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Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
On October 15 2010 21:50 gillon wrote:
If you have no clue how to handle yourself around a computer, then yeah, stick with windows.
But a decent linux distro is so much more powerful, versatile and reliable if you actually know what you're doing.
That's just not true. If you know how to handle Windows properly, it can be just as powerful and reliable. Unfortunately, Linux is not some magic tool that will make you a wizard hacker and your life easy, it is just another OS with its own advantages and disadvantages.
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Sorry, but I couldn't help laughing at times while reading this. It's nice to know there are still people who think that way. It means there's still a lot to improve. Linux is community-driven, and far more able to suit the needs of the human being, in the end. It may take some more time until it reaches near perfection at that, of course. But one thing is sure, no top-down corporate OS can compete with it. Just compare the margin of improvement within the past decade. It's literally mind-blowing.
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Ubuntu is a superior OS for novice pc users in my eyes. Won't be a disease-ridden monstrosity after a month or two and is arguably more intuitive to use for someone unfamiliar with Windows.
Lack of 3rd party support is a shame and results in stumbling on some terminal hocus pocus to get stuff working sometimes. But you can hardly blame a lack of vendor support on Linux.
I'm curious if HTML5 will cause Microsoft to lose a chunk of its desktop market share at all. Web applications will become a lot more versatile and graphic applications (such as games) can be run in your browser without the need for a plug-in. While browsers likely won't have the horsepower to run a game like SC2, maybe increased use & development of WebGL/OpenGL will tempt more desktop developers into using OpenGL.
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Wait and see when chrome OS comes out. It could be a real competitor for windows in the netbook market.
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Thats pretty closed minded dude. You tried linux this one time for an hour and it didn't work? You've only proved that you have low patience and absurdly high expectations of technology. If you've ever tried to do anything with windows beyond the topmost crust of it's user friendliness you'll find a clusterfuck of contradictions and confusion. The crust isn't as thick in linux, but at least the filling tastes good.
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I love using Linux! It's harder to learn and much less user friendly, but once you learn it, it's much better than windows. I just have to open the terminal, type a command, and it does work. In windows, I have to go through a bunch of menus, open a bunch of windows, and then I can configure stuff.
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There are huge areas of improvement but unless you're looking for very specific things, Linux based systems can work like a charm. If you happen to be in need in of those things, you're unfotunately out of luck. However, this works the other way around just as well but as most people are completyely unfamiliar with Linux they won't notice and thus voice their dissatisfaction from a skewed perspective. In most cases lack of driver support is not even Linux's fault at all.
You're practically just condemning the whole damn thing out of spite over a bad experience.
Even so, I don't entirely disagree. I've always been a huge linux fan and in 2005 things really seemed to be looking up with ubuntu maturing into a reliable and easy to use Desktop OS. But since then, every release of a major distribution was more disappointing than the last. They sure learned to dress up nicer but under the hood it only got messier.
There was more effort put into ideological disputes and consequently wasted on replacing perfectly fine subsystems instead of the things that actually needed fixing or never existed in the first place.
In the end it's all a giant clusterfuck anyway. Windows, Linux, OSX and everything else alike. We only put up with it because it's the best we've got even though it's garbage.
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I have no idea how to use windows it is a completely alien system to me.
Linux always behaves in the way I expect it to.
Personal experience.
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On October 16 2010 00:19 figq wrote:
Linux is community-driven, and far more able to suit the needs of the human being, in the end. It may take some more time until it reaches near perfection at that, of course. But one thing is sure, no top-down corporate OS can compete with it. Just compare the margin of improvement within the past decade. It's literally mind-blowing.
Any evidence to back up your claims of why linux is superior?
On October 16 2010 01:25 Lexpar wrote:
Thats pretty closed minded dude. You tried linux this one time for an hour and it didn't work? You've only proved that you have low patience and absurdly high expectations of technology. If you've ever tried to do anything with windows beyond the topmost crust of it's user friendliness you'll find a clusterfuck of contradictions and confusion. The crust isn't as thick in linux, but at least the filling tastes good.
Yeah, 99% of the world have the same attitude as the OP. Linux won't take off as a OS unless everything can be done using buttons and menus. Most people aren't going to understand how to use terminal. Android is popular because people don't suffer from the same problems that plagues linux as a desktop OS.
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Almost everything can be done with buttons and menus with ubuntu right now, from partitioning disk to configuration of your display monitor. I don't think that linux is that far behind.
Ubuntu Netbook Remix right now still has a few trouble with hardware in some specific netbooks which you can totally find in their wiki page listing all the bug and how usable the OS is on a certain system. UNR works out of box for me with no problem at all.
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you are obviously not a cs major.
I don't see why you would bother
I only use linux for school and research
windows is for entertainment (sc2)
hehehe
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The only reason to use windows is that a lot of popular software (sc2) is written for windows.
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Linux still has many strong points.
Windows-based networks are still rather unstable. My computer account in my department recently broke because of some unknown Windows bug.
Just because one graphic driver did not work for you means NOTHING to the general population.
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Linux has, and always will be more difficult to master than windows. That is because they expect a certain level of knowledge for its use. For example, there are people who have been using windows for over a decade and have no idea was cmd.exe is. Whereas to use linux to a fraction of its potential you will be familiar with bash in a matter of weeks.
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On October 16 2010 02:16 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2010 01:25 Lexpar wrote:
Thats pretty closed minded dude. You tried linux this one time for an hour and it didn't work? You've only proved that you have low patience and absurdly high expectations of technology. If you've ever tried to do anything with windows beyond the topmost crust of it's user friendliness you'll find a clusterfuck of contradictions and confusion. The crust isn't as thick in linux, but at least the filling tastes good. Yeah, 99% of the world have the same attitude as the OP. Linux won't take off as a OS unless everything can be done using buttons and menus. Most people aren't going to understand how to use terminal. Android is popular because people don't suffer from the same problems that plagues linux as a desktop OS.
Using KDE on a distribution that comes with YaST will give you more options than you actually care for. On the other hand GNOME deliberately limits their config in order not to overwhelm the user.
In the end configuration is irrelevant either way. You expect Windows to work just as much as you would anything else.
What really stops Linux is lack of support. Vendors and otherwise. There are no applications because there is no considerable user base and deployment being a nightmare does not exactly help. How can you expect the masses to even consider Linux if the people who are most interested don't make the switch.
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I remember the first time I ever used Ubuntu i was looking for .exe files XD. But then i got used to the new environment. Sadly running games like SC:BW is a pain in the ass to set up and its not really stable.
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Linux is awesome if its for development/hosting any kind of server service, but yeah... there isn't any reason to install ubuntu over windows 7 for a home general use/gaming machine other than price.
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On October 16 2010 03:44 Wr3k wrote:
Linux is awesome if its for development/hosting any kind of server service, but yeah... there isn't any reason to install ubuntu over windows 7 for a home general use/gaming machine other than price.
I use Ubuntu for porn and other high risk browsing because I'm bad with computers. I guess there are ways to make Windows safe for that kind of stuff but it would take more than the 20 minutes it took to set up Ubuntu with Wubi.
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Linux is a much more specialized form of operating system - its not targeted for the average user.
Maybe one day it will be stream lined enough where the average person can easily operate it with little to no glitches, but I find that not as likely.
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Calgary26004 Posts
I know I've gotten old, because I no longer want full control of my computer. I want something I plug in and it guesses all my settings as best it can. I want 4 or 5 options, outside of which, it can control everything else.
I'm okay with this 
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