring nations.

Cash crops are not a bad thing. That is the silly. We are not exploiting anyone by going to a grocery store and buying peanuts from Zimbabwe and plastic toys from China. Do you know what they did before they worked in the factory making plastic toys? Lived and died trying to survive on subsistence-level farms on land they likely didn't even own themselves.
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
October 20 2010 17:40 GMT
#14
On October 21 2010 02:01 Romantic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2010 00:41 Haemonculus wrote:
Well a lot of the locals do farm... but not for themselves. Let's look at Zimbabwe for example. They have a LOT of farm land. But most of it grows peanuts strictly for export to America and Europe so that we can go down to the local super market, and pick up a bottle of peanut oil for $3.

It makes sense for the farmers. Peanuts are the crop they can sell for the most. However, years of planting peanuts in the same soil turns the soil horridly barren, and causes a lack of food. A poor country such as Zimbabwe, with plentiful farmland, is IMPORTING its food, and exporting what it grows. Thousands of people are starving because instead of growing food for themselves and their families to eat, they are growing crops that we, (lumping all of the "1st world" together), have told them to over the years.

Name a product that you take for granted. Somewhere out there in the world is a family or country getting royally screwed over trying to produce it for you. Sure we can say that we sympathize, or wish things were better, but honestly until we're willing to give up the incredibly cheap goods that we're used to, our demand on the market only serves to worsen the situation.

Zimbabwe has problems because it has a broken and corrupt government, redistributed land from competent white farmers, has government spending at 60% of GDP and finances it through inflating the currency, participated in wars with the Congo, has massive taxes, and is being sanctioned by the United States combined with droughts in neighboring nations.

Cash crops are not a bad thing. That is the silly. We are not exploiting anyone by going to a grocery store and buying peanuts from Zimbabwe and plastic toys from China. Do you know what they did before they worked in the factory making plastic toys? Lived and died trying to survive on subsistence-level farms on land they likely didn't even own themselves.

Cash crops are great for the government, and the guys who run farms. They're pretty awful for the peasant farmers.

Again, we as the 1st world have a lot more to do with this than we like to believe. It's easy to point at the corrupt government and say "it's all those jerks' fault", but our influence is staggering. For example, we subsidize their cash crops. We give them farming technology, hybridized seeds, genetically altered crops, fertilizer, etc, but only for cash crops. We quite frankly don't give a shit about their millet crop, which the locals will then use to feed themselves. Coffee, Tobacco, Sugar, Cotton, etc. Those are the products that *we* care about, and so those are the farms that get our aid. We happily send equipment and aid to farms which grow the crops we want them to.

Cash crops are fantastic for the guys in charge. They control the crops at the end of the day, and sell them to the USA, EU, and Asia, making quite a profit. A lot of that profit goes into these warlord's personal military expenditure, or is spent on western luxuries. This system of supporting cash-crop farms over sustenance farms would work great if the local governments were as benevolent as we'd like them to be. Like you said, corruption is rampant. But we still support such a system because it allows us the goods we've become accustomed to.

It comes down to what you consider success. Do we want to see the peasant farmers feeding themselves and their families while the country's GDP falls, or do we want to see the peasants starve while the nation reports record profits, with the upper class coming closer to what we consider a "reasonable standard of living"? It sucks whichever way you look at it. We just need to decide whether or not we value the lives of the working poor in these countries.

At the end of the day though, roughly 30,000 children under the age of 6 will starve to death worldwide every day. With numbers like that, it's hard to care about the individual, and so a government's swelling purse may well look like a step in the right direction.
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
Romantic
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1844 Posts
October 20 2010 18:23 GMT
#15
On October 21 2010 02:40 Haemonculus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2010 02:01 Romantic wrote:
On October 21 2010 00:41 Haemonculus wrote:
Well a lot of the locals do farm... but not for themselves. Let's look at Zimbabwe for example. They have a LOT of farm land. But most of it grows peanuts strictly for export to America and Europe so that we can go down to the local super market, and pick up a bottle of peanut oil for $3.

It makes sense for the farmers. Peanuts are the crop they can sell for the most. However, years of planting peanuts in the same soil turns the soil horridly barren, and causes a lack of food. A poor country such as Zimbabwe, with plentiful farmland, is IMPORTING its food, and exporting what it grows. Thousands of people are starving because instead of growing food for themselves and their families to eat, they are growing crops that we, (lumping all of the "1st world" together), have told them to over the years.

Name a product that you take for granted. Somewhere out there in the world is a family or country getting royally screwed over trying to produce it for you. Sure we can say that we sympathize, or wish things were better, but honestly until we're willing to give up the incredibly cheap goods that we're used to, our demand on the market only serves to worsen the situation.

Zimbabwe has problems because it has a broken and corrupt government, redistributed land from competent white farmers, has government spending at 60% of GDP and finances it through inflating the currency, participated in wars with the Congo, has massive taxes, and is being sanctioned by the United States combined with droughts in neighboring nations.

Cash crops are not a bad thing. That is the silly. We are not exploiting anyone by going to a grocery store and buying peanuts from Zimbabwe and plastic toys from China. Do you know what they did before they worked in the factory making plastic toys? Lived and died trying to survive on subsistence-level farms on land they likely didn't even own themselves.

Cash crops are great for the government, and the guys who run farms. They're pretty awful for the peasant farmers.

Again, we as the 1st world have a lot more to do with this than we like to believe. It's easy to point at the corrupt government and say "it's all those jerks' fault", but our influence is staggering. For example, we subsidize their cash crops. We give them farming technology, hybridized seeds, genetically altered crops, fertilizer, etc, but only for cash crops. We quite frankly don't give a shit about their millet crop, which the locals will then use to feed themselves. Coffee, Tobacco, Sugar, Cotton, etc. Those are the products that *we* care about, and so those are the farms that get our aid. We happily send equipment and aid to farms which grow the crops we want them to.

Cash crops are fantastic for the guys in charge. They control the crops at the end of the day, and sell them to the USA, EU, and Asia, making quite a profit. A lot of that profit goes into these warlord's personal military expenditure, or is spent on western luxuries. This system of supporting cash-crop farms over sustenance farms would work great if the local governments were as benevolent as we'd like them to be. Like you said, corruption is rampant. But we still support such a system because it allows us the goods we've become accustomed to.

It comes down to what you consider success. Do we want to see the peasant farmers feeding themselves and their families while the country's GDP falls, or do we want to see the peasants starve while the nation reports record profits, with the upper class coming closer to what we consider a "reasonable standard of living"? It sucks whichever way you look at it. We just need to decide whether or not we value the lives of the working poor in these countries.

At the end of the day though, roughly 30,000 children under the age of 6 will starve to death worldwide every day. With numbers like that, it's hard to care about the individual, and so a government's swelling purse may well look like a step in the right direction.


Zimbabwe's problems are massive and not the result of westerners, knock that off. I am not a Zimbabwe expert and I have no ideas what sort of warlords problems they have (they have, its none of my business trying to fix it for them), but the idea that you can help people by not buying their product because a warlord might take some of it is morally and intellectually bankrupt. If you want them to get nothing instead of something, by all means, go ahead and boycott the product.

I don't know what you mean by "we" supporting cash crops and nothing else without any citations. Just taking a look at the US embassy in Zimbabwe's website you'll find numerous grants for everything from corporate social responsibility to sustaining subsistence farming:

http://harare.usembassy.gov/2010pr.html

http://harare.usembassy.gov/prize_2010.html

http://www.usaid.gov/our_work/humanitarian_assistance/ffp/zimbabwe.fs.09.21.10.pdf

From USAID: "The 2009/10 agricultural season resulted in above average cereal production throughout the country. Staple cereals (maize, sorghum, and millet) are currently generally available and expected to remain so through September 2010."

I don't know what exactly it is you want
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
October 20 2010 18:39 GMT
#16
Online petitions hold no weight, there's no real point in signing it. If you want to help hunger donate your money or your time, don't feel good cause you signed something online.
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