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Linux will never jeopardize Windows in a way Firefox and Chrome are doing with Internet Explorer.
Linux is still too weird and fucked.
I installed ubuntu netbook edition on my netbook and wasted a shitload of time getting my wireless drivers to work, and then with the next auto-update, they don't work again.
People who say Linux is nowadays as user-friendly and easy to use as Windows - are just plain wrong. You have no idea how frustrating it is to type weird shit you have no idea what the meaning of is in linux terminals, crossing your fingers it works like some ubergeek on the internet said it would.
If you need your computer for serious personal use i.e. you don't want the computer itself be the object of your attention, but rather what you reach thru the computer, DON'T USE LINUX.
Let's use the analogy of computer being your personal bodyguard. It has a function you want it to do.
Windows is a mature, well trained soldier who is independent of you and takes care of you. You sometimes forget it exists, coz you can lean on it.
Linux is a super-trained child assassin from the civil wars in Africa. It has higher hit percentages when it comes to shootings, it runs faster and climbs trees - all to better protect you. But this child is immature, has been neglected by its parents and is unprepared to live as a fully functional organism. It has episodes of angst where you end up bodyguarding it rather than the other way around.
And just sometimes, this child bodyguard shoots its own boss.
Thanks, but no thanks, Linux.
 
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I only use Linux when I download warez because it makes me feel more hardcore.
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I actually REALLY like using linux....
However, I do have to agree that before using linux one has to go through hell if one is not technologically-minded/Tech-savvy.
I got someone else to set it up for me, so I can enjoy the benefits without having to go through the pain XD
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Zurich15325 Posts
On October 15 2010 19:56 niteReloaded wrote:
Linux will never jeopardize Windows in a way Firefox and Chrome are doing with Internet Explorer.
Plain wrong.
Yes, Linux will not replace Windows on the desktop market. So what? Desktops are boring 2000 technology anyway.
How many Windows phones are still out there? How many Linux phones (Hint: Android is a Linux system)? Take all computing devices together and Linux is a massive thread to Windows.
Also since I switched my sister and my mom to Linux I get way way way less computer support calls. For people who have next to no clue and for people who actually have a clue about computer Linux is great. It's the big part of people in the middle who have some clue who are better served with Windows.
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Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
Can't agree more with you even though I am probably one of those geeks.
Linux is pretty good as a development environment - much more flexible - and as server software doing all kinds of stuff.
But when it comes to using it as a general-purpose desktop, even Ubuntu sucks. You never know when something will randomly stop working or your system will refuse to boot altogether.
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yeah there was a time when people read manuals.
as zatic said, if you dont only look at the desktop market, linux is the major player that windows is afraid of.
And if you dont want to invest some time to get to know your OS, why did you even consider using linux? Just stay with Windows if it works for you and you cant be bothered to get into another OS.
Windows isnt Linux, so dont expect it to work like Windows and RTFM :p
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The strength and flexibility linux offers the "ubergeek" as you put it far outweigh the little niggles for me, and I've been using it as my main desktop for about a decade now. I do agree with you wholeheartedly, or at least I did, before my girlfriend decided she was going to have ubuntu on her laptop with no experience whatsoever.
Yes, it's completely broken itself. Twice. She did manage to reinstall it once with my help and once without, and for almost a year since she's been using it without a hitch.
I don't think a single person represents the majority, but it has opened my mind a bit. It can be done, in other words.
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Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
On October 15 2010 20:26 zatic wrote:
Also since I switched my sister and my mom to Linux I get way way way less computer support calls. For people who have next to no clue and for people who actually have a clue about computer Linux is great. It's the big part of people in the middle who have some clue who are better served with Windows.
No offence, but it is very likely that you see it this way because you want to see it this way. I used to be a huge Linux enthusiast too and was seeing it the same way for a while.
Just for example, Ubuntu recently had this very nasty update bug, which resulted in an unbootable system. Even as someone with tech support experience I spent half a day recovering from that. Fuck ups like this are much less likely to happen on Windows in its current state.
Also, I don't see how the embedded devices argument is relevant. I think the OP was clearly referring to desktops in particular.
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I could easily be considered geek too, I'm the person my neighboorhood calls when they have comp problems. But it was still stressing to install the drivers.
On October 15 2010 20:26 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2010 19:56 niteReloaded wrote:
Linux will never jeopardize Windows in a way Firefox and Chrome are doing with Internet Explorer. Plain wrong. Yes, Linux will not replace Windows on the desktop market. So what? Desktops are boring 2000 technology anyway. How many Windows phones are still out there? How many Linux phones (Hint: Android is a Linux system)? Take all computing devices together and Linux is a massive thread to Windows. Also since I switched my sister and my mom to Linux I get way way way less computer support calls. For people who have next to no clue and for people who actually have a clue about computer Linux is great. It's the big part of people in the middle who have some clue who are better served with Windows.
I agree with that part, I was having desktops in mind.
btw, Android is done by Google, no wonder it's successfull. Apparently Google are the only people who know how to correctly approach building open source stuff.
On October 15 2010 20:34 LiminalMadness wrote:
yeah there was a time when people read manuals.
as zatic said, if you dont only look at the desktop market, linux is the major player that windows is afraid of.
And if you dont want to invest some time to get to know your OS, why did you even consider using linux? Just stay with Windows if it works for you and you cant be bothered to get into another OS.
Windows isnt Linux, so dont expect it to work like Windows and RTFM :p
I just like trying stuff out, but obviously this trip didn't end that well.
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Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
On October 15 2010 20:34 LiminalMadness wrote:
yeah there was a time when people read manuals.
This is true, but you shouldn't expect an average desktop user to know the ins and outs of the system just to be able to operate it.
Like you don't put the details of how the engine works in your car manual, because the car user should not be bothered with that. At most he should know how to change the engine oil and switch the wheels around.
That is unless he wants to be able to modify how the engine works, in which case Linux is just perfect 
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Fear the day HP turns out their own linux distribution
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Linux probably isn't suited to your needs. That isn't Linux' fault. Don't say the bike is broken because you have no leggs. It's generally for IT professionals, namely sysadmins and penetration testers, as well as developers. Linux has windows beat on a couple of areas, such as it's much less restrictive in nature. If you don't need any of Linux' 1-ups over windows, then stick with windows.
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On October 15 2010 20:46 niteReloaded wrote:I could easily be considered geek too, I'm the person my neighboorhood calls when they have comp problems. But it was still stressing to install the drivers. Show nested quote +On October 15 2010 20:26 zatic wrote:On October 15 2010 19:56 niteReloaded wrote:
Linux will never jeopardize Windows in a way Firefox and Chrome are doing with Internet Explorer. Plain wrong. Yes, Linux will not replace Windows on the desktop market. So what? Desktops are boring 2000 technology anyway. How many Windows phones are still out there? How many Linux phones (Hint: Android is a Linux system)? Take all computing devices together and Linux is a massive thread to Windows. Also since I switched my sister and my mom to Linux I get way way way less computer support calls. For people who have next to no clue and for people who actually have a clue about computer Linux is great. It's the big part of people in the middle who have some clue who are better served with Windows. I agree with that part, I was having desktops in mind. btw, Android is done by Google, no wonder it's successfull. Apparently Google are the only people who know how to correctly approach building open source stuff.
A major difference is that Google built Android and after that there were device makers who made a system that will run Android properly. Including good driver support. You mentioned wireless not working which is a major theme with Linux related problems, but Android won't suffer from such things. (For Linux on the desktop it's waiting for cooperation of hardware vendors)
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If you have no clue how to handle yourself around a computer, then yeah, stick with windows.
But a decent linux distro is so much more powerful, versatile and reliable if you actually know what you're doing.
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Actually started to build a Ubuntu Server yesterday. Without knowing anything about Linux. 4 hours spent on google trying to find out what the hell should I do. Will continue after I get home from work.
NEVER GIVE UP, NEVER SURRENDER!!!
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Except your mature bodyguard is hired by your father/employer/whoever. He does what he was told to, and doesn't give a shit about what you want. The kid however, is totally your own slave. Yes, it can go out of control if you have no skills whatsoever, but otherwise it does whatever you want.
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If you can't handle the simple task of keeping the correct drivers up to date why bother?
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I know I'll probably get a lot of flak for this, but I find OS X a really nice middle ground. I only use it on my laptop, but I love that I have the power of BSD/UNIX and bash while still having a really nice GUI and obviously no issues with drivers or anything like that. Plus TextMate is amazing, and I spend just as much time in Terminal as a Linux user probably would, just with much better font rendering and an awesome GUI. :>
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Guhhh. Target Ubuntu atleast don't take down the whole ship lol.
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Really the problem is you know how to use windows, and you don't know how to use linux. I had many of the same complaints until I became a more competent Linux user, but once you know what you are doing they are about the same.
My only complaint about linux is driver support is lacking and you can't play a lot of games on it, but it works great for my media server, better then windows would, unless we are talking about windows server 2003/2008 in which case I would still need to be learning a large amount of things that are unique to sever edition, just like I had to for linux
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