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Linux will never jeopardize Windows in a way Firefox and Chrome are doing with Internet Explorer.
Linux is still too weird and fucked.
I installed ubuntu netbook edition on my netbook and wasted a shitload of time getting my wireless drivers to work, and then with the next auto-update, they don't work again.
People who say Linux is nowadays as user-friendly and easy to use as Windows - are just plain wrong. You have no idea how frustrating it is to type weird shit you have no idea what the meaning of is in linux terminals, crossing your fingers it works like some ubergeek on the internet said it would.
If you need your computer for serious personal use i.e. you don't want the computer itself be the object of your attention, but rather what you reach thru the computer, DON'T USE LINUX.
Let's use the analogy of computer being your personal bodyguard. It has a function you want it to do.
Windows is a mature, well trained soldier who is independent of you and takes care of you. You sometimes forget it exists, coz you can lean on it.
Linux is a super-trained child assassin from the civil wars in Africa. It has higher hit percentages when it comes to shootings, it runs faster and climbs trees - all to better protect you. But this child is immature, has been neglected by its parents and is unprepared to live as a fully functional organism. It has episodes of angst where you end up bodyguarding it rather than the other way around.
And just sometimes, this child bodyguard shoots its own boss.
Thanks, but no thanks, Linux.
 
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I only use Linux when I download warez because it makes me feel more hardcore.
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I actually REALLY like using linux....
However, I do have to agree that before using linux one has to go through hell if one is not technologically-minded/Tech-savvy.
I got someone else to set it up for me, so I can enjoy the benefits without having to go through the pain XD
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Zurich15325 Posts
On October 15 2010 19:56 niteReloaded wrote:
Linux will never jeopardize Windows in a way Firefox and Chrome are doing with Internet Explorer.
Plain wrong.
Yes, Linux will not replace Windows on the desktop market. So what? Desktops are boring 2000 technology anyway.
How many Windows phones are still out there? How many Linux phones (Hint: Android is a Linux system)? Take all computing devices together and Linux is a massive thread to Windows.
Also since I switched my sister and my mom to Linux I get way way way less computer support calls. For people who have next to no clue and for people who actually have a clue about computer Linux is great. It's the big part of people in the middle who have some clue who are better served with Windows.
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Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
Can't agree more with you even though I am probably one of those geeks.
Linux is pretty good as a development environment - much more flexible - and as server software doing all kinds of stuff.
But when it comes to using it as a general-purpose desktop, even Ubuntu sucks. You never know when something will randomly stop working or your system will refuse to boot altogether.
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yeah there was a time when people read manuals.
as zatic said, if you dont only look at the desktop market, linux is the major player that windows is afraid of.
And if you dont want to invest some time to get to know your OS, why did you even consider using linux? Just stay with Windows if it works for you and you cant be bothered to get into another OS.
Windows isnt Linux, so dont expect it to work like Windows and RTFM :p
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The strength and flexibility linux offers the "ubergeek" as you put it far outweigh the little niggles for me, and I've been using it as my main desktop for about a decade now. I do agree with you wholeheartedly, or at least I did, before my girlfriend decided she was going to have ubuntu on her laptop with no experience whatsoever.
Yes, it's completely broken itself. Twice. She did manage to reinstall it once with my help and once without, and for almost a year since she's been using it without a hitch.
I don't think a single person represents the majority, but it has opened my mind a bit. It can be done, in other words.
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Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
On October 15 2010 20:26 zatic wrote:
Also since I switched my sister and my mom to Linux I get way way way less computer support calls. For people who have next to no clue and for people who actually have a clue about computer Linux is great. It's the big part of people in the middle who have some clue who are better served with Windows.
No offence, but it is very likely that you see it this way because you want to see it this way. I used to be a huge Linux enthusiast too and was seeing it the same way for a while.
Just for example, Ubuntu recently had this very nasty update bug, which resulted in an unbootable system. Even as someone with tech support experience I spent half a day recovering from that. Fuck ups like this are much less likely to happen on Windows in its current state.
Also, I don't see how the embedded devices argument is relevant. I think the OP was clearly referring to desktops in particular.
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I could easily be considered geek too, I'm the person my neighboorhood calls when they have comp problems. But it was still stressing to install the drivers.
On October 15 2010 20:26 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2010 19:56 niteReloaded wrote:
Linux will never jeopardize Windows in a way Firefox and Chrome are doing with Internet Explorer. Plain wrong. Yes, Linux will not replace Windows on the desktop market. So what? Desktops are boring 2000 technology anyway. How many Windows phones are still out there? How many Linux phones (Hint: Android is a Linux system)? Take all computing devices together and Linux is a massive thread to Windows. Also since I switched my sister and my mom to Linux I get way way way less computer support calls. For people who have next to no clue and for people who actually have a clue about computer Linux is great. It's the big part of people in the middle who have some clue who are better served with Windows.
I agree with that part, I was having desktops in mind.
btw, Android is done by Google, no wonder it's successfull. Apparently Google are the only people who know how to correctly approach building open source stuff.
On October 15 2010 20:34 LiminalMadness wrote:
yeah there was a time when people read manuals.
as zatic said, if you dont only look at the desktop market, linux is the major player that windows is afraid of.
And if you dont want to invest some time to get to know your OS, why did you even consider using linux? Just stay with Windows if it works for you and you cant be bothered to get into another OS.
Windows isnt Linux, so dont expect it to work like Windows and RTFM :p
I just like trying stuff out, but obviously this trip didn't end that well.
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Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
On October 15 2010 20:34 LiminalMadness wrote:
yeah there was a time when people read manuals.
This is true, but you shouldn't expect an average desktop user to know the ins and outs of the system just to be able to operate it.
Like you don't put the details of how the engine works in your car manual, because the car user should not be bothered with that. At most he should know how to change the engine oil and switch the wheels around.
That is unless he wants to be able to modify how the engine works, in which case Linux is just perfect 
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Fear the day HP turns out their own linux distribution
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Linux probably isn't suited to your needs. That isn't Linux' fault. Don't say the bike is broken because you have no leggs. It's generally for IT professionals, namely sysadmins and penetration testers, as well as developers. Linux has windows beat on a couple of areas, such as it's much less restrictive in nature. If you don't need any of Linux' 1-ups over windows, then stick with windows.
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On October 15 2010 20:46 niteReloaded wrote:I could easily be considered geek too, I'm the person my neighboorhood calls when they have comp problems. But it was still stressing to install the drivers. Show nested quote +On October 15 2010 20:26 zatic wrote:On October 15 2010 19:56 niteReloaded wrote:
Linux will never jeopardize Windows in a way Firefox and Chrome are doing with Internet Explorer. Plain wrong. Yes, Linux will not replace Windows on the desktop market. So what? Desktops are boring 2000 technology anyway. How many Windows phones are still out there? How many Linux phones (Hint: Android is a Linux system)? Take all computing devices together and Linux is a massive thread to Windows. Also since I switched my sister and my mom to Linux I get way way way less computer support calls. For people who have next to no clue and for people who actually have a clue about computer Linux is great. It's the big part of people in the middle who have some clue who are better served with Windows. I agree with that part, I was having desktops in mind. btw, Android is done by Google, no wonder it's successfull. Apparently Google are the only people who know how to correctly approach building open source stuff.
A major difference is that Google built Android and after that there were device makers who made a system that will run Android properly. Including good driver support. You mentioned wireless not working which is a major theme with Linux related problems, but Android won't suffer from such things. (For Linux on the desktop it's waiting for cooperation of hardware vendors)
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If you have no clue how to handle yourself around a computer, then yeah, stick with windows.
But a decent linux distro is so much more powerful, versatile and reliable if you actually know what you're doing.
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Actually started to build a Ubuntu Server yesterday. Without knowing anything about Linux. 4 hours spent on google trying to find out what the hell should I do. Will continue after I get home from work.
NEVER GIVE UP, NEVER SURRENDER!!!
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Except your mature bodyguard is hired by your father/employer/whoever. He does what he was told to, and doesn't give a shit about what you want. The kid however, is totally your own slave. Yes, it can go out of control if you have no skills whatsoever, but otherwise it does whatever you want.
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If you can't handle the simple task of keeping the correct drivers up to date why bother?
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I know I'll probably get a lot of flak for this, but I find OS X a really nice middle ground. I only use it on my laptop, but I love that I have the power of BSD/UNIX and bash while still having a really nice GUI and obviously no issues with drivers or anything like that. Plus TextMate is amazing, and I spend just as much time in Terminal as a Linux user probably would, just with much better font rendering and an awesome GUI. :>
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Guhhh. Target Ubuntu atleast don't take down the whole ship lol.
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Really the problem is you know how to use windows, and you don't know how to use linux. I had many of the same complaints until I became a more competent Linux user, but once you know what you are doing they are about the same.
My only complaint about linux is driver support is lacking and you can't play a lot of games on it, but it works great for my media server, better then windows would, unless we are talking about windows server 2003/2008 in which case I would still need to be learning a large amount of things that are unique to sever edition, just like I had to for linux
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Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
On October 15 2010 21:50 gillon wrote:
If you have no clue how to handle yourself around a computer, then yeah, stick with windows.
But a decent linux distro is so much more powerful, versatile and reliable if you actually know what you're doing.
That's just not true. If you know how to handle Windows properly, it can be just as powerful and reliable. Unfortunately, Linux is not some magic tool that will make you a wizard hacker and your life easy, it is just another OS with its own advantages and disadvantages.
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Sorry, but I couldn't help laughing at times while reading this. It's nice to know there are still people who think that way. It means there's still a lot to improve. Linux is community-driven, and far more able to suit the needs of the human being, in the end. It may take some more time until it reaches near perfection at that, of course. But one thing is sure, no top-down corporate OS can compete with it. Just compare the margin of improvement within the past decade. It's literally mind-blowing.
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Ubuntu is a superior OS for novice pc users in my eyes. Won't be a disease-ridden monstrosity after a month or two and is arguably more intuitive to use for someone unfamiliar with Windows.
Lack of 3rd party support is a shame and results in stumbling on some terminal hocus pocus to get stuff working sometimes. But you can hardly blame a lack of vendor support on Linux.
I'm curious if HTML5 will cause Microsoft to lose a chunk of its desktop market share at all. Web applications will become a lot more versatile and graphic applications (such as games) can be run in your browser without the need for a plug-in. While browsers likely won't have the horsepower to run a game like SC2, maybe increased use & development of WebGL/OpenGL will tempt more desktop developers into using OpenGL.
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Wait and see when chrome OS comes out. It could be a real competitor for windows in the netbook market.
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Thats pretty closed minded dude. You tried linux this one time for an hour and it didn't work? You've only proved that you have low patience and absurdly high expectations of technology. If you've ever tried to do anything with windows beyond the topmost crust of it's user friendliness you'll find a clusterfuck of contradictions and confusion. The crust isn't as thick in linux, but at least the filling tastes good.
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I love using Linux! It's harder to learn and much less user friendly, but once you learn it, it's much better than windows. I just have to open the terminal, type a command, and it does work. In windows, I have to go through a bunch of menus, open a bunch of windows, and then I can configure stuff.
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There are huge areas of improvement but unless you're looking for very specific things, Linux based systems can work like a charm. If you happen to be in need in of those things, you're unfotunately out of luck. However, this works the other way around just as well but as most people are completyely unfamiliar with Linux they won't notice and thus voice their dissatisfaction from a skewed perspective. In most cases lack of driver support is not even Linux's fault at all.
You're practically just condemning the whole damn thing out of spite over a bad experience.
Even so, I don't entirely disagree. I've always been a huge linux fan and in 2005 things really seemed to be looking up with ubuntu maturing into a reliable and easy to use Desktop OS. But since then, every release of a major distribution was more disappointing than the last. They sure learned to dress up nicer but under the hood it only got messier.
There was more effort put into ideological disputes and consequently wasted on replacing perfectly fine subsystems instead of the things that actually needed fixing or never existed in the first place.
In the end it's all a giant clusterfuck anyway. Windows, Linux, OSX and everything else alike. We only put up with it because it's the best we've got even though it's garbage.
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I have no idea how to use windows it is a completely alien system to me.
Linux always behaves in the way I expect it to.
Personal experience.
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On October 16 2010 00:19 figq wrote:
Linux is community-driven, and far more able to suit the needs of the human being, in the end. It may take some more time until it reaches near perfection at that, of course. But one thing is sure, no top-down corporate OS can compete with it. Just compare the margin of improvement within the past decade. It's literally mind-blowing.
Any evidence to back up your claims of why linux is superior?
On October 16 2010 01:25 Lexpar wrote:
Thats pretty closed minded dude. You tried linux this one time for an hour and it didn't work? You've only proved that you have low patience and absurdly high expectations of technology. If you've ever tried to do anything with windows beyond the topmost crust of it's user friendliness you'll find a clusterfuck of contradictions and confusion. The crust isn't as thick in linux, but at least the filling tastes good.
Yeah, 99% of the world have the same attitude as the OP. Linux won't take off as a OS unless everything can be done using buttons and menus. Most people aren't going to understand how to use terminal. Android is popular because people don't suffer from the same problems that plagues linux as a desktop OS.
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Almost everything can be done with buttons and menus with ubuntu right now, from partitioning disk to configuration of your display monitor. I don't think that linux is that far behind.
Ubuntu Netbook Remix right now still has a few trouble with hardware in some specific netbooks which you can totally find in their wiki page listing all the bug and how usable the OS is on a certain system. UNR works out of box for me with no problem at all.
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you are obviously not a cs major.
I don't see why you would bother
I only use linux for school and research
windows is for entertainment (sc2)
hehehe
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The only reason to use windows is that a lot of popular software (sc2) is written for windows.
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Linux still has many strong points.
Windows-based networks are still rather unstable. My computer account in my department recently broke because of some unknown Windows bug.
Just because one graphic driver did not work for you means NOTHING to the general population.
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Linux has, and always will be more difficult to master than windows. That is because they expect a certain level of knowledge for its use. For example, there are people who have been using windows for over a decade and have no idea was cmd.exe is. Whereas to use linux to a fraction of its potential you will be familiar with bash in a matter of weeks.
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On October 16 2010 02:16 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2010 01:25 Lexpar wrote:
Thats pretty closed minded dude. You tried linux this one time for an hour and it didn't work? You've only proved that you have low patience and absurdly high expectations of technology. If you've ever tried to do anything with windows beyond the topmost crust of it's user friendliness you'll find a clusterfuck of contradictions and confusion. The crust isn't as thick in linux, but at least the filling tastes good. Yeah, 99% of the world have the same attitude as the OP. Linux won't take off as a OS unless everything can be done using buttons and menus. Most people aren't going to understand how to use terminal. Android is popular because people don't suffer from the same problems that plagues linux as a desktop OS.
Using KDE on a distribution that comes with YaST will give you more options than you actually care for. On the other hand GNOME deliberately limits their config in order not to overwhelm the user.
In the end configuration is irrelevant either way. You expect Windows to work just as much as you would anything else.
What really stops Linux is lack of support. Vendors and otherwise. There are no applications because there is no considerable user base and deployment being a nightmare does not exactly help. How can you expect the masses to even consider Linux if the people who are most interested don't make the switch.
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I remember the first time I ever used Ubuntu i was looking for .exe files XD. But then i got used to the new environment. Sadly running games like SC:BW is a pain in the ass to set up and its not really stable.
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Linux is awesome if its for development/hosting any kind of server service, but yeah... there isn't any reason to install ubuntu over windows 7 for a home general use/gaming machine other than price.
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On October 16 2010 03:44 Wr3k wrote:
Linux is awesome if its for development/hosting any kind of server service, but yeah... there isn't any reason to install ubuntu over windows 7 for a home general use/gaming machine other than price.
I use Ubuntu for porn and other high risk browsing because I'm bad with computers. I guess there are ways to make Windows safe for that kind of stuff but it would take more than the 20 minutes it took to set up Ubuntu with Wubi.
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Linux is a much more specialized form of operating system - its not targeted for the average user.
Maybe one day it will be stream lined enough where the average person can easily operate it with little to no glitches, but I find that not as likely.
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Calgary25977 Posts
I know I've gotten old, because I no longer want full control of my computer. I want something I plug in and it guesses all my settings as best it can. I want 4 or 5 options, outside of which, it can control everything else.
I'm okay with this
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On October 16 2010 06:15 Chill wrote:I know I've gotten old, because I no longer want full control of my computer. I want something I plug in and it guesses all my settings as best it can. I want 4 or 5 options, outside of which, it can control everything else. I'm okay with this
Yeah, sane default settings are a problem with a lot of free software. Some of it has great potential but is just too overwhelming due to almost unusable default settings and a ridiculous amount of configuration options.
Most developers are terrible designers and because noone is in charge you get a user interface mess ontop of that. Not very helpful for someone who just wants to get going.
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Some people pointed out the terminal as a plus side of linux.. :S
Well, before we used windows, we typed shit in DOS. I'm not going back to that, thanks. There's nothing that the terminal offers that can't be done in a normal, intuitive way.
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On October 16 2010 07:17 niteReloaded wrote:
Some people pointed out the terminal as a plus side of linux.. :S
Well, before we used windows, we typed shit in DOS. I'm not going back to that, thanks. There's nothing that the terminal offers that can't be done in a normal, intuitive way.
some would disagree. i was talking to the president of the linux-users club at my university and he(as well as most the club) prefer a terminal to gui, even for writing papers and stuff. he wasn't even a developer or anything, he just picked up linux one day for fun and fell in love with it.
it's really just personal opinion, unless you're a sysadmin or something like that who needs to use a terminal to efficiently do your job.
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Canada606 Posts
On October 16 2010 07:17 niteReloaded wrote:
Some people pointed out the terminal as a plus side of linux.. :S
Well, before we used windows, we typed shit in DOS. I'm not going back to that, thanks. There's nothing that the terminal offers that can't be done in a normal, intuitive way.
You cannot do input/output redirection or pipes with a GUI. Furthermore, most tasks can be completed faster with the terminal than with the GUI. For example, if I need to kill a process in Windows I need to hit CTRL+ALT+DEL, open the task manager, find the process and click "End Process". With Linux I type in: ps aux | grep <NAME OF PROCESS>; kill <PROCESS ID>
Say I have 100 photo images in a directory which I need to resize. I can type in apt-cache search batch image resize; which will print out a list of programs for me. Then type in apt-get install <APPLICATION NAME>. In this example I type into the terminal mogrify -r <NEW RESOLUTION> *. With Windows, I'd have to spend a lot more time online sifting through free apps to do this for me.
But you know the best part of my Linux installation? Every-time my laptop boots up, it boots up the same way, at the same speed and everything works like it did last week. Linux delivers consistency Windows users could only dream of.
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On October 16 2010 07:17 niteReloaded wrote:
Some people pointed out the terminal as a plus side of linux.. :S
Well, before we used windows, we typed shit in DOS. I'm not going back to that, thanks. There's nothing that the terminal offers that can't be done in a normal, intuitive way.
Dude what's your angle? Some people like to have a lot of control over their computers, some don't (you). Ignorance is indeed bliss for a lot of folks, and personally I'm all right with that, but do you think your half baked uninformed argument is gonna change those other guys minds? No. It isn't.
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On October 16 2010 07:17 niteReloaded wrote:
Some people pointed out the terminal as a plus side of linux.. :S
Well, before we used windows, we typed shit in DOS. I'm not going back to that, thanks. There's nothing that the terminal offers that can't be done in a normal, intuitive way.
DOS never had the raw power that a nice unix shell has. Things like inbuilt loops, conditional statements, and a nice set of command line utilities (gnu).
Intuitive? Try renaming all the files in a directory. Or, say, concatenating a bunch of text files. Not everything is as easy as click and drag.
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On October 16 2010 09:13 Lexpar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2010 07:17 niteReloaded wrote:
Some people pointed out the terminal as a plus side of linux.. :S
Well, before we used windows, we typed shit in DOS. I'm not going back to that, thanks. There's nothing that the terminal offers that can't be done in a normal, intuitive way. Dude what's your angle? Some people like to have a lot of control over their computers, some don't (you). Ignorance is indeed bliss for a lot of folks, and personally I'm all right with that, but do you think your half baked uninformed argument is gonna change those other guys minds? No. It isn't.
In what way do I not have control over my computer that actually makes a difference?
Meaning, I accept the fact that I don't control everything(neither do you), but let's just say that you do control more.. what's so important to care so much?
BTW to everyone else reacting to my terminal statement: I'm not saying everything that the terminal can do HAS BEEN DONE in a more intuitive way. I said "It could be done."
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Well, if you really hated the terminal, you could write your own program that does exactly the same thing. Unlike Windows where so much System functionalities and their inner workings are hidden from you, in Linux, its pretty much a man page away (Well, in theory anyway).
The issue of control is debatable but lets just settle on that Linux by its principles do offer you more control but you might want to have these controls. Its not for everyone and people need to realise this, Linux users included.
I do hope though that in time, a Linux distribution will mature to a point where it will do enough to at least equal that of Windows but I don't see it happen even with Ubuntu.
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On October 16 2010 20:29 niteReloaded wrote:
BTW to everyone else reacting to my terminal statement: I'm not saying everything that the terminal can do HAS BEEN DONE in a more intuitive way. I said "It could be done."
No, it couldn't. Other people already mentioned some of the examples but your reaction now shows just how ignorant you really are.
Just because something has a button, doesn't mean it's more useful or more intuitive.
Edit: Being forced to use the terminal for something mundane which could've been avoided is obviously bad. But it's a lot more powerful than that and having it at your disposal is a big advantage.
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I couldnt live with using linux cos videos turn out crap on it. Thats the only reason I dont use it for my normal needs. I dunno if its the rendering or something else it just looks poor compared to the same video played on MPC in windows.
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On October 15 2010 19:56 niteReloaded wrote:
Linux will never jeopardize Windows in a way Firefox and Chrome are doing with Internet Explorer.
Linux is still too weird and fucked.
I installed ubuntu netbook edition on my netbook and wasted a shitload of time getting my wireless drivers to work, and then with the next auto-update, they don't work again.
People who say Linux is nowadays as user-friendly and easy to use as Windows - are just plain wrong. You have no idea how frustrating it is to type weird shit you have no idea what the meaning of is in linux terminals, crossing your fingers it works like some ubergeek on the internet said it would.
If you need your computer for serious personal use i.e. you don't want the computer itself be the object of your attention, but rather what you reach thru the computer, DON'T USE LINUX.
Let's use the analogy of computer being your personal bodyguard. It has a function you want it to do.
Windows is a mature, well trained soldier who is independent of you and takes care of you. You sometimes forget it exists, coz you can lean on it.
Linux is a super-trained child assassin from the civil wars in Africa. It has higher hit percentages when it comes to shootings, it runs faster and climbs trees - all to better protect you. But this child is immature, has been neglected by its parents and is unprepared to live as a fully functional organism. It has episodes of angst where you end up bodyguarding it rather than the other way around.
And just sometimes, this child bodyguard shoots its own boss.
Thanks, but no thanks, Linux. How many years of experience do you have solving problems the windows way? and how many years of doing it the linux way? The linux way involves knowledge of bash scripting and commands, like it or not. If you have those, solving problems in linux is in fact a lot faster and more customizable to your needs(eg script everything instead of running through same old dialogs in windows)
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What happened to the idea of using both operating systems? I thought dual booting was suppose to solve the problem of what you want to use when you want to use it.
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maybe if you had some experience and/or done a bit more research this would have been easier on you
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Vatican City State1176 Posts
I used linux for some time and I was in general really happy wiht it, like doing basic stuff an such
but after like 4 or 5 month it really began to piss me off, mainly because I had to use programms, for which there was no real linux support, or if there was, it was shabby
it would run great for a week and then I had to solve a probelm with my pc for 2 hours or sth.
granted I am no computer expert, but I am not stupid and somhow familiar with computer stuff
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I despise Linux (Ubuntu), had to go through various courses in school where they use Ubuntu and it's a pile of crap. Getting stuff done in Windows is way more comfortable. A few years ago my parents bought a laptop which had Vista on it, Vista ran a bit sluggishly on that computer so I decided to install Ubuntu for them. 3 days later I rage uninstalled Ubuntu and put the good old Windows XP on that machine. I will never use that stuff again. It's the only Linux distribution I've used, so I can't say much about outher Linux related topics.
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On October 16 2010 20:29 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2010 09:13 Lexpar wrote:On October 16 2010 07:17 niteReloaded wrote:
Some people pointed out the terminal as a plus side of linux.. :S
Well, before we used windows, we typed shit in DOS. I'm not going back to that, thanks. There's nothing that the terminal offers that can't be done in a normal, intuitive way. Dude what's your angle? Some people like to have a lot of control over their computers, some don't (you). Ignorance is indeed bliss for a lot of folks, and personally I'm all right with that, but do you think your half baked uninformed argument is gonna change those other guys minds? No. It isn't. In what way do I not have control over my computer that actually makes a difference? Meaning, I accept the fact that I don't control everything(neither do you), but let's just say that you do control more.. what's so important to care so much? BTW to everyone else reacting to my terminal statement: I'm not saying everything that the terminal can do HAS BEEN DONE in a more intuitive way. I said "It could be done."
Just saying it could be done doesn't mean it can be done. It hasn't been done yet, so it is safe to assume that it isn't that easy to replace small shell scripts with a gui. Until it has been done, the console still wins..
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RMS would have a stroke O_o
If you want to switch to a new operating system you're going to have to learn it's idiosyncrasies. Linux is free if your time isn't worth anything.
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linux does a few things really well (scripting, customizing), and a few things really poorly (hi openoffice). by comparison windows does a lot of things moderately well. so my advice to people is usually that unless they're doing the things linux does well and not much else, they should be using something else.
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On October 16 2010 07:17 niteReloaded wrote:
Some people pointed out the terminal as a plus side of linux.. :S
Well, before we used windows, we typed shit in DOS. I'm not going back to that, thanks. There's nothing that the terminal offers that can't be done in a normal, intuitive way.
DoS is like a childs toy compared to a linux terminal. You can literally control everything from terminal.
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I don't like Android. I have been regretting switching from iPhone to Droid X.
My Android crashes 5/6 times a day, even if I TaskKill every now and then.
And it's a pain in the butt to even update any apps.
iPhone GUI was way more seamless. Restrictive in certain aspects, but seamless.
Anyways, my point is, if Android is Linux based, then I don't see it as a success like most people say in this thread.
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On October 18 2010 00:43 jacosajh wrote:
I don't like Android. I have been regretting switching from iPhone to Droid X.
My Android crashes 5/6 times a day, even if I TaskKill every now and then.
And it's a pain in the butt to even update any apps.
iPhone GUI was way more seamless. Restrictive in certain aspects, but seamless.
Anyways, my point is, if Android is Linux based, then I don't see it as a success like most people say in this thread.
apples and oranges? Actually comparing your phone with your pc.
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United States17042 Posts
once you figure out how to use both...then you find out that windows is still better at some stuff, but not all stuff. Which is kind of what you would expect with both operating systems on the market
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I hated Linux. Tons of things went wrong and needed fixes. Honestly, it wasn't hard to fix all my problems but it was annoying having to google a problem at least once a day. With Windows and Mac OS you rarely have to go into cmd or whatever to make your computer usable.
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On October 18 2010 12:04 madnessman wrote:
I hated Linux. Tons of things went wrong and needed fixes. Honestly, it wasn't hard to fix all my problems but it was annoying having to google a problem at least once a day. With Windows and Mac OS you rarely have to go into cmd or whatever to make your computer usable.
I really wonder how people are coming up with stories like this. I've never had a linux system break unless I did something I knew might cause it to break.
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On October 16 2010 20:29 niteReloaded wrote:
In what way do I not have control over my computer that actually makes a difference?
Meaning, I accept the fact that I don't control everything(neither do you), but let's just say that you do control more.. what's so important to care so much?
You can make the application match your needs not the other way round. If you'd dare to modify MS Windows you'd be called a pirate and would be sued for $400M.
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On October 18 2010 14:18 TossFloss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2010 12:04 madnessman wrote:
I hated Linux. Tons of things went wrong and needed fixes. Honestly, it wasn't hard to fix all my problems but it was annoying having to google a problem at least once a day. With Windows and Mac OS you rarely have to go into cmd or whatever to make your computer usable. I really wonder how people are coming up with stories like this. I've never had a linux system break unless I did something I knew might cause it to break.
Some fail to see the difference of breaking something and "something going wrong" under their own ignorance. You know, everyone is a "pro" at using a computer now a days.
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If you are a desktop user, windows rocks!!
But if you want to create an N-Node cluster which will act like a huge computer...you will eventually reach linux..there are not much options other than that..
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i used to dual boot vista and ubuntu, pretty much just used vista for gaming (and any programs i HAD to run that didnt work well in wine), and used ubuntu for everything else. Overall i found ubuntu to be alot more pleasant to use than vista, but i ended up uninstalling it because i use my computer to play games 99% of the time >.> If i could play games in ubuntu without dealing with wine, i would uninstall windows and just use ubuntu.
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United States47024 Posts
On October 18 2010 11:02 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
once you figure out how to use both...then you find out that windows is still better at some stuff, but not all stuff. Which is kind of what you would expect with both operating systems on the market
Exactly. They're good at doing different things. One isn't strictly better than the other, and which you prefer has entirely to do with your own needs. I will say this regard to several issues, though:
Drivers - Have you ever built your own system? I've found hunting down individual drivers for each component on Windows to be even more of a pain than on Linux, because basically all drivers are proprietary, whereas on Linux, default open-source drivers basically cover 90% of stuff for you. Regardless, I don't see spending an hour to figure out your wireless driver being that much different from needing to spend an hour hunting down drivers for your video card, sound card, wireless, Bluetooth, USB, etc., etc. even if installing each one is less of a pain.
Terminal - At this point, my general stance on buttons/icons vs. the terminal is basically like clicking on hotkeys in SC/SC2. Click when you don't know the terminal command, otherwise the terminal command is very often faster, particularly once you get into the habit.
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Linux is like pen and paper D&D, Windows is like Neverwinter Nights. Both are good in their own way, for different reasons.
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Now days linux is pretty userfriendly compared to 5 years ago, u dont need to do everything in terminal. but yeah, installing a driver under linux requires some luck and skill.
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